Fresh ‘Boss’ probe eyes cocaine charge, speeding calculations

[snoop1130]

Fresh ‘Boss’ probe eyes cocaine charge, speeding calculations

By The Nation

 

 

A new panel of prosecutors today revealed progress in their fresh investigation of whether Vorayuth “Boss” Yoovidhya used cocaine and if his Ferrari was speeding when it killed a policeman in a hit-and-run case. 

 

The six-member panel is investigating conflicting testimony by experts of the speed at which Vorayuth’s Ferrari was travelling when it hit and killed motorcycle policeman Snr Sgt Maj Wichian Klanprasert, 47, on September 3, 2012.  

 

Police are re-questioning Chulalongkorn University scientist Sathon Vijarnwannaluk about his calculation that Vorayuth was driving at over 170km/hr at the time, and Democrat Party deputy leader Samart Ratchapolsitte who supported Sathon’s testimony.  

 

Also being questioned is Saiprasit Kerdniyom of King Mongkut Institute of Technology, one of six key witnesses who calculated the speed to be 76km/hr – evidence that was used to drop reckless driving charges against Vorayuth. The Council of Engineers is also looking into whether the fact his licence has expired affects the credibility of his testimony. 

 

Any record of the various speed calculations must be included in the new case file, said Ittiporn Kaewtip, deputy director-general of the Department of Criminal Litigation and the head of the new panel.

 

Meanwhile the panel will recommend that Vorayuth be prosecuted on a drugs charge as there was sufficient evidence he had used cocaine. The panel questioned doctors about a drugs test taken by Vorayuth soon after the 2012 accident that indicated he had taken cocaine but was not included in the original case file. 

 

The new prosecuting panel was appointed by the Office of the Attorney-General (OAG) on August 4 following public outrage over news that the case against Vorayuth, scion of Thailand’s second richest family, had been dropped.

 

Police would complete their fresh investigation of the case on August 20, said Ittiporn. 

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30392760

 

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[YetAnother]

thai truth; "conflicting testimony of experts"; check recent deposits in their bank accounts

Edited August 10, 2020 by YetAnother

[Antonymous]

28 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

Meanwhile the panel will recommend that Vorayuth be prosecuted on a drugs charge as there was sufficient evidence he had used cocaine.

 

Well, that's a start.

[Justgrazing]

18 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

that Vorayuth was driving at over 170km/hr at the time

 

18 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

Saiprasit Kerdniyom of King Mongkut Institute of Technology, one of six key witnesses who calculated the speed to be 76km/hr

170k's is a 105 mph .. as badly damaged as the car was with the bike embedded in the front it's hard not to believe that if he'd been doing the 170k's the bike would've been totally destroyed and the car even more badly damaged .. 

The 76 km figure equates to 47 mph .. even though that was still over the speed limit it's probably more consistent with the damage to the car and bike .. there are or were a number of components within the car that might have provided a guide to the speed at impact one being the airbag ECU that registers the speed at time of the bag activation .. it's got all the hallmarks of him howling the car then seeing the bike looming up in front at a vast rate of knots with not enough time or distance to stop .. 

[Susco]

 

Here comes the sandman

 

 

Edited August 10, 2020 by Susco

[holy cow cm]

176km is hard to fathom and odd he can still be charged for a controlled substance as he was not caught behind the wheel. I too think slower and maybe 100km would inflict that sort of damage. The kid should face some sort of piper but within reason. 

[sammieuk1]

indicated he had taken cocaine but was not included in the original case file.

 

So it looks like you can buy your way out of anything after all ????

[pomchop]

try and imagine a farang driving way over speed limit in a super expensive car, hopped up on coke and/or booze,  killing and dragging a cop, then denying everything and fleeing the country....then having all charges covered up , dropped, reduced, forgiven?   yes it is hard to imagine isn't it?

[Susco]

23 minutes ago, Justgrazing said:

170k's is a 105 mph .. as badly damaged as the car was with the bike embedded in the front it's hard not to believe that if he'd been doing the 170k's the bike would've been totally destroyed and the car even more badly damaged .. 

The 76 km figure equates to 47 mph .. even though that was still over the speed limit it's probably more consistent with the damage to the car and bike

Do you have a source for a picture of the bike?

 

You overlook the fact that the motorbike was moving in the same directions as the car.

 

There is a big difference between hitting a stationary vehicle and one that is moving in the same direction.

 

I remember when I was a school kid, one day on my way to school while riding in group, a car hit me on the rear wheel of my bicycle.

 

All it did was give me an acceleration and a bend of the rear fender. I didn't even fall

Edited August 10, 2020 by Susco

[jackdd]

33 minutes ago, Justgrazing said:

 

170k's is a 105 mph .. as badly damaged as the car was with the bike embedded in the front it's hard not to believe that if he'd been doing the 170k's the bike would've been totally destroyed and the car even more badly damaged .. 

