Popular Post abonsa Posted August 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2020 Hi, it seems that many people do not understand that not having any official COVID cases in Thailand doesn't mean that there is no virus ? I had this problem with a restaurant owner, who looked at me as an idiot when I asked some gel to clean my hands. As most people who will have the virus will never know it, how can someone be stupid enough to think that there is no virus in Thailand ? Tell me if I am wrong, but you should explain well. Anyway, is it mandatory for restaurants to offer gel and temperature check ? Thank you. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yinn Posted August 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2020 Thousands tests. ALL negative. Long time now. 14 days x 2 already. Only positive people from other countrys. Ranong province no infection, no deaths. Every test is negative. Where you from? 4 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Why Me Posted August 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, abonsa said: As most people who will have the virus will never know it, how can someone be stupid enough to think that there is no virus in Thailand ? Tell me if I am wrong, but you should explain well. You are wrong with likelihood 99.99%. Here's why: You are right about the preponderance of asymptomatic cases. However, Thailand has had no detectable case in the past 2 months. Which would require the silent spread of the virus in that time from one case to another, without a single one showing perceptible symptoms. Keep in mind that the virus has an incubation period of 14 days give or take so those infected within the first 45 days of those 2 month, being 75%, would have to be "quietly sick". So, it's safe to conclude that Thailand is virus-free. Which begets the question why the 'ell are we still masking (yes, I am looking at your pretty woman) and distancing and temp checking. Edited August 2, 2020 by Why Me 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted August 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) I agree with the O.P. Given the small numbers of testing here and obviously people with no or mild symptoms would not normally even seek testing if they could get it, the chance of there actually being ZERO cases in Thailand in the resident population is ZERO. That's the reason to keep masking and other measures. It is low. Let's keep it that way! One case can become millions without the proper measures as we see in the USA. Until the pandemic is under control globally Thailand isn't out of the woods. How long? Depends of course. Perhaps two years. Edited August 2, 2020 by Jingthing 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post geriatrickid Posted August 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) It is all about timing. Thailand's point in the timeline is different than what we see elsewhere, and it will most likely see a spike in cases. Whether or not they are reported is a different issue. Thailand has a characteristic that is common to "Monsoon" countries. When rainy season starts, there is a spike in Dengue and Malaria. They present with similar symptoms to Covid19, especially with the fevers and aches and pains. IMO, it is not unreasonable to expect that a significant number of COVID cases will be attributed to illnesses common during rainy season. This would be more likely to occur in the rural and impoverished regions which have limited access to health care and laboratory facilities. This then brings us to the issue of testing. Thailand has not been widely testing for Covid19. With only 8600 tests per million, it has not obtained a large nor a diverse sampling of the population. Some might say, Taiwan only tests 3,300 per million and has the infection controlled. Well, the difference is that Taiwan has strict contact tracing, strict patient isolation, and strict surveillance and a population that has been supportive and compliant with the guidelines. because of Covid19, Thailand uses two types of diagnostic tests; A. PCR - if verified and certified, and with specimens collected and tested by qualified personnel then the test results are 99% reliable. B. Antibody testing - Not considered reliable. Thailand finally secured a local supply chain for its own test kit supplies as of July 10 through of Siam Bioscience. IMO until march/April there wasn't a consistent method of testing or standardized test kit approach. This isn't a problem specific to Thailand, as other countries also received unreliable/ defective testing supplies from China. Often the swabs were not appropriate. At the start of the crisis, there were many testing kits and supplies which entered the market which had not been certified. If the USA wasn't testing the kits, it is no surprise that Thailand was not either. This is why some countries like Australia and Canada had lagged in their testing, as they were ensuring that the testing supplies and kits were reliable before allowing their use. I believe that Thailand has the PCR testing reliability addressed, but it needs to start testing more people. It should be testing blood supplies for Covid19 if it is not already doing so. I do not have confidence in Thailand's data YTD. I am not alone in that view as no country is acknowledging Thailand's unique results as marvelous. When I read foolish gloating like this, I can only shake my head with sadness. No Thailand isn't as good as the reports. Thailand would be a special case, and unique if it was. Unique because it would be the only country on the planet without a disease reservoir. No dear, the results are a direct result of the minimal testing and the lack of testing in the rural and poorly served regions of the country. 