No plans to open Thai skies yet: Aviation authority

[scorecard]

57 minutes ago, fraggleRock said:

I spent time with illness in ICU in March at a major Bangkok hospital... over 50 beds apparently, I was the only person there! 

- What's your point?

- What major hospital in Bkk has 50 ICU rooms/beds/

- Re Covid 19, the numbers of infections/hospitalizations in Thailand have been way down for quite a while.

- What's your point? 

[Spellforce]

48 minutes ago, fraggleRock said:

Well New Zealand thought they had cracked the nut, they are now heading for a very severe shutdown... Thailand will follow this model and crush the economy .... the military will get harder.   No planes in until 2022 at the earliest...

NZ & Thailand had exactly the same policy: border closed to tourists + 14 days quarantine.

Both countries were proud to announce that there was zero local new cases for more than 2 months.

 

And surprise in NZ with 4 new local cases in Auckland 2 days ago !
That clearly shows that the virus was still spreading in NZ even if the borders were closed.

No countries will stop the virus when they ban their international flights. The virus is everywhere in the world now, sooner or later it will come back in Thailand. Ban international flights is just a waste of time and money ?

 

In Thailand the virus was everywhere in february/march, I just hope Thai people are allready immunized.

 

PS; Thailand immunized because I believe in that cross immunity, that covid is a "local" covid for people in SEA, that could explain the few deaths in SEA & China... but that's another subject.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 hours ago, Spellforce said:

The virus is everywhere in the world now, sooner or later it will come back in Thailand. Ban international flights is just a waste of time and money ?

 

So your answer is to throw open the gates, and encourage the virus to come flooding back into Thailand from all the places in the world with far worse rates of infection and death... So Thailand can become more like the U.S. or U.K.???

 

Or are you willing to do what the Thai govt is doing right now, and quarantine for two weeks all incoming arrivals?

 

 

Edited August 12, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[mtls2005]

9 minutes ago, scorecard said:

What's your point? 

 

Evidently, by extrapolation, he was the only person hospitalized in the world?

 

 

 

 

[billd766]

5 hours ago, steven100 said:

what does this mean ?

If you run the mouse cursor over the word you want, do a right click and a box will open on your screen. Choose "search Google for..... and in this case the result would be,

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=staycation&oq=staycation&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

stay·ca·tion
/ˌstāˈkāSHn/
Learn to pronounce
noun INFORMAL
a vacation spent in one's home country rather than abroad, or one spent at home and involving day trips to local attractions.

 

And there you have it. It works on just about any word, even mis spelled words.

Edited August 12, 2020 by billd766
Bad spelling

[Spellforce]

9 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

So your answer is to throw open the gates, and encourage the virus to come flooding back into Thailand from all the places in the world with far worse rates of infection and death... So Thailand can become more like the U.S. or U.K.???

You cannot compare because Thailand reached its peak of the epidemic several months ago:

 

 

Source: https://covid19.ddc.moph.go.th/en

[khunjeff]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

The Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand (CAAT) has yet to consider allowing international commercial flights to enter Thailand but was monitoring the improving Covid-19 situation in many countries, said director-general Chula Sukmanop.

 

It will need to consult with the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) before deciding whether to open Thai skies to international traffic, he added.

 

CAAT has given the green light for certain groups of foreigners to enter Thailand from July 1.

I don't know why the government lets this guy keep holding press conferences. CAAT is Thailand's aviation regulator; it does not get to decide which people are allowed to enter the country, or how Thailand will protect itself from contagious disease.

 

Meanwhile, CAAT's actual role is to oversee the safe and secure operation of air traffic in Thailand, and how has that been going? The country has had a category 2 rating from the US FAA since 2015, one of only a handful of countries in the world to fail its application for category 1. In 2018, this fellow announced that CAAT had dealt with the safety issues cited by ICAO and the FAA; nine months later, Thailand once again failed its FAA audit. Perhaps CAAT's time would be better spent actually addressing the documented problems in Thailand's aviation security oversight, rather than pontificating on issues totally outside of their bailiwick?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

16 hours ago, RR2020 said:

This is a virus and people will die.