The 76 km figure equates to 47 mph .. even though that was still over the speed limit it's probably more consistent with the damage to the car and bike .. there are or were a number of components within the car that might have provided a guide to the speed at impact one being the airbag ECU that registers the speed at time of the bag activation .. it's got all the hallmarks of him howling the car then seeing the bike looming up in front at a vast rate of knots with not enough time or distance to stop .. 

The motorbike wasn't stationary. Maybe the motorbike was driving 100km/h and the car 170km/h, then it's only a 70km/h difference.

[Justgrazing]

1 hour ago, Susco said:

You overlook the fact that the motorbike was moving in the same directions as the car.

 

There is a big difference between hitting a stationary vehicle and one that is moving in the same direction.

I don't over look the fact they were travelling in the same direction or make reference to the bike being stationary or moving .. I simply point out that the damage to the car and bike is not consistent with the car doing a speed of over 100mph as one expert claimed .. 

[Justgrazing]

1 hour ago, jackdd said:

The motorbike wasn't stationary. Maybe the motorbike was driving 100km/h and the car 170km/h, then it's only a 70km/h difference.

I make no reference to the bike being stationary .. see above .. 

[Artisi]

It's all smoke and mirrors, so the whole rehash is fairly irrelevant. 

[Susco]

14 minutes ago, Justgrazing said:

I don't over look the fact they were travelling in the same direction or make reference to the bike being stationary or moving .. I simply point out that the damage to the car and bike is not consistent with the car doing a speed of over 100mph as one expert claimed .. 

Well as someone else has pointed out. If the car was driving 170 Km/h and thee bike 70 Km/h, then the impact would be 100 Km/h. but I take it that you are an expert on this subject and know how the damage would look.

 

Since you avoided my question about the damage to the bike, I haven't seen any pictures, so I assume you have and can post or link to the source.

[chickenslegs]

It's very difficult to get hold of detailed information about the incident. For example, I can't find any photos of the police officer's motorcycle - the motorcycle seen in the reconstruction photos is (AFAIK) an undamaged one of the same make/model.

 

Regarding the alleged speed of the Ferrari, it seems (again AFAIK) that this was calculated from CCTV images nearby the scene using the simple formula distance/time.

 

The brakes on these supercars are very efficient, so I imagine that the Ferrari could have decelerated from 177kph to 70kph in a couple of seconds or less under heavy braking (assuming that the driver saw the motorcycle and applied the brakes).

 

So, taking into account that the two vehicles were travelling in the same direction, the impact speed could have been quite low. 

 

What can't be overlooked or disputed is that the police officer was killed and dragged for some distance under the Ferrari, that the Ferrari driver did not stop and render assistance, that arrangements were made for another person to take the blame, that the Ferrari driver failed to attend the police station for questioning and flew the country to escape prosecution.

[Justgrazing]

3 hours ago, Susco said:

Well as someone else has pointed out. If the car was driving 170 Km/h and thee bike 70 Km/h, then the impact would be 100 Km/h. but I take it that you are an expert on this subject and know how the damage would look.

 

Since you avoided my question about the damage to the bike, I haven't seen any pictures, so I assume you have and can post or link to the source.

Well if the car was travelling at 170k and the bike at 70k that is a contact speed between the 2 of over 60 mph and the damage sustained by them does not suggest that .. 

Am I an expert ? Only if riding bikes for 45 yrs makes me one ..

Photo's you say .. you must have the internet to be on here so put it in your searcher " red bull hit and run " then select images .. there are numerous photo's of the them on there .. 

[daveAustin]

6 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

 

170k's is a 105 mph .. as badly damaged as the car was with the bike embedded in the front it's hard not to believe that if he'd been doing the 170k's the bike would've been totally destroyed and the car even more badly damaged .. 

The 76 km figure equates to 47 mph .. even though that was still over the speed limit it's probably more consistent with the damage to the car and bike .. there are or were a number of components within the car that might have provided a guide to the speed at impact one being the airbag ECU that registers the speed at time of the bag activation .. it's got all the hallmarks of him howling the car then seeing the bike looming up in front at a vast rate of knots with not enough time or distance to stop .. 

There is no way that sort of slow speed would inflict the kind of damages in those images. The guy was speeding while hopped up on coke. Who in their 'right mind' - much less an untouchable - in a lawless country driving a Ferrari after a night on the town would stick to the speed limit? lol

[DoctorG]

To my mind they are looking to find a couple of low-grade charges that they can convict him on. He can then return and be sentenced to (say) 6 months of home detention, and, poof, everybody is happy and normal operations can continue.

[DPKANKAN]

11 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

 

170k's is a 105 mph .. as badly damaged as the car was with the bike embedded in the front it's hard not to believe that if he'd been doing the 170k's the bike would've been totally destroyed and the car even more badly damaged .. 

The 76 km figure equates to 47 mph .. even though that was still over the speed limit it's probably more consistent with the damage to the car and bike .. there are or were a number of components within the car that might have provided a guide to the speed at impact one being the airbag ECU that registers the speed at time of the bag activation .. it's got all the hallmarks of him howling the car then seeing the bike looming up in front at a vast rate of knots with not enough time or distance to stop .. 