1 hour ago, Yinn said: Thousands tests. ALL negative. Long time now. 14 days x 2 already. Only positive people from other countrys. Ranong province no infection, no deaths. Every test is negative. Where you from? My comments do not take away from the fact that Thailand has done well. A large part is to a culture that accepted the concept of social distancing, masking and that respected the medical advice. Population density in some cities may be high, but Thais like the Japanese know how to give people personal space. These low tech/low cost measures were a major factor in slowing the spread of infection. Much of the credit goes to the Thai people themselves for not being stupid and selfish as we have seen elsewhere. Edited August 2, 2020 by geriatrickid 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yinn Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 7 hours ago, geriatrickid said: Much of the credit goes to the Thai people themselves for not being stupid and selfish as we have seen elsewhere. Is amazing how stupid/selfish/difficult some people are. I hate them. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8562525/Coronavirus-anti-maskers-gather-Melbourne-gym-discuss-manifesto-Bunnings-Karen.html We testing thousands. Is all negative. If positive we test more people. Have you had a test? Why not? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mama Noodle Posted August 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 3, 2020 18 minutes ago, Yinn said: Have you had a test? Why not? Because Thailand charges foreigners several hundred dollars for the privilage. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yinn Posted August 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said: Because Thailand charges foreigners several hundred dollars for the privilage. You need thai people pay for you test? 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mama Noodle Posted August 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Yinn said: You need thai people pay for you test? Nope, I don’t need anything from a thai person. But FYI in my country you’d get as many free tests as you can line up for regardless of skin color or immigration status, that I would have to foot the bill for, and if you got sick you’d be taken care of and eventually I’d have to foot the bill for that too because it’s illegal to turn people away from the hospital, even if they can’t pay. Edit: I wonder if Yinn realizes how much of a republican she is? Edited August 3, 2020 by Mama Noodle 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yinn Posted August 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said: Nope, I don’t need anything from a thai person. But FYI in my country you’d get as many free tests as you can line up for regardless of skin color or immigration status FYI Your country not successful control covid. No UK in Thailand die covid. FYI More thai die outside Thailand. eg, http://udon-news.com/en/news/thai-youtuber-who-records-life-overseas-dies-of-coronavirus-in-uk 5 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said: Edit: I wonder if Yinn realizes how much of a republican she is? FYI Not republican. FYI if you the lefty snowflake want government do everything for you= thailand not good place for you. FYI if you hard right guy you will be lonely in thailand. Not have thai supremacist gang. FYI Thailand is sensible people. Help together. = https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/thailand-ranks-1-for-handling-covid-19-crisis 3 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post englishoak Posted August 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 3, 2020 Thailand operates in a parallel universe, thats why. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhuh Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, geriatrickid said: No Thailand isn't as good as the reports. Thailand would be a special case, and unique if it was. Unique because it would be the only country on the planet without a disease reservoir. You mentioned Taiwan (24m people), which doesn't seem to have a disease reservoir. Same for New Zealand AFAIK, and Mauritius and quite a few of small islands and territories. Vietnam is bigger (95m) and most probably didn't have a disease reservoir for quite a while, the current outbreak has probably been imported. That can happen if you have hard to control land borders, and that may happen to Thailand, too. And of course western countries can never acknowledge that a developing country from Asia handled things better than the British Empire or God's own country. Edited August 3, 2020 by uhuh 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samtab Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 On 8/2/2020 at 10:15 PM, Jingthing said: I agree with the O.P. Given the small numbers of testing here and obviously people with no or mild symptoms would not normally even seek testing if they could get it, the chance of there actually being ZERO cases in Thailand in the resident population is ZERO. That's the reason to keep masking and other measures. It is low. Let's keep it that way! One case can become millions without the proper measures as we see in the USA. Until the pandemic is under control globally Thailand isn't out of the woods. How long? Depends of course. Perhaps two years. Clearly the only smart way to think, but it seems difficult for many around here... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmarshall Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Fortunately, I don't have to decide whether that are covert carriers in Thailand or not. All I have to decide is whether to wear my mask, wash my hands as often as possible, and stay home. I do all three. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scammed Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 the t cell study is the only theory worth its salt https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200716-the-people-with-hidden-protection-from-covid-19?xtor=ES-213-[BBC Features Newsletter]-2020July24-[Future|+Button] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scoupeo Posted August 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 4, 2020 On 8/2/2020 at 9:44 PM, Yinn said: Thousands tests. ALL negative. Long time now. 14 days x 2 already. Only positive people from other countrys. Ranong province no infection, no deaths. Every test is negative. Where you from? Don't you feel ridiculous ? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama Noodle Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 On 8/3/2020 at 7:52 AM, Yinn said: FYI Not republican. Yin's nationalism puts Trump to shame, yet this board voted her poster of the year lmaoooooo The irony is almost to much to stand its so funny. