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Why is the daily UK MORTALITY still so high from Covid?

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1 hour ago, daveAustin said:

The main reason UK's rate is so high (there were 5 today btw) is because whoever caught it has a three-month window to die from it. Meaning, if you contracted COVID19, recovered and then died 10 weeks later from stubbing your toe in the bathroom and banging your head, you are registered as dying from coronavirus/C19. This is unheard of in other countries AFAIA. Also, many cases were mixed up with the flu. Numbers are more likely in the 20k region, which is still high of course, but given the aged state of the nation and London being the global hub, isn't so bad.

If you have a source for the the counting of people dying in the 10 week period, please post it.  

 

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2 hours ago, daveAustin said:

The main reason UK's rate is so high (there were 5 today btw) is because whoever caught it has a three-month window to die from it. Meaning, if you contracted COVID19, recovered and then died 10 weeks later from stubbing your toe in the bathroom and banging your head, you are registered as dying from coronavirus/C19. This is unheard of in other countries AFAIA. Also, many cases were mixed up with the flu. Numbers are more likely in the 20k region, which is still high of course, but given the aged state of the nation and London being the global hub, isn't so bad.

 

Source for this? I keep hearing by conspiracy theorist on twitter, that you can get Covid, recover, die from a accident, and it will go down as Covid death. But i can't honestly believe this. There maybe some cases where covid might have been a secondary reason for death.

 

But the EXCESS DEATH levels (average number of deaths over the past 5 years over this period) in the UK are worst than even the covid numbers. Infact the UK excess deaths from January to August are the worst in Europe.

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41 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Correct, other countries have a 28 day limit, but in the UK we count after 28 days to be included in the death totals. Hancock says the NHS are looking into the figures and will be revised at some point.

 

Friday's death figures were 120, 14 died in hospital and 106 from care homes or at home, 119 had multiple underlying conditions, aged between 73 to 92. The thing that puzzles me is why those who died at home or care deaths were not admitted to hospital if they covid-19 was that bad. This is why the figures are suspect in the UK and until an investigation is held some people are skeptical about the true mortality in the UK for covid-19 including me.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/02/uk-covid-19-excess-deaths

 

I agree on your point - that if people in care homes (or there own homes) are so ill that they are close to death, why aren't they being transported to hospitals to attempt treatment? In what condition are they dying without even bothering to go to a hospital? It doesn't make sense to me. The media barely mention it.

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9 minutes ago, Arjy2000k said:

 

I agree on your point - that if people in care homes (or there own homes) are so ill that they are close to death, why aren't they being transported to hospitals to attempt treatment? In what condition are they dying without even bothering to go to a hospital? It doesn't make sense to me. The media barely mention it.

Correct they don't mention it, but plenty of comments in online papers do here in the UK. Ever since they added care homes and home deaths to the totals I have questioned what the true figures are. The clue is the multiple underlying conditions that they have and they had covid-19 but recovered but died of one of their conditions.

 

There is an interesting PDF that I found on a UK government website that mentions that people need to scared of covid-19 to adhere to social distancing measures, so I guess the figures are inflated for that purpose.

 

Check out this article and there is a link to the gov.uk site where you can download the PDF. https://evidencenotfear.com/how-sage-and-uk-media-created-fear-in-the-british-public/

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4 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Correct they don't mention it, but plenty of comments in online papers do here in the UK. Ever since they added care homes and home deaths to the totals I have questioned what the true figures are. The clue is the multiple underlying conditions that they have and they had covid-19 but recovered but died of one of their conditions.

 

There is an interesting PDF that I found on a UK government website that mentions that people need to scared of covid-19 to adhere to social distancing measures, so I guess the figures are inflated for that purpose.

 

Check out this article and there is a link to the gov.uk site where you can download the PDF. https://evidencenotfear.com/how-sage-and-uk-media-created-fear-in-the-british-public/?fbclid=IwAR2z-VP2MDcVw5igiBBJXSn0s_gQDvD8v3mqQ1wf0hznivJsGiH1ImyNQsc

 

Interesting read.

