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Trump to try going it alone on coronavirus aid after talks with Congress break down

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What a shame. A gigantic stimulus package would have sent the S&P sky high and the dollar would have fallen driving Gold to record highs.

 

It would have been so easy to make money in the markets then.

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2 hours ago, shdmn said:

It is what it is.

Starting to look like the housing market crisis and the dot.com bubble burst negotiations. The Whitehouse and fed will have to stuff it down the houses throat again.

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3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

The global pandemic has taken a particularly heavy toll on the United States, where it has killed more than 160,000 people and thrown tens of millions out of work.

just to be clear, the virus didnt threw tens of millions out of work,

elected governments around the world did that part

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2 hours ago, shdmn said:

It is what it is.

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9 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Not up to him really. Each person has there own morale responsibility but want to blame someone else for there woes and selfishness. But that's my fellow Americans, well a few at least.

That's an anarchistic attitude 

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11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

That's an anarchistic attitude 

Wow, really?. So the excuses that my dad did not tell me or my mother never warned me what could happen and so its there fault and the governments fault I have covid. Not buying it for even one second. Personal responsibility is key.

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The stupidity of the overspending of certain Governors has, in the main, caused this problem. Typically both the Democrats and Republicans add their own extras into a bill and refuse to budge if those extras are not in the bill. It is stupid to pay unemployment benefits of US$600 a week as that is more money than many of the unemployed would get if they returned to work. The Democrats are sticking to this us$600 and asking for bail outs of various Governors who have overspend in the past years. Some new Green Deal rubbish has been added into the covid19 bill.

 

No wonder they won't agree. They will blame Trump to score points in the upcoming election. Dam the poor people out of work this is no more than political infighting!

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8 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I can agree with you if he is just a normal citizen like you and me. He is the President, head of state and commander in Chief that has power different from you and me to implement and legislate policies and duty bound by the constitution to defend and keep the country safe. With the pandemic spiking and his attitude has not changed; the blame will fall on him. 

I could agree if there were not others in congress on both sides whose problems are bigger apparently than those of the average citizen and continue to muck it all up as well as the man in the Whitehouse, this is where personal responsibility comes in.

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47 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Wow, really?. So the excuses that my dad did not tell me or my mother never warned me what could happen and so its there fault and the governments fault I have covid. Not buying it for even one second. Personal responsibility is key.

We all have our personal responsibilities, but general care of the population is in hands of the government. And Trump has failed there.

 

Your statement 'its there fault and the governments fault I have covid.' is based on nothing, and the reasoning that it is all up to oneself is an anarchist attitude.

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"Trump has managed to sidestep Congress on spending before."

First with regard to diverting Congessionally approved budget from Defense to build the border wall, the USSC decision was only a temporary decision and did not decide the case. The administration must file a formal appeal seeking review of the ruling, maybe next year. However, meanwhile use of those funds can continue until final ruling.

Second, the USSC said that lawmakers and ordinary citizens do not have standing to sue to challenge unconstitutional spending. So who or what qualifies?

The budget law was limited in that Congress had to specifically authorize lawsuits over military spending, so no one may go to court to challenge an alleged illegal transfer.

https://latimer.com/politics/story/2020-07-31/supreme-court-trump-border-wall-construction

 

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19 minutes ago, stevenl said:

We all have our personal responsibilities, but general care of the population is in hands of the government. And Trump has failed there.

 

Your statement 'its there fault and the governments fault I have covid.' is based on nothing, and the reasoning that it is all up to oneself is an anarchist attitude.

So in your words anyone who does not believe the government should be in control of a pandemic is an Anarchitic individual and one who advocates or believes in anarchy,  or anarchism. And my view on personal responsibity is that I am seeking to overturn by violence all constituted forms and institutions of society and government, with no purpose of establishing any other system of order in the place of that destroyed.

I find it hard to believe that by living with personal responsibility I am a person who promotes disorder or excites revolt against any established rule, law, or custom.if the government can't meet in the middle and do what's right, it up to us to care for ourselves. It's not just one person's responsibility.
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