UK steps up plans to tackle migrant Channel crossings with new commander

[elliss]

2 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

You posted a link about Nigerian females' who are smuggled into Germany , not sure what thats got to do with Asylum seekers coming to the UK from France

 

   Good point . 

    In the real World , it's much the same as sex-pats, seeking prostitutes in Thailand .

     Same same ..

[elliss]

5 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Any particular reason the OP article makes absolutely no mention of what nationality folks are making these channel crossings headed for the UK?

 

 

     Any Nationally .  UK can take care of them ..

[kingdong]

7 hours ago, transam said:

Your place, or even Chompers......?

 

Well you are sticking up for these folk, why not put your money, and back garden where your mouth is...?

nimby  = not in my back yard,plenty of them on this forumn another characteristic is short arms and deep pockets when it actually comes to contributing to the causes they shout from the rooftops about.

[elliss]

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 Indeed, and we in the UK welcomed the refugees fleeing that oppression, persecution and murder.

   Indeed .

 Why did they , the refugees not stand and fight the oppression .

As our forefathers in the UK have done .

 Freedom , comes  at a cost ...

Edited August 11, 2020 by elliss

[kingdong]

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 Indeed, and we in the UK welcomed the refugees fleeing that oppression, persecution and murder.

and who do you mean by the "we " in your statement exactly employers in the black economies perhaps? it certainly wasn,t anyone on the waiting list for a housing association property.

[kingdong]

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Four star accommodation with free wifi? No. If they are lucky and have family with them, they may get a small flat or house; often shared with others. Otherwise it's at best a bed and breakfast or a hostel. If really unlucky it's an Immigration Detention Centre. Though to be honest, those are usually reserved for asylum seekers whose applications have been refused or for those awaiting deportation for some other reason.

 

Of course they get money for food, clothes etc.! What would you prefer? That they have to resort to begging and stealing to feed and clothe themselves?

 

See Asylum support; What you'll get

what would i prefer? current rules being enforced and if broken the person(s) deported straight away.

[david555]

9 minutes ago, elliss said:

   Indeed .

 Why did they , the refugees not stand and fight the oppression .

As our forefathers in the UK have done .

 Freedom , comes  at a cost ...

That is a most valid point , especially for all those young Afghans ….. and strange enough on "Afghan army draft age" ….not liking to fight their own wars in their own country , as our ancestors had to do , and so on the run to the west 

Edited August 11, 2020 by david555

[elliss]

11 minutes ago, kingdong said:

what would i prefer? current rules being enforced and if broken the person(s) deported straight away.

 

CH .. 

Champagne Higgins ,  must have a date tonight , preaching the virtues of toff socialisms .

  One off ...555

 

 

Edited August 11, 2020 by elliss

[7by7]

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Quite a stupid comment. You don't think it's relevant to the article whether the boat people coming from France are actually French, or citizens from some other countries that have managed to get into France? And if so, what countries?

 

If they were French, or any other EU/EEA national come to that, they wouldn't have to smuggle themselves into the UK!

 

Doh!

[7by7]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

nimby  = not in my back yard,plenty of them on this forumn another characteristic is short arms and deep pockets when it actually comes to contributing to the causes they shout from the rooftops about.

 The latest figures I can find show that asylum seekers cost each UK taxpayer just over 1p per day. (source)

 

If you and any of your ex pat mates actually do pay UK tax, if you are that desperately short of cash then I'll send each of you that 1p/day. 

 

Now I accept that source is 5 years old, so I'll make it 2p a day if you want!

[Orton Rd]

7 hours ago, simple1 said:

You will find many genuine refugees fled their home countries to escape from serving in the dictatorship's military. As you know those rising up against dictatorships were/are brutally repressed, Syria being the prime example. Not sure of current stats, but previously the majority of asylum seekers were assessed as genuine refugees, not economic refugees. Germany had a lot of economic refugees from Wester Balkan countries, but little to zero comments about that on this forum. Unfortunately, EU / UK struggle to achieve government to government agreements to deport rejected asylum seekers as well as not allocating sufficient funds / resources to manage the situation. I do recall the EU (?) agreement with Libya which turned into a disaster with returnees and those entering the country via borders being held and sexually abused, tortured, raped and so on.

Best mates wife, herself originally an illegal African immigrant worked for the home office processing asylum claims. This was a number of years back but she always said 95% of claims were utterly false and that they were mostly already clued up about what to say- men all in danger of their lives while the women all had rape stories. She said claims of persecution and danger were almost never checked out, almost impossible to verify anyway. They may well be classed are real asylum seekers in the end, but that does not mean they were, or are.