 

I can firmly agree there may have been reasons for the government in the initial stages to scare/shock people to stay at home. But now with the virus in low numbers, the economy on it's knees - the same govermnemt are urging people to get back to work, start spending, save the high street, etc. - the numbers of deaths reported are still very high.

 

What incentive would a government have to make the figures worst now ... it's essentially scaring the population, hurting investment, and makes the government look incompetent. Surely most governments would want to laud their achievements how they've tackled the virus and got on top of it. For these reasons alone i don't buy that the government (or PHE) are inflating the figures.

 

Matt Hancock said two weeks ago he was going to look into the figures. Yet here we are, two weeks later, still reporting some 100 plus deaths in a day sometimes.

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16 hours ago, mfd101 said:

 

- Incompetent society unable to organize itself to look after the poor & the aged (Who cares about old people? they're all poor anyway).

A whistleblower has claimed elderly Covid-19 patients are being sent to care homes 'to die' as part of a longstanding culture of freeing up hospital beds. 

The source, whose work means they have close connections with care homes in the UK, alleged that people are currently being discharged from hospital before their coronavirus test results are known.

As a result, patients risk missing out on crucial treatment - contributing to the care home sector's soaring death toll.

 

link

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8274403/Whistleblower-claims-elderly-Covid-19-patients-sent-die-care-homes.html

 

Black heart.

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48 minutes ago, Yinn said:

A whistleblower has claimed elderly Covid-19 patients are being sent to care homes 'to die' as part of a longstanding culture of freeing up hospital beds. 

The source, whose work means they have close connections with care homes in the UK, alleged that people are currently being discharged from hospital before their coronavirus test results are known.

As a result, patients risk missing out on crucial treatment - contributing to the care home sector's soaring death toll.

 

link

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8274403/Whistleblower-claims-elderly-Covid-19-patients-sent-die-care-homes.html

 

Black heart.

 

At the start of the crisis, the government witnessed scenes in Italy with patients lying in corridors, and were worried that was coming to the UK. Their fatal error was they discharged masses of patients in hospitals that weren't in life threatening conditions, to free up hospital space. Alot of those discharged were elderly back into care homes without being tested. It was a horrific error. Then compounded further that there was no lockdowns or safety protocols for elderly homes till it was far too late.

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Could the High Mortality rate be linked to diet ?

 

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10 minutes ago, Arjy2000k said:

 

At the start of the crisis, the government witnessed scenes in Italy with patients lying in corridors, and were worried that was coming to the UK. Their fatal error was they discharged masses of patients in hospitals that weren't in life threatening conditions, to free up hospital space. Alot of those discharged were elderly back into care homes without being tested. It was a horrific error. Then compounded further that there was no lockdowns or safety protocols for elderly homes till it was far too late.

Terrible. Family not care them. 

“Care homes” not care same.

 

RIP

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1 minute ago, Yinn said:

Look like my dog do it. 

I was just looking at that photo and thinking how tasty that food looked .

I've changed my mind now 

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5 hours ago, Arjy2000k said:

 

This is wrong.

 

The UK has one of the highest testing rates in the world. It has the highest testing rates in Europe, double the number of tests Germany have carried out (which is second).

 

It also has mobile testing, taking testing into hot spots (eg Leicester).

 

As someone posted, it's not about the rate of infection (which has dropped in the UK to a low point), but rather why the death figure remains very high.

 

 

I find the comments about the high death rates confusing. I am not sure whether that is in absolute terms or relative to other countries. 

 

 

Certainly the daily death numbers have dropped. I own a crematorium in the UK and we have seen numbers drop from a 4 week peak of 60 cremations per week to 33 bookings this week and only 24 next week. The latter number is lower than 'normal' for this time of year. I accept that my numbers may not exactly mirror national figures but apart from local hotspots I would imagine they are fairly representative.

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