Will they ever...

 

From Johns Hopkins Aug. 10 update:

 

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EPI UPDATE The WHO COVID-19 Situation Report for August 9 reports 19.46 million cases (273,552 new) and 722,285 deaths (6,207 new). The global cumulative incidence could potentially reach 20 million cases by tomorrow or Wednesday’s Situation Report, and the global mortality could reach 750,000 deaths by the end of this week.

 

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UNITED STATES

The US CDC reported 4.97 million total cases (54,590 new) and 161,284 deaths (1,064 new). We expect the US to surpass 5 million cases in this afternoon’s update.

 

 

The U.S. has pretty consistently been running 1000+ COVID deaths per day in the past month... The death toll is heading toward an estimated 230,000 in the U.S., and CV will become the third leading cause of death behind only cancer and heart disease.

 

In a typical flu season in the U.S., the seasonal flu might cause 20-30,000 deaths. In a bad flu season, that number might rise to 60,000 flu deaths.  COVID, with 160,000+ dead already, is NOT the same as, equal to, or similar to the seasonal flu.

 

[Donga]

1 hour ago, RR2020 said:

 

A sensible attitude is one where :

 

This is a virus and people will die.

 

Flu kills circa 600K people every year

 

Tuberculosis kills circa 2 million people every year.

 

For the above 2 - killing over 2.5 million people every year...........nobody cares. Its normal.

 

50 people die on Thailand roads every day on average.........nobody cares. Its normal.

 

 

The UK, USA etc... have open borders.....all is fine......life continues......not many are dying now......they know how to treat it.

 

 

The very high early death rates were due in the most to INCORRECT MEDICAL TREATMENT.

 

They were treating this with STEROIDS AND IBUPROFEN.   They now know that both of these massively increase the Covid seriousness.  the moment they stopped using these, you can see from the charts, the death rate fell off a cliff.

 

Covid-19 is now less deadly than normal flu - now they know how to treat it.  The statistics are all skewed because in the early stages they gave steroids and ibuprofen to people and it killed a lot of them.

 

Look at the chart of cases (PCR test confirmed) and deaths.............they are diverging massively now.  It started diverging when they stopped treating people incorrectly.

 

 

Agree with some of your comments as believe most countries are using blunt tools instead of relying on disciplined quarantine of known cases, sensible distancing and masks. Face masks were so under-rated for too long and cost many many lives in the northern hemisphere.

Yes, treatment has probably improved and the elderly are hopefully being better protected.

But don't kid yourself with your comparison to flu. Latest CDC Infected Fatality Rate is 0.65% which is mirrored in isolated countries where they've controlled Covid and did lots of testing, e.g. Iceland. The IFR for seasonal flu is 0.1% so Covid is at least 6 times more deadly. There is also much less immunity with Covid, so pushes it above 10 times more virulent than the flu, which can bring some countries and Western cities hospital resources to their knees. Those hospital news stories are real and clearly demonstrates why Covid needs to be carefully managed. 

Nevertheless, many authorities are being way too conservative, including the Thais. With community discipline and masks in place as well as the heat & humidity advantage (there's a reason Victoria is getting smacked in Winter) they could at least allow people return to their loved ones with airport testing and follow up. This is what Iceland has been doing for tourists generally for two months with very new few cases, which can be quickly contained.

I suspect once we overcome this 2nd wave, and there are good signs in the region, that travel bubbles will again be considered. Covid will have done it's worse with better treatments underway and some phase 3 vaccine news. The mood will change and the conservative authorities will increasingly be compelled to revive their economies with less risk involved.

Edited August 12, 2020 by Donga

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 hours ago, Spellforce said:

You cannot compare because Thailand reached its peak of the epidemic several months ago:

 

Yes, and Thailand closed its borders, the US did not.

 

Thailand, especially in urban areas, took mask wearing seriously, the U.S. did not.

