Vaccine -- Will you take it or not?

[A512]

6 minutes ago, VBF said:

Ignore MSM if you wish (I agree it's suspect) but take a look at publications like The Lancet, or British Heart Foundation both well respected sources...and there are many others.

Or....ask doctors yourself, in private.

I did ask, I am surprised with the answers, I just can't post it here, would be too much to take for some folks.

[VBF]

14 minutes ago, A512 said:

I would proudly overstay and become a ghost in your scenario, the other option is death anyway. authorities will be surprised when the time comes, the man force will be small to stop everyone, see the civil war in the horizon.

remarks: hypothetically speaking I am not breaking any laws saying that, then no need to rise an eyebrow mods.

 

Only one possible response...."up to you" ????

 

EDIT:  If you got an answer from doctors, why can't you post it? You seem a little evasive!

Edited August 10, 2020 by VBF

[DirtyHarry55]

1 hour ago, connda said:

If I was a betting man, I'd wager the odds for a mandated vaccination required for any foreigner wishing to process a yearly extension to stay would be sure odds.

Yea maybe who knows really up in da air but even taking a Vaccine won't mean you don't contract it.
Maybe all European countries should require all Thai's be Vaccinated for TB before issuing visas as well as there are so many cases here?

[VBF]

14 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Highly selective screen grab of the article in question, I suggest anyone who was taken in by this to read the full piece https://hbr.org/2020/04/a-covid-19-vaccine-will-need-equitable-global-distribution

 

So aside from the millions of unidentified people where the only way to keep track of the vaccine distribution would be to deploy biometric ID's then for the rest of us things become much less clear.

 

With the unknown length of immunity? Will the vaccine be needed every year worst case scenario, and how immunity from the vaccine affects different people and age groups. The millions who have had the virus and have immunity when will they need to take a vaccine if they ever do? 

 

I think the more urgent requirement rather than a vaccine certificate, passport or whatever is instead proof of immunity. I refined antibody test that is as accurate as possible is needed and result within seconds, minutes. This could be used for travel, the kits could be kept by the consumer to use when needed, or the results could be put in the certificate or passport. For more important than just information that you've had a vaccine.

 

Just my thoughts...........

 

Just read the link you quoted - thanks.

I both agree and disagree with you! Yes, @Bkk Brian  did post a "highly selective screen grab" - the agreement.

 

Where I disagree is that I think he was trying to point out that although the ID information purports to be for "health and humanitarian"

purposes, the potential for it to be misused cannot be ignored. The very next paragraph refers to "Leveraging data"

 

Question that needs to be asked is "who has control of the lever?"  NOT simple, IMO.

 

Edited August 10, 2020 by VBF

[brucec64]

23 hours ago, CGW said:

Really! you do understand we are human beings that have immune systems, don't you?

yes, that's why we are immortal and never die.

[A512]

4 minutes ago, VBF said:

Only one possible response...."up to you" ????

EDIT:  If you got an answer from doctors, why can't you post it? You seem a little evasive!

soon or later all bubbles will burst, the system is rigged from top to bottom (almost, not everyone in the bottom are corrupted) the Cabal is just the minority and they will fall.

vaccines are dangerous substances, if you can't see that I will not be the one to open your eyes. 

About that autopsies, diverses kadavers were found with venous thrombosis, what a coincidence.

[VBF]

5 minutes ago, A512 said:

soon or later all bubbles will burst, the system is rigged from top to bottom (almost, not everyone in the bottom are corrupted) the Cabal is just the minority and they will fall.

vaccines are dangerous substances, if you can't see that I will not be the one to open your eyes. 

About that autopsies, diverses kadavers were found with venous thrombosis, what a coincidence.

Many meds are dangerous substances if misused

 

Your last sentence makes little sense but if you mean that some people with CV had thromboses, I understand that is a known side-effect.....possibly someone with real medical knowledge could comment (as ever I appeal to @Sheryl for clarification.   )

Edited August 10, 2020 by VBF

[brucec64]

6 minutes ago, A512 said:

soon or later all bubbles will burst, the system is rigged from top to bottom (almost, not everyone in the bottom are corrupted) the Cabal is just the minority and they will fall.

vaccines are dangerous substances, if you can't see that I will not be the one to open your eyes. 

About that autopsies, diverses kadavers were found with venous thrombosis, what a coincidence.

Must be very dark and lonely in your mother's basement...

[A512]

1 hour ago, brucec64 said:

Must be very dark and lonely in your mother's basement...

here in transnistria we do not have basements.