[7by7]

1 hour ago, elliss said:

   Indeed .

 Why did they , the refugees not stand and fight the oppression .

As our forefathers in the UK have done .

 Freedom , comes  at a cost ...

A far more complex question than you realise.

 

To take some examples from just before and during the 6 years my father spent fighting oppression.

 

It's for the same reasons German Jews didn't stand and fight the Nazis in the 1930s.

 

The same reasons refugees fled the German invasions in 1940 and 1941. 

 

The same reasons refugees fled the battlefields after the Allies invaded Italy and then France.

 

Etc., etc., 

 

People have always fled oppressive regimes, non combatants have always fled wars.

 

Of course, just as in Germany, occupied Europe and Russia during the war, brave people do remain to fight the oppressive regime.

 

Of course, it is often difficult to decide whose side is in the right, Syria for example; Syria war: A brief guide to who's fighting whom. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

23 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

If they were French, or any other EU/EEA national come to that, they wouldn't have to smuggle themselves into the UK!

 

With all the UK leaving the EU stuff, as of today, are all EU member state citizens still free to go rolling into the UK at will with no visa or other entry requirements?

 

[7by7]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

and who do you mean by the "we " in your statement exactly employers in the black economies perhaps? it certainly wasn,t anyone on the waiting list for a housing association property.

 I meant 'we' the British people who actually live here in the UK.

 

We, the British people, who have been welcoming and assimilating refugees for at least 500 years.

 

We, the British people, who welcomed Jews fleeing Nazi Germany in the 1930s.

 

We, the British people, who welcomed east Europeans fleeing Soviet domination in the 1950s.

 

We, the British people who welcomed Kosovan refugees fleeing the war in FYR in the 1990s.

 

Although I grant you that there has always been a minority who would disagree. The name Mosley mean anything to you?

 

Employers working the black economy and looking for what is to all intents and purposes slave labour are criminals. They exploit the vulnerable and should be caught and dealt with to the full extent of the law; and often are. Employers: illegal working penalties.

 

Asylum seekers, which is what they are once they have indicated their intention to claim asylum, are not entitled to Housing Association accommodation. The Chartered Institute of Housing Housing Rights website

Quote

Special arrangements for asylum seekers

If you applied for asylum but have not yet received a final decision or you are waiting for the result of an appeal against a refusal of asylum, you cannot get an allocation of housing from the council, or get help if you are homeless.  You can't get universal credit or housing benefit to pay your rent.  You can apply direct to a housing association or for private rented accommodation, but in England where immigration checks apply you will not have the ’right to rent’ and landlords cannot accept you as a tenant. You can however stay with friends or family.

 

[7by7]

2 hours ago, kingdong said:

what would i prefer? current rules being enforced and if broken the person(s) deported straight away.

 What evidence do you have that this is not the case?

[kingdong]

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

 I meant 'we' the British people who actually live here in the UK.

 

We, the British people, who have been welcoming and assimilating refugees for at least 500 years.

 

We, the British people, who welcomed Jews fleeing Nazi Germany in the 1930s.

 

We, the British people, who welcomed east Europeans fleeing Soviet domination in the 1950s.

 

We, the British people who welcomed Kosovan refugees fleeing the war in FYR in the 1990s.

 

Although I grant you that there has always been a minority who would disagree. The name Mosley mean anything to you?

 

Employers working the black economy and looking for what is to all intents and purposes slave labour are criminals. They exploit the vulnerable and should be caught and dealt with to the full extent of the law; and often are. Employers: illegal working penalties.

 

Asylum seekers, which is what they are once they have indicated their intention to claim asylum, are not entitled to Housing Association accommodation. The Chartered Institute of Housing Housing Rights website

 

rose tinted specs alert.

[kingdong]

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 What evidence do you have that this is not the case?

its a complete waste of time trying to reason with you,so if if you don,t mind i,ll concentrate on teaching my chimpanzee to play the piano.

[7by7]

19 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

With all the UK leaving the EU stuff, as of today, are all EU member state citizens still free to go rolling into the UK at will with no visa or other entry requirements?

 

At the moment and until the end of the transition period; yes. Just as we are in the other direction.

 

After the transition period; who knows? 

 

But whilst they may need visas to enter the UK for work and study, as we will there, I suspect that for visits and tourism they wont.