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorpusChristie Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said: Yin's nationalism puts Trump to shame, yet this board voted her poster of the year lmaoooooo The irony is almost to much to stand its so funny. Are you a lefty ? Not accepting the democratic vote again ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaleySabai Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 On 8/3/2020 at 7:37 AM, Mama Noodle said: Nope, I don’t need anything from a thai person. But FYI in my country you’d get as many free tests as you can line up for regardless of skin color or immigration status, that I would have to foot the bill for, and if you got sick you’d be taken care of and eventually I’d have to foot the bill for that too because it’s illegal to turn people away from the hospital, even if they can’t pay. Edit: I wonder if Yinn realizes how much of a republican she is? Clue of not being an American. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama Noodle Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, HaleySabai said: Clue of not being an American. You can not turn people away from the hospital in the USA if they need serious care. Thailand WILL turn you away no matter what kind of care you need, if you cant pay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pilotman Posted August 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 4, 2020 If a person has the virus, but no symptoms, why does it matter to them? We carry millions of viruses and bacteria in our bodies as a matter of normal living, some are even essential for good health. If they don't interfere, why bother yourself about them? There is way too much suspicion and even hysteria when it comes to debates about Thailand's Covid numbers and response. Chill people. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sungod Posted August 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 4, 2020 To think its not here is naive, however a largely compliant public and reasonable healthcare system has so far kept it under check. Myanmar basically adopts the same testing regime as Thailand centered on returnees. Every week there are a handful of imported cases from yes, you guessed it, Thailand! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Logosone Posted August 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 4, 2020 On 8/2/2020 at 9:44 PM, Yinn said: Thousands tests. ALL negative. Long time now. 14 days x 2 already. Only positive people from other countrys. Ranong province no infection, no deaths. Every test is negative. Where you from? China suspends air routes from Thailand after positive covid tests https://www.thaienquirer.com/15661/china-suspends-air-routes-from-thailand-after-positive-covid-tests-airlines-say-no-passengers-disembarked-in-thailand/ Testing in Thailand has of course been on a mickey mouse scale, 99% of Thais remain untested. If every test is negative that would raise the question why China has closed air routes from Thailand after passengers tested positive. Just curious. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post steelepulse Posted August 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 4, 2020 I came across this question a number of months ago and it still holds true today. Q What do they call a person with no symptoms? A A healthy person. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Logosone Posted August 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 4, 2020 Quote Hi, it seems that many people do not understand that not having any official COVID cases in Thailand doesn't mean that there is no virus ? I had this problem with a restaurant owner, who looked at me as an idiot when I asked some gel to clean my hands. As most people who will have the virus will never know it, how can someone be stupid enough to think that there is no virus in Thailand ? Tell me if I am wrong, but you should explain well. You are of course right that Thailand has the virus and its figures are of use to Disney animation at best. If you are that concerned, however, why not wear silk gloves to protect yourself? And no, it is not mandatory for restaurants to offer gel. This is Thailand, nothing is mandatory except not testing for real Covid 19 figures. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jak2002003 Posted August 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 4, 2020 Maybe it's illegal to give a positive result for covid test from within the country....people might loose face after all. Nothing would surprise me in the world today. 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Logosone Posted August 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, jak2002003 said: Maybe it's illegal to give a positive result for covid test from within the country....people might loose face after all. Nothing would surprise me in the world today. Yah, it may be, witness Yinn claiming all positive tests were from outsiders, never Thais. It's funny. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abonsa Posted August 4, 2020 Author Share Posted August 4, 2020 so the virus is clearly here and only idiots think that it is not, how possible that some foreigners are so stupid ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhuh Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 3 hours ago, sungod said: To think its not here is naive, however a largely compliant public and reasonable healthcare system has so far kept it under check. Myanmar basically adopts the same testing regime as Thailand centered on returnees. Every week there are a handful of imported cases from yes, you guessed it, Thailand! How do you know about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CorpusChristie Posted August 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, abonsa said: so the virus is clearly here and only idiots think that it is not, how possible that some foreigners are so stupid ? What is that based on ? I think that the virus isnt here , you think that I am stupid . Why do you think that the virus is here ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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