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Why is the daily UK MORTALITY still so high from Covid?

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I've been following the covid data on worldmeters for a while now. The UK infection rate has fallen quite dramatically, it's daily rate is now better than Spain and France. Per 100,000 it's actually doing very well, compared to many other countries in Europe. It also has very few people left in hospital, on ventilators, or in a seriously critical condition (doing much better than the rest of Europe).

 

Yet it's death rate continues to be so high.

 

So if you look at a few days ago, the rest of Europe had the odd death from Covid. Most countries had none - France, Italy, Germany had 0 deaths. Spain had 2. Yet the UK posted 120.

 

Back at the peak the UK was having some thousand daily deaths, but it's dropped down now. But it's still averaging over 500 a week, and it doesn't seem to drop. We get days where over 100 are dying. How is this possible?

 

Now people say the UK reporting is skewed. But is it? Why would a government want to increase it's numbers? It doesn't make sense.

 

The deaths in hospitals are also very low. Infact if you isolate that 120 number, only 15 died in hospitals. So where are the other 105 dying? With hospitals now freed up, why are people not dying in hospitals?

 

There is obviously the care home issue, but once again why aren't the people in care homes who are ill being taken to hospital?  Also it still doesn't explain then why Spain or Italy aren't seeing the same numbers, as they have a more elderly population than the UK.

 

The UK also has the highest excess death rates in Europe, before anyone says the numbers are an inflated conspiracy.

 

Does anyone know whats going on? Why are other countries seemingly on top of this but the UK is still struggling with mortality?

 

 

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by that graph we can conclude that none of the policies has any effect,

since sweden has none of the policies.,

i think the reason is the rest of the world cancelled sending infected to

nursing homes except england.

the death toll is almost entirely in advanced retiree age

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Perhaps the UK Hospital ICU system is  still so stressed treating the large number of best potential survivors and leaving out those with low potential ? There  is always a lag  between spikes of infection and the later eventual percentage who succumb.

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- Incompetence at the political level (failure of leadership and clear messaging over time);

 

- Incompetent society unable to organize itself to look after the poor & the aged (Who cares about old people? they're all poor anyway).

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18 minutes ago, scammed said:

by that graph we can conclude that none of the policies has any effect,

since sweden has none of the policies.,

i think the reason is the rest of the world cancelled sending infected to

nursing homes except england.

the death toll is almost entirely in advanced retiree age

You can't conclude anything from data covering only a single day.

 

Also, the death toll isn't "almost entirely in advanced retiree age." As of May, in New York for example, over 25% of total coronavirus deaths were in people under 65 and worldwide, the proportion of deaths in younger people keeps increasing. 

 

 

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Posted (edited)

Incompetence - Weakness - Bad Control - UK Today

That´s like the hard truth! It will also work as page title regarding SEO for United Kingdom in about 2 years.

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33 minutes ago, bellboy said:

The lazy reaction is blame boris and his cronies !

The truth is .. The people are not following social distancing . large crowds gather. People hugging each other when they meet . 

The bias uk media  has its own agenda. If it woud stick to reporting facts on what is happening . instead of its opinion . People might take cronoviris more seriously .

Agreed, too many younger brits see the virus hardly affects their age groups so it’s a summer of parties, raves, demos, riots (to come), etc.

 

Probably one of the reasons lockdowns weren’t introduced earlier was that the public wouldn’t accept it, just like they don’t accept it now.

 

Some footballers are still kissing each other after scoring too. 😆

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i just read a protest against masks and common sense in berlin just drew 15,000 people,  so don't count out Germany and other countries catching up to the US and UK stupidity levels.

 

i'm joking of course, no one will ever beat the USA for stupidity, USA #1!!!!  

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Does anyone have a breakdown in which settings UK mortality is occuring? Hospital deaths are very low now, most often in single figures. Yet the final figure at the end of each day is sometimes over 100. 

 

What i see an obvious different from UK care to asian care, is that when you are ill in asia you tend to go hospital straight away, get on treatment, oxygen, and most often or not you tend to recover quickly and are released quickly.

 

In the UK you are told to wait, stay at home, till you become serious. This often means you get to the point when people turn up to hospital they are in a serious condition, and often end up staying longer and longer, rather than if they just turned up straight away and got treatment. 

 

But UK hospital rates are now very low. So i really want to know what the hell is going on. It's not as simple as saying 'these are just cases of someone getting covid, and then getting him by a bus and recording death as covid'. I find this implausable, and the figure would be miniscule. 

 

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I don't trust the way the government measures C19 deaths in the UK or any other country for that matter.  Feels like I'm being fed randomly inflated numbers to justify 4.5 months of lockdown.  

 

If the figures are to be believed then it's the aged and infirm that are most at risk.  

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12 hours ago, Arjy2000k said:

Why would a government want to increase it's numbers? It doesn't make sense.

Lets not confuse the organisations who work out and provide the figures with the government, they are very different things.

 

In fact they are polar opposites, the people who run branches of government organisations often hate and actively work against the government and its policies. A kind of political sabotage.

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10 hours ago, bellboy said:

The lazy reaction is blame boris and his cronies !

The truth is .. The people are not following social distancing . large crowds gather. People hugging each other when they meet . 

The bias uk media  has its own agenda. If it woud stick to reporting facts on what is happening . instead of its opinion . People might take cronoviris more seriously .

I think the point the OP is raising is that the UK death rate is so high. What you describe here would result in a high infection rate. The UK has a low infection rate, but still has a high death rate. 

 

I have heard certain commentators in the UK saying that our hospital care is poor compared to other European countries, such as Germany. I hear countless stories about incompetence and negligence in UK hospitals leading to unnecessary complications and sometimes unnecessary deaths. I have personal experience of this. 

 

But it's not popular to suggest our brave NHS workers are not all selfless saints. 

 

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15 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The UK has a low infection rate, but still has a high death rate. 

We can't possibly know if the UK has a low infection rate as testing is low and the reliability of testing is low. I know I had C19 back in March and quite certain the infection rate in the UK is high.  

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