 

The Thai govt made the CV something to rightly be feared. The U.S. govt. did not.

 

And look where Thailand is now... compared to the U.S.  The facts speak for themselves.

 

[Spellforce]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Yes, and Thailand closed its borders, the US did not.

And Thailand closed its border to China in december/january/february/march when hundreds of thousands of chinese tourists came to Thailand with their covid-19 ?

Do you really think that the covid-19 has start to come in Thailand only in march 2020 ? Same month as in Europe & USA ?

 

China & SEA countries had that covid-19 at least 2-3 months before the rest of the world.

[vermin on arrival]

5 hours ago, RR2020 said:

Meanwhile countries with a sensible attitude to the virus have mostly open borders and open skies.

 

Live with the virus - people die all the time.

 

50 people die on average every day on Thailands roads.......should Thais be banned worldwide from driving motorbikes and cars and lorries ?

 

UK, USA, Europe.......open skies and borders..........life is going on, economies are recovering.  

 

Cases rise but deaths continue to fall, soon everyone will see................the virus is weak, and only kills the very weak. Just like flu, pneumonia and all the other diseases there are.  Median death age worldwide is over 80 years old.

 

 

Yes, I just watched an interview with some oxford epidemiologists and they were saying something similar. One was saying that he had been asked by someone wasn't it a disaster that 100 people were dying per day in the UK from covid. He replied that normally on average in the winter 1500 people die per day and in the summer 1200 people die per day so it actually wasn't because things like this happen, but people don't really understand how many people actually die normally. Just checking stats for 2018 in UK the average daily deaths was 1687/day. The other said he was shocked. This was the 4th pandemic he had lived through and the first one that they shut the world. That in both the Hong Kong flu and Asian flus of 1957/58 and 1968 there was a great deal of death and the world wasn't shut down.

 

They also believe the suppression strategy of states like New Zealand will fail long term. We need to learn to live with it. Cutting oneself off from the world long term would fail as the virus can't be controlled.

 

This is a serious illness and precautions need to be taken, but it's not the black death, and it's not it's not even the Spanish flu of 1918. The world can be reopened with sensible precautions. 1 case will not result in the disastrous outbreak of America or Brazil. A balance must be achieved between public health and global economy, etc.

 

If anyone is interested here is the link to the interview. Lots of interesting insights on how the government strategies failed in the UK. Apparently 20% of all cases in the UK were contracted while in hospital as the government didn't adequately isolate the sick. Food for thought.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3plSbCbkSA

 

[Pheat123]

6 hours ago, david_dyer said:

still waiting 2 months now for australian boarder force permission

You have at least another 12 months to wait until the Aus nanny state lets you go out to play.

Edited August 12, 2020 by Pheat123

[vermin on arrival]

38 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Yes, and Thailand closed its borders, the US did not.

 

Thailand, especially in urban areas, took mask wearing seriously, the U.S. did not.

 

The Thai govt made the CV something to rightly be feared. The U.S. govt. did not.

 

And look where Thailand is now... compared to the U.S.  The facts speak for themselves.

 

It's truly shocking the depths of the disastrous epidemic the US is having that really one cannot compare with what has happened anywhere in Asia of Europe. Something strange and terrible is going on in the US and not just with covid. It's almost a complete societal failure. The best decision I ever made was when I decided to leave America 22 years ago.

 

While some Asian societies took prompt action. Thailand waited 3 months to institute many policies. Masks certainly showed up much earlier. It seems to me that it is circulating at some low level everywhere. Look at New Zealand. If their extreme measures and geographic isolation cannot suppress it completely, it cannot be done. In the long term, public health, must be balanced with economic health, etc.

[Chongalulu]

7 hours ago, mrfill said:

So the CAAT has given the green light for some foreigners to enter but they have given the red light to commercial aircraft landing.

 

I believe that is what we call a paradox

It’s more like the second syllable of Oxymoron..