 

Are you seriously suggesting that a French national would risk crossing the busiest shipping lane in the world in a small rubber boat just to avoid applying for a visa?

[Opl]

8 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Asylum seekers, which is what they are once they have indicated their intention to claim asylum, are not entitled to Housing Association accommodation

Does the birth  of a child, on UK soil,  change the benefits his parents are entitled to, even if they were denied asylum before? 

 

Edited August 11, 2020 by Opl

[7by7]

2 minutes ago, kingdong said:

6 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 What evidence do you have that this is not the case?

its a complete waste of time trying to reason with you,so if if you don,t mind i,ll concentrate on teaching my chimpanzee to play the piano.

 That'll be none, then!

[kingdong]

41 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 The latest figures I can find show that asylum seekers cost each UK taxpayer just over 1p per day. (source)

 

If you and any of your ex pat mates actually do pay UK tax, if you are that desperately short of cash then I'll send each of you that 1p/day. 

 

Now I accept that source is 5 years old, so I'll make it 2p a day if you want!

perhaps the red cross should concentrate on raising money for their plush offices,high wages and fleets of top of the range landcruisers,and stay out of politics.

[kingdong]

Just now, 7by7 said:

 That'll be none, then!

zigger zagga zigger zagger hoi hoi hoi

[7by7]

2 minutes ago, Opl said:

Does the birth  of a child, on UK soil,  change the benefits his parents are entitled to, even if they were denied asylum before? 

 

 

A child born in the UK is only British if one or both of it's parents are either British or living in the UK with no time restriction on their stay.

 

The only immediate difference your scenario would make is that the main applicant would be able to receive an extra allowance to buy food etc. for the child. See Asylum Support, How much you'll get.

 

If lucky, the parents may also be moved to better accommodation; out of a B&B into a flat. But that depends on what is available.

[kingdong]

2 hours ago, elliss said:

 

CH .. 

Champagne Higgins ,  must have a date tonight , preaching the virtues of toff socialisms .

  One off ...555

 

 

naw,its tuesday night,he,ll be out morris dancing.

[7by7]

13 minutes ago, kingdong said:

zigger zagga zigger zagger hoi hoi hoi

 

The quality of your intellect and wit displayed in this post has demolished me! I am reeling back in defeat!

 

I must go and lie down until I recover.

 

(Any one know of a sarcasm emoji)

[kingdong]

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

The quality of your intellect and wit displayed in this post has demolished me! I am reeling back in defeat!

 

I must go and lie down until I recover.

 

(Any one know of a sarcasm emoji)

calm yourself dear and accept defeat gracefully.

[simple1]

10 hours ago, Opl said:

Are you denying that " smugglers bring 90% of the refugees and migrants to the EU, with roughly 20% of the cases involving trafficking in persons. The European Police Office, Europol, estimates that the general increase in migrant volumes will also increase the number of cases involving exploitation and trafficking (Europol: Migrant Smuggling in the EU, 2016). "

https://www.syrjinta.fi/documents/14490/0/nigerialasselvitys+englanti/7d03d19d-bf75-4ff4-952a-e0bd4fbe2dd4

Are you denying that fake asylum seekers de facto sponsor smugglers lucrative traffickings, the victims being the countries of destination

 

 

Of course the greater number of people trafficking will increase the number of asylum seekers being identified as not qualifying for refugee status. Personally, I view the individual being trafficking suffering the greater level of misery and abuse than a 'country'.

[simple1]

6 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

Best mates wife, herself originally an illegal African immigrant worked for the home office processing asylum claims. This was a number of years back but she always said 95% of claims were utterly false and that they were mostly already clued up about what to say- men all in danger of their lives while the women all had rape stories. She said claims of persecution and danger were almost never checked out, almost impossible to verify anyway. They may well be classed are real asylum seekers in the end, but that does not mean they were, or are.

May be correct regards African asylum seekers, but 90% I don't believe in the period you indicate as there was a huge amount of conflict / regime oppression in Africa, In any case an anonymous internet story has zero creditability, especially given your posting history. Nor do you link to any credible stats regards the current 'boat people' so irrelevant.

[kingdong]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

May be correct regards African asylum seekers, but 90% I don't believe in the period you indicate as there was a huge amount of conflict / regime oppression in Africa, In any case an anonymous internet story has zero creditability, especially given your posting history. Nor do you link to any credible stats regards the current 'boat people' so irrelevant.

ever been to africa?

[simple1]

6 minutes ago, kingdong said:

ever been to africa?

 

Yes