170k was the speed through a cctv camera point beforehand not at impact when he was breaking...... down to 70+. Obviously writing a report you can put a different slant on it!!! ????????????????

[Captain Monday]

8 minutes ago, DPKANKAN said:

170k was the speed through a cctv camera point beforehand not at impact when he was breaking...... down to 70+. Obviously writing a report you can put a different slant on it!!! ????????????????

Precisely. He had time to panic brake but not to anywhere near zero. 

[PatOngo]

12 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Fresh ‘Boss’ probe eyes cocaine charge

The whole case is on the nose!

[Bundooman]

10 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

I don't over look the fact they were travelling in the same direction or make reference to the bike being stationary or moving .. I simply point out that the damage to the car and bike is not consistent with the car doing a speed of over 100mph as one expert claimed .. 

"I simply point out that the damage to the car and bike is not consistent with the car doing a speed of over 100mph"

Who are you to decide what is or isn't consistent in this case?

Do you have the qualifications, experience, the necessary knowledge to make such a statement?

I very much doubt it........ 

[Susco]

6 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Am I an expert ? Only if riding bikes for 45 yrs makes me one ..

No, sorry to break it for you, riding bikes for however many years you can think about, doesn't make you an accident reconstruction expert, neither do all those years in an armchair with a pc keyboard.

[Trentham]

More than 170 kms per hour equals almost 3 kms per minute. Soi Thonglor is only about 2 kms long. If you were doing 170 right at the start of the soi you would be at the other end in about 40 seconds. I am no maths genius but something does not add up.

[The Deerhunter]

12 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

 

170k's is a 105 mph .. as badly damaged as the car was with the bike embedded in the front it's hard not to believe that if he'd been doing the 170k's the bike would've been totally destroyed and the car even more badly damaged .. 

The 76 km figure equates to 47 mph .. even though that was still over the speed limit it's probably more consistent with the damage to the car and bike .. there are or were a number of components within the car that might have provided a guide to the speed at impact one being the airbag ECU that registers the speed at time of the bag activation .. it's got all the hallmarks of him howling the car then seeing the bike looming up in front at a vast rate of knots with not enough time or distance to stop .. 

Yes.  Sounds very reasonable actually.  

[Asquith Production]

12 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

 

170k's is a 105 mph .. as badly damaged as the car was with the bike embedded in the front it's hard not to believe that if he'd been doing the 170k's the bike would've been totally destroyed and the car even more badly damaged .. 

The 76 km figure equates to 47 mph .. even though that was still over the speed limit it's probably more consistent with the damage to the car and bike .. there are or were a number of components within the car that might have provided a guide to the speed at impact one being the airbag ECU that registers the speed at time of the bag activation .. it's got all the hallmarks of him howling the car then seeing the bike looming up in front at a vast rate of knots with not enough time or distance to stop .. 

Was the motorbike moving at the time? this would have an effect on damage. Did they measure the skid marks? Standard procedure in UK. Was the road damp? What was the co-efficient of the road surface. I doubt whether they did a reliable reconstruction.

[Susco]

4 minutes ago, Trentham said:

More than 170 kms per hour equals almost 3 kms per minute. Soi Thonglor is only about 2 kms long. If you were doing 170 right at the start of the soi you would be at the other end in about 40 seconds. I am no maths genius but something does not add up.

Soi Thonglor is about 2.5 km long, and a Ferrari needs about 10 seconds from 0 to 170 Km/h

[The Deerhunter]

1 hour ago, DoctorG said:

To my mind they are looking to find a couple of low-grade charges that they can convict him on. He can then return and be sentenced to (say) 6 months of home detention, and, poof, everybody is happy and normal operations can continue.

I suspect that there are two groups of those. One group trying to get them off with minimum charges and another group trying to hang him. Guess which group I belong to! Unfortunately my opinion won't count because I'm not one of the groups of experts vying for this particular interesting situation.

[bristolgeoff]

How many years did it happen, now they are going down this route.Why not at the start.like closing the gate after the horses have gone

[Benmart]

12 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

 

170k's is a 105 mph .. as badly damaged as the car was with the bike embedded in the front it's hard not to believe that if he'd been doing the 170k's the bike would've been totally destroyed and the car even more badly damaged .. 

The 76 km figure equates to 47 mph .. even though that was still over the speed limit it's probably more consistent with the damage to the car and bike .. there are or were a number of components within the car that might have provided a guide to the speed at impact one being the airbag ECU that registers the speed at time of the bag activation .. it's got all the hallmarks of him howling the car then seeing the bike looming up in front at a vast rate of knots with not enough time or distance to stop .. 

I wasn't at the scene of the accident and don't know anyone that was. My experience and credentials concerning motor vehicle accident investigation expired many years ago and wasn't issued in Thailand.

 

Arriving at any conclusion based on a news article and a photograph is questionable. I leave this mess for others better qualified to figure out.