[miketu]

At this point, all Chinese Covid19 virus closures and shutdowns worldwide are 100% political and/or "stupidical" and against all science and logic.  At this rate, the Chinese Covid19 virus will still be here 100 years from now.  

 

As the enemy says, "Never allow a crisis to go to waste."

[ThailandRyan]

16 minutes ago, miketu said:

At this point, all Chinese Covid19 virus closures and shutdowns worldwide are 100% political and/or "stupidical" and against all science and logic.  At this rate, the Chinese Covid19 virus will still be here 100 years from now.  

 

As the enemy says, "Never allow a crisis to go to waste."

The Ramblings of an intellectual person would understand that Covid isolation and sequestration of a country is not political or "Stupidcal".  Countries are closed in order to either contain the virus, and or the Covididiots as some people would say.  The issue at hand is whether to throw all caution to the wind and keep shut down or, throw the baby out with the bath water, and go balls to the walls and just open everything up and let Hundreds of thousands more become infected because of a lack of personal responsibility and an uncaring attitude of so what if Thousands die  they were old and it was there time........Yes very heavy on sarcasm.

[Aussie Col]

If Thailand doesn't want farang tourists I'm sure other countries will welcome them with open arms.

Once Farang tourists see how much more they get for their tourist money in other countries very few will be coming back here.

[Prairieboy]

7 hours ago, steven100 said:

what does this mean ?

A staycation (a portmanteau of "stay" and "vacation"), or holistay (a portmanteau of "holiday" and "stay"), is a period in which an individual or family stays home and participates in leisure activities within driving distance of their home and does not require overnight accommodation.

 

Thank you Google!

[The Barmbeker]

6 hours ago, Yinn said:

Life in Thailand start again, schools, factorys, plazas, inside restaurants, etc. only the border is closed. 

I wish it open. But can not.

 

Because selfish maskholes, anti vaxxers, anti tracing appers, anti social distance, anti rules people in many countrys. Stupid conspiracy theorys.

Some place even have covid party. 

 

because this covIDIOTS is be impossible stop. They refuse the rules then cry they loose the job, business etc. Stupid people.

 

If allow selfish people enter Thailand because “need a holiday” covid will spread again= schools, factorys, plazas, restaurants etc will close again. 

 

Thai people follow the rule= 5 weeks control covid.

Other countrys not wear mask, etc etc, 6 months already= it be worse. 

 

I want covid to end SO MUCH. But be impossible with selfish idiots. Fact. Really.

 

if not have selfish idiots= control covid about 5 weeks, same Thailand.

 

 

 

The type in the video= the type “need a holiday” 

only care themself. 

= 

And here we go again!

Same thai- centric, xenophobis BS as in every other post before!

Same charts, same words, same sentences, same bull...

You are in for a nasty surprise, I hope you knolw that!

Covid is not "gone" from Thailand and it never was and never will be!

It will raise its ugly head again and on top of that, you kill the future of a whole industry!

You shops,restaurants and plazas will close again- without the "help" of any foreigner!

I wonder, who you will blame then!

 

[The Barmbeker]

6 hours ago, brain150 said:

I would really like to know where all these numbers come from.

 

According to Scientists from Universities in Germany and Canada the PCR test does not 

show an infection or the virus !!! It actually shows just genetic material which is produced by the body.

The hospitals are empty ...

 

Still people BELIEVE their very trustworthy Governments ???? or the Media like BBC CNN HSNBC ... The Nation ???? (just to name a few) who have all a really good track record of being fully trustworthy and honest ????????????

 

Facebook, Twitter, Youtube all censoring any information that says "The VIRUS" is not as dangerous as they say ...

Stupid people wearing stupid masks ... they probably also leave their pants on when they go to the toilet ....

 

The world is an insane place and gets more insane every day !

Even a 3 year old kid can see through this HOAX !!! ... maybe because the Brainwashing is not that advanced in children,

but with making them wearing masks and being super scared to infect their Grandmas they will be traumatised for life !!!

 

... what is going on and being done by Governments is plain EVIL !!! And they know it !!!