[Virt]

2 hours ago, A512 said:

who says? mainstream media? ask why autopsy in the deceased is forbidden ? go figure.

Forbidden??

Plenty of studies after doing autopsies of the diseased covid 19 victims.

 

How about this study where it shows that many covid 19 diseased had blood clots in almost every organ?

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/covid-19-patient-autopsies-show-blood-clots-in-almost-every-organ-pathologist-says

 

There is plenty of nasty examples after doing autopsies from the diseased, but also the survivors tell their tale now and many has to deal with an large amounts of various side effects.

 

Even a large amount of people who survived the covid 19 also suffers from blood clots, that now will be a risk later in their life.

Look it up, it's not secret material.

 

 

[daveAustin]

Certainly not if it's made in China. As said, it'll likely be a condition of entry, but how dicey taking a junta-approved one just to get into Thighland. They'll kill us all! 

[Onrai]

23 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

Way later. I’ve had more vaccinations than I care to remember, even got an anthrax one, malaria meds etc, but no smallpox scar. 

Look harder. You have one. 

[Mama Noodle]

30 minutes ago, Onrai said:

Look harder. You have one. 

LOL 

 

No man, I do not have one. 

[canopy]

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

You're wrong. The potential complications for Covid-19 survivors are much different than flus

No I am not wrong. I never said they were the same as you insinuate. My reasoning for not wanting a vaccine is solid.

 

[checkered flag]

9 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Probably best not to plan on doing any international travel in the next few years then

Or stay legally in Thailand or many more countries. Best to pack up and go now while you can.

[checkered flag]

9 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Highly selective screen grab of the article in question, I suggest anyone who was taken in by this to read the full piece https://hbr.org/2020/04/a-covid-19-vaccine-will-need-equitable-global-distribution

 

So aside from the millions of unidentified people where the only way to keep track of the vaccine distribution would be to deploy biometric ID's then for the rest of us things become much less clear.

 

With the unknown length of immunity? Will the vaccine be needed every year worst case scenario, and how immunity from the vaccine affects different people and age groups. The millions who have had the virus and have immunity when will they need to take a vaccine if they ever do? 

 

I think the more urgent requirement rather than a vaccine certificate, passport or whatever is instead proof of immunity. I refined antibody test that is as accurate as possible is needed and result within seconds, minutes. This could be used for travel, the kits could be kept by the consumer to use when needed, or the results could be put in the certificate or passport. Far more important than just information that you've had a vaccine.

 

Just my thoughts...........

 

 

 

 

As it stimulated T Cells (memory cells) it should last a long time. Additional vaccinations would be required if new strains develop (like the flu).

[watgate]

To the poster who said that most Americans will eventually take the vaccine I beg to differ especially if they have used aborted fetal tissue in the production of the vaccine. Once word gets out about this millions of Americans will not take the vaccine. Also millions of Americans don't trust Bill Gates and his agenda.

[checkered flag]

Vaccines 101: 

It appears that most of the posters here have little knowledge of viruses or vaccines. 

When exposed, we hope that the human body creates an antibody response before it's too late. If the response is T Cell immunity (memory cell leukocytes) the immunity last longer. That's why they measure T Cell response. The antibody level might not be high but the body retains the ability to produce protective antibodies quickly from these T cells. These antibodies can be specific to specific strains so protection may be strain specific (flu). Others may cover more widely smallpox).

 

Vaccine development has developed rapidly over the years. I look at three generations or stages:

1)  Live related viruses were used that had cross coverage. This was the case with small pox where active cow pox viruses were used. 

2) Modified viruses were used. Viruses made non infective through heat or chemical sterilization. This process takes more time because the virus must be grown and modified. There are risks if not 100% killed. Virus are grown in host animals or eggs and some peoples reach to the host horse serum sickness) There's a lot more too it though.

3) Genetic engineered virus particles. These can be produced by genetic sequencing and more or less developed via computer  programing. (also up and coming for cancer treatments). Since most of the vaccine developers have been working from the genetic sequencing this seem to be the approach. Vaccines produced this way should be much safer because no whole viruses are involved. The only risks should be the vaccine misses the target and doesn't work, the virus mutates (maybe the same) or it's suspended in something the host reacts to (like an allergic reaction).

If Covid19 mutates like the flu periodic revaccinations could be required like the flu. Future vaccines could cover multiple mutations, though.

With the large amount of money being poured into vaccine development, many new therapies in addition to Civid19 may be possible. Much in the same way that space exploration resulted in computer chip development years ago. 

