RopeySG Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 A couple of times now I've knocked into scooters trying to undercut me as I'm turning through a u turn, fortunately nothing has ever come of it, they just pickup their scooter and ride away, but recently my wife had the same happen and this time, this guy wants to be paid money. I believe he's at fault, but will the police think so in this situation? Has this happened to anyone else here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Puchaiyank Posted August 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2020 Do not accompany your wife to the police station...your wife WILL be at fault. She stands a better chance without a farang in the picture! 19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RopeySG Posted August 10, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2020 Just now, Puchaiyank said: Do not accompany your wife to the police station...your wife WILL be at fault. She stands a better chance without a farang in the picture! Yes, absolutely agree on that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post northsouthdevide Posted August 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2020 It may or may not be yours or your wife's fault. Every traffic collision has to be judged as an individual situation. Just because you're in a car, doesn't mean you have right of way over a scooter. It may not be your fault, but if this has happened more than once, and you haven't intentionally collided with the scooters, then I would suggest you be more vigilant when making a u-turn. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jadee Posted August 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2020 Hi, I haven't had that exact thing happen (scooter on u-turn) but a couple of years ago I was pulling out of a junction and a guy on a scooter(moped - Honda click) shot between stationary cars and scratched across the front on my bumper. Fortunately, I was being extremely careful and just inching out so he didn't come off (could have been so much worse) but he still insisted that I call insurance. I didn't have a dash cam at the time so I was worried, I waited for insurance, he spoke to me and then the guy, then said he wanted to go to the police station. You can fairly imagine how worried I was, but I followed the insurance guy, went to the nearest police station. What happened was the police fined the biker for have no helmet or licence then called both me and the biker to the desk and asked what happened, decided I wasn't at fault and I left. So that's my advice; call insurance, go to the police station. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RopeySG Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, northsouthdevide said: It may or may not be yours or your wife's fault. Every traffic collision has to be judged as an individual situation. Just because you're in a car, doesn't mean you have right of way over a scooter. It may not be your fault, but if this has happened more than once, and you haven't intentionally collided with the scooters, then I would suggest you be more vigilant when making a u-turn. Yes, I understand that. I'm not sure if you drive here, but the uturns are not well designed for visibility and the speed of drivers coming from your left, I'd much rather take the risk of not looking right than getting tboned by a speeding car for not seeing it on my left. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 2long Posted August 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2020 A u-turn goes to the right, so in Thailand, that's the side to pass on. This means that if the scooter can and wants to travel faster than you, he might have the right to pass / undercut you. I know how frustrating it can be when driving a car to see these little things buzzing around and going through gaps. But having been a biker and car driver for more than 30 years, every story has two sides. There are many good and bad bikers and drivers alike. It's very easy to see it from your own point of view, and hard to see from others'. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RopeySG Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, jadee said: Hi, I haven't had that exact thing happen (scooter on u-turn) but a couple of years ago I was pulling out of a junction and a guy on a scooter(moped - Honda click) shot between stationary cars and scratched across the front on my bumper. Fortunately, I was being extremely careful and just inching out so he didn't come off (could have been so much worse) but he still insisted that I call insurance. I didn't have a dash cam at the time so I was worried, I waited for insurance, he spoke to me and then the guy, then said he wanted to go to the police station. You can fairly imagine how worried I was, but I followed the insurance guy, went to the nearest police station. What happened was the police fined the biker for have no helmet or licence then called both me and the biker to the desk and asked what happened, decided I wasn't at fault and I left. So that's my advice; call insurance, go to the police station. Thanks a lot, it's my wife's car and shes let the insurance lapse somehow, so we've renewed it now but alas, too late to bring them in. She's Thai, so will have to let her sort it with the police and scooterer. Good to hear a positive story, my experience with the BiB has been mixed bag from great to awful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 2long Posted August 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, RopeySG said: I'd much rather take the risk of not looking right than getting tboned by a speeding car for not seeing it on my left. You need eyes everywhere on the roads here. Right, left, right, forwards, behind and right again! It's not the scooter rider's fault that you choose left only for your own safety. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RopeySG Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, 2long said: A u-turn goes to the right, so in Thailand, that's the side to pass on. This means that if the scooter can and wants to travel faster than you, he might have the right to pass / undercut you. I know how frustrating it can be when driving a car to see these little things buzzing around and going through gaps. But having been a biker and car driver for more than 30 years, every story has two sides. There are many good and bad bikers and drivers alike. It's very easy to see it from your own point of view, and hard to see from others'. He might have the right, that's why I thought I would check on here for similar experiences to help set expectations with my Mrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RopeySG Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, 2long said: You need eyes everywhere on the roads here. Right, left, right, forwards, behind and right again! It's not the scooter rider's fault that you choose left only for your own safety. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 49 minutes ago, RopeySG said: I believe he's at fault, but will the police think so in this situation? Has this happened to anyone else here? Scooters will overtake on either side. If you're driving a car, you need to watch out for them. If she had no tax or insurance, it'll be her fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RopeySG Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, BritManToo said: Scooters will overtake on either side. If you're driving a car, you need to watch out for them. If she had no tax or insurance, it'll be her fault. Tax was current, but insurance had lapsed. She misplaced her license too, so that's probably going to count against her also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 9 hours ago, RopeySG said: Tax was current, but insurance had lapsed. She misplaced her license too, so that's probably going to count against her also. Which is odd as you can't buy tax without a new insurance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 3 hours ago, BritManToo said: Which is odd as you can't buy tax without a new insurance. I guess it's the voluntary insurance that's ran out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RopeySG Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share Posted August 11, 2020 23 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: I guess it's the voluntary insurance that's ran out. Yes, elective insurance had lapsed. My mistake. Govt mandated insurance was ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 4 hours ago, RopeySG said: Yes, elective insurance had lapsed. My mistake. Govt mandated insurance was ok All I can assume in support of your Mrs if the scooter person has no witnesses and it wasn't reported to the police at the time of the incident then the scooter person has no case as I see it, just ignore the incident and let others do the running around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post checkered flag Posted August 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 11, 2020 Returning home on the main highway, I need to make a U turn but a right turn is also possible. It's signal controlled. Previously, scooters would try passing on the right as the light changed and would cut in front of me. Now I hugh the curb on the right and don't allow them space. Some appear upset in my mirror, but we are both safe. I usually stop with enough space in front so they can pull up in front, but some take joy in passing when the light changes. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RopeySG Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share Posted August 11, 2020 32 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: All I can assume in support of your Mrs if the scooter person has no witnesses and it wasn't reported to the police at the time of the incident then the scooter person has no case as I see it, just ignore the incident and let others do the running around. Yeah that was my feeling at the time, but she's decided to get clarity from the BiB and will meet the scooter guy there. I will report back which way it goes as she seems to think the law is on her side here - but doesn't everyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RopeySG Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 The Mrs went to meet him at the police station today, he didn't show up. The police said in this situation because she was there first and he obstructed the lane to turn into, he's likely at fault. But he would need to hear the other guys side of the story to confirm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scammed Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) my advice is to at all times stick to the precise distance you had initially to any lane marker. the biker will assume you will continue stick in the track you had with the same distance to the lane markers on each side, as he takes over. this all means that you can leave everything to the right to the hands of the biker, since theres not going to be any changes made, i.e you are not going to cut him off, and you can focus on the left side Edited August 15, 2020 by scammed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted August 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 15, 2020 On 8/10/2020 at 8:34 PM, RopeySG said: A couple of times now I've knocked into scooters trying to undercut me as I'm turning through a u turn, fortunately nothing has ever come of it, they just pickup their scooter and ride away, but recently my wife had the same happen and this time, this guy wants to be paid money. I believe he's at fault, but will the police think so in this situation? Has this happened to anyone else here? I ride motorcycle and I used to drive a car for many years. I know that cars need space to turn or u-turn so if I am on my bike I let them have that space. But there are many motorcycle riders who never drove a car by themselves. They just see that space and think they can easily fit there. They never experienced the same problem from the car's perspective. And this is why things go wrong. That obviously does not answer your question who's fault it is but it might explain why it happens at all. Motorcycle riders need little space compared to cars and many riders don't think ahead about all those things which might go wrong. And that is why every car driver should look twice in situations like that. Because there will often be motorcycle riders in that place where they shouldn't be. Who is at fault and who pays is obviously an issue. But in the worst case scenario there is also that issue "he would be still alive if I would have looked twice (even if it is not my fault)". Stay safe, and be aware that there are lots of not so safe riders and drivers out there. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luv4get1 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Undercut no rear number plate or rear light, no pass test no Crash helmet 3 or 4 on bike how did you miss him ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SunsetT Posted August 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 15, 2020 (edited) I really dont know why they do it as it also puts them at more risk by ending up on the wrong side of the road after the U turn and needing to cut back over to the left. On my motorbike I always keep to the left of vehicles waiting at U turns and can go to the front of any queue, then when clear I can safely sweep around well clear of them to the left hand side of the road where a motorbike needs to be....and also get ahead of them. Edited August 15, 2020 by SunsetT 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millymoopoo Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Get as close as you can to the RHS curb so they can't cut in. Get a dash cam, front and rear, so if you are in the right there's no dispute. And certainly don't show your face anywhere near the cop shop, as soon as you do up goes the price.! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbaki Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 On 8/10/2020 at 9:22 PM, RopeySG said: Thanks a lot, it's my wife's car and shes let the insurance lapse somehow, so we've renewed it now but alas, too late to bring them in. She's Thai, so will have to let her sort it with the police and scooterer. Good to hear a positive story, my experience with the BiB has been mixed bag from great to awful. Usually the car has to be insured to be registered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpduggan Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Do you not learn from experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawrenceN Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 This is why I stay as far right as possible in U-turn lanes. Motos can't get through in six inches. I also stay close to the car in front, especially when I'm second in line, to prevent motos from cutting in, to make them go around to the left. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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