 

 

 

Oh...so your username is a joke!

Good one!

[HaleySabai]

Here in Chiang Mai we are getting two daily international flights from Shanghi and Seoul.

[david_dyer]

7 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

The rules and regulations are in place to control the import and spread of Covid-19 in Thailand...not to facilitate travel to the country.

No need to point that out, that fact is very clear in my post.....however it is not thailand that are slow or overcharging for the flights. The embassy and dfat has been extreamly helpfull but they dont control australian boarderforce or the cost airlines are charging

[The Barmbeker]

4 hours ago, JaneM said:

 

I hear yah, but you're preaching to the wrong crowd here. On this forum there are mainly sheeple who believe everything the MSM says about this made up non existing virus. They don't have two brain cells on active duty to figure this out for themselves...

Did you do your resurch on Youtube or do you have a direct line to Alex Jones, your intellectual highness?

[The Barmbeker]

3 hours ago, fraggleRock said:

I spent time with illness in ICU in March at a major Bangkok hospital... over 50 beds apparently, I was the only person there! 

Excellent evidence, that the whole world is in on the plandemic!

I am so glad we have people like you, so we can finally put this nonesense to bed!

>severe sarcasm off<

[Anton9]

19 minutes ago, The Barmbeker said:

And here we go again!

Same thai- centric, xenophobis BS as in every other post before!

Same charts, same words, same sentences, same bull...

You are in for a nasty surprise, I hope you knolw that!

Covid is not "gone" from Thailand and it never was and never will be!

It will raise its ugly head again and on top of that, you kill the future of a whole industry!

You shops,restaurants and plazas will close again- without the "help" of any foreigner!

I wonder, who you will blame then!

 

Lol people really believe wearing  a mask will stop a virus,it's hilarious how easy is to brainwash people.

Everyone is now realizing how ridicolous this Covid madness is, a virus so weak you have to literally  test everyone because 80% of people don't even cough a single time.

 

Edited August 12, 2020 by Anton9

[ThailandRyan]

11 minutes ago, HaleySabai said:

Here in Chiang Mai we are getting two daily international flights from Shanghi and Seoul.

Are you saying there are tourists arriving on those flights?  The flights possibly are bring in folks who qualify to be here as in 1 of the 11 types of people allowed but must go into quarantine, but it could be just commercial flights brining in goods, and then taking people out of the country.  Just my thoughts.

[The Barmbeker]

8 minutes ago, Anton9 said:

Lol people really believe wearing  a mask will stop a virus,it's hilarious how easy is to brainwash people.

Everyone is now realizing how ridicolous this Covid madness is, a virus so weak you have to literally  test everyone because 80% of people don't even cough a single time.

 

Don't know, why you are quoting me, especially because I didn't say anything about masks!

...which (I think) have proven to be quiet helpful!

Also: do yuou know what an "asymptomatic carrier" is?

[mtls2005]

1 hour ago, nchuckle said:

It’s more like the second syllable of Oxymoron..

 

Believe that would be - y - 

 

"commercial" aircraft are both landing and departing SBIA/BKK. No conundrum, paradox or oxymoron.

 

 

[tribalfusion001]

6 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

 

USA is soon going to be approaching 200,000 dead from this virus.

UK is soon approaching 50,000 dead from this virus.

ECONOMIES IN FREE FALL. 

 

These rates are with some forms of 'social distance/lockdown'. Now imagine the numbers without any implementations. 

 

It's not a bloody flu. 

 

We all want to get back to normal, and hit Thailand's bars, beaches, Nana Plaza, but suggesting they should open up is ridiculous. Any benefits to their economy from a few tourists will be negated by the cost of a health care pandemic. 

The UK is not in freefall, it will bounce back to pre covid levels by end of 2021.

 

Maybe you should look at the restaurants from Monday to Wednesday, takings are massively up and I did look yesterday, plenty of people out and about.

 

Managing the virus is the best strategy not locking yourself in like scared rabbits in the headlights.