[checkered flag]

16 minutes ago, watgate said:

To the poster who said that most Americans will eventually take the vaccine I beg to differ especially if they have used aborted fetal tissue in the production of the vaccine. Once word gets out about this millions of Americans will not take the vaccine. Also millions of Americans don't trust Bill Gates and his agenda.

There is no basis for fact on this. 

[Ratchsima]

On 8/9/2020 at 10:45 AM, BritManToo said:

Nah, I'll go along for the vaccine and slip the Thai nurse 500bht to not inject me.

No need to let the world know you didn't take it.

Cheapston or O'Cheap 555+

[Sheryl]

12 hours ago, VBF said:

Many meds are dangerous substances if misused

 

Your last sentence makes little sense but if you mean that some people with CV had thromboses, I understand that is a known side-effect.....possibly someone with real medical knowledge could comment (as ever I appeal to @Sheryl for clarification.   )

 

Yes, thrombosis is very common in severe COVID disease.

 

It has become apparent that severe COVID disease is not just a severe viral pneumonia as originally thought but rather a multi-organ disease .

 

Not only does it have significant mortlaity rate but severe COVID is turning out to have long term health effects even on those who recover. We are just starting to find out the extent of this. A recently published study found more than half recorvered patients had long term neurological damage.

[Sheryl]

3 hours ago, watgate said:

To the poster who said that most Americans will eventually take the vaccine I beg to differ especially if they have used aborted fetal tissue in the production of the vaccine. Once word gets out about this millions of Americans will not take the vaccine.

 

There is no use of aborted or other fetal tissue in vaccine development and no reason to ever use it, this is absurd in the extreme.

[faraday]

4 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

A recently published study found more than half recorvered patients had long term neurological damage.

Do you have a link to this study, or if not, then the title please?

 

Thanks

[checkered flag]

2 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

 

There is no use of aborted or other fetal tissue in vaccine development and no reason to ever use it, this is absurd in the extreme.

Fetal tissue and/or cord blood have been used to make stem cells. However, I don't believe fetal cells are used today because of potential abuse. Techniques have been developed to produce stem cells from other tissues. Stem cells are not used in vaccine development, to the best of my knowledge.

[Sheryl]

2 minutes ago, checkered flag said:

Fetal tissue and/or cord blood have been used to make stem cells. However, I don't believe fetal cells are used today because of potential abuse. Techniques have been developed to produce stem cells from other tissues. Stem cells are not used in vaccine development, to the best of my knowledge.

 

Indeed they are not. Not at all.

 

Stem cell technology and vaccien technologies are altogether different things.

[Surelynot]

2 hours ago, checkered flag said:

3 hours ago, watgate said:

To the poster who said that most Americans will eventually take the vaccine I beg to differ especially if they have used aborted fetal tissue in the production of the vaccine. Once word gets out about this millions of Americans will not take the vaccine. Also millions of Americans don't trust Bill Gates and his agenda.

There is no basis for fact on this. 

I would agree with both of you......no basis in fact (currently), but the Americans are just losing it fast......talk about brainwashed.............they won't accept a vaccine of any kind.........Youtube has indoctrinated them. They are like super absorbent toilet paper......they just soak up any kind of s**t they come across.

[Sheryl]

8 minutes ago, faraday said:

Do you have a link to this study, or if not, then the title please?

 

Thanks

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30228-5/fulltext

[checkered flag]

6 minutes ago, faraday said:

Do you have a link to this study, or if not, then the title please?

 

Thanks

Getting off subject a bit. The subject is taking the vaccine or not. Covid19 is a serious disease but should be discussed separately IMO.

[Airalee]

I voted for the “If it’s proven to be safe and effective” and like my Thai doctor here recommended to me, will probably wait a couple years to see.

 

on a different subject, I keep seeing these “As a retired health care professional”....posts from people who seem eager to be the first in line and are quick to chastise those who don’t want it. (Up to them IMO).

 

I think that if one wants to flout the “retired health care professional” qualification, they should be required to come forward, state who they are, where they worked, and in what capacity.  Claiming healthcare credentials should be able to be independently verified.

 

Niels Högel Is a retired health care professional after all.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niels_Högel

Edited August 11, 2020 by Airalee

[Marcous]

As scientists studied these viruses in the lab, they found that the best cells to use were the fetal cells mentioned above. When it was time to make a vaccine, they continued growing the viruses in the cells that worked best during these earlier studies.

Even though fetal cells are used to grow vaccine viruses, vaccines do not contain these cells or pieces of DNA that are recognizable as human DNA.

 

https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/fetal-tissues