webfact Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Home Office drops 'racist' algorithm from visa decisions @Reuters The Home Office has agreed to stop using a computer algorithm to help decide visa applications after allegations that it contained "entrenched racism". The Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants (JCWI) and digital rights group Foxglove launched a legal challenge against the system. Foxglove characterised it as "speedy boarding for white people". The Home Office, however, said it did not accept that description. Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53650758 -- © Copyright BBC 2020-08-07 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfill Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Doesn't matter if they don't accept the description. Is it true? Yes or no. Quite difficult options for the incumbents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rupert the bear Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 about time too.get rid of VFS smug racist scum bags they are,even better the schengen crew could adopt a none racist attitude as well but that might be asking too much.its shameful there should be some type of public enquiry into the whole procedure but brussels doesnt do that at least londons taken a step forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muhendis Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 42 minutes ago, mrfill said: Doesn't matter if they don't accept the description. Is it true? Yes or no. Quite difficult options for the incumbents. The fact that the "algorithm" has been dropped makes the description ("speedy boarding for white people") true. The home office won't accept the description because they are sensitive to being blamed for anything and everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusticeGB Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Married 16 years to a Thai wife with a 15 year old daughter. Just enough money to meet the minimum requirements but impossible to get a Visa for my wife. Don't need a Visa for my daughter as she has both a UK and a Thai passport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelseafan Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Muhendis said: The fact that the "algorithm" has been dropped makes the description ("speedy boarding for white people") true. No it doesn't. It says "The controversy centred over an applicant's nationality being used as a part of the automatic system", not race, colour or creed. If the system has a bias of white tourists over black tourists from South Africa for example then I would consider it racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldgit Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Unhelpful troll post removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldgit Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 17 minutes ago, JusticeGB said: Married 16 years to a Thai wife with a 15 year old daughter. Just enough money to meet the minimum requirements but impossible to get a Visa for my wife. Don't need a Visa for my daughter as she has both a UK and a Thai passport. What sort of visa was your wife applying for, you mention minimum requirements, I assume you mean financial requirements, a Settlement Visa is they only class they apply? Just enough money is sufficient, did she meet the other requirements, language and tb tests and accommodation, if so why was she refused? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logosone Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 I've never experienced any racism when entering the UK. Nor would I say boarding has been more speedy in the UK. I have had unpleasant immigration experiences in Cuba, Jamaica and the US though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Logosone said: I've never experienced any racism when entering the UK. Nor would I say boarding has been more speedy in the UK. I have had unpleasant immigration experiences in Cuba, Jamaica and the US though. I did, Came back from holiday in the USA where I'd been ski-ing with a black pal (around 1995 Gatwick). We came through immigration OK, then a guy followed us and started questioning my pal. I had to intervene and tell him to f$%# off and leave my pal alone. Showed him my ID card from a major Media corporation, and he walked away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 That's VFS? Never had any trouble with them, got few Schengen visas and an Oz visa for wife (one of them wasn't VFS if I remember correctly?), but have to say their premises in BKK are pretty nasty when compared to embassies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 On 8/7/2020 at 1:47 AM, rupert the bear said: about time too.get rid of VFS smug racist scum bags they are,even better the schengen crew could adopt a none racist attitude as well but that might be asking too much.its shameful there should be some type of public enquiry into the whole procedure but brussels doesnt do that at least londons taken a step forward This is an accusation levelled at UK Visas and Immigration, which is an executive agency of the Home Office. VFS are an agency who collect applications and fees on behalf of UKVI and forward same to UKVI decision makers. VFS play no part in the decision making process. If you have cause for complain about VFS, their service or staff members you should first address that complaint to the manager of the particular office. The UK is not, and never has been, in the Schengen area so whoever you mean by "the Schengen crew" they have nothing to do with this subject. Neither does Brussels; this is a UK government matter, nothing to do with the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony M Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Well, here it is, published today. The amazing, new, non-algorithmic guidance to decision-makers. For some reason, the Home Office has redacted some of the contents. Now, why would they do that ? interim-workflow-routing-visitor-student-odw-v1.0.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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