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9 minutes ago, sanuk711 said:

What can I say possum--then your using the wrong agent,

 

I think I over reacted a little possum, because those who have lived here for a while (for me its only about 21 years)  have seen nothing but improvements in the 90 day and Visa in general. You use to have to leave the country for your 90 days...how would your old fella like that?

 

The computer thing is up and running in most places and that's what the agents use when they do the 90 day for you. When all the kinks are out of it--You really cant complain about doing a computer log in just 3 times a year.

 

For the general visa--(1 year) --you used to have to get it from a Thai embassy Outside of Thailand---yer that was usually a 3-5 day exercise, and no guarantee you would get it--& the cost , we used to take trains or buses most of the time down to Malaysia etc,  as cheap Air Asia flights weren't around, sometimes they got a bit funny and only gave you 6 a month visa. 

 

Sorry if my first reply was a little impolite

"The computer thing is up and running in most places and that's what the agents use when they do the 90 day for you."

Agents I've heard of uses a courier (a guy on a motorbike) to deliver the passports for the 90 days report.

"You really cant complain about doing a computer log in just 3 times a year."

What about the 4:th report? Most immigration offices don't reset the date when doing the 1 year extension. Mine doesn't. 

 

 

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I think it's always interesting what some people want and what they think Thailand should do for them. Look at it from the Thai point of view. What is the advantage for Thailand to give some peop

What really disgusts me about Thailand is how older people who have been here for many years and now find it hard to get about still have to do these ridiculous 90 day reports etc, it is alright sayin

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5 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

I stopped using that agent 2 years ago. I don't agree with you about improvements which you mention. I was glad to do a 200 k run to the border every 90 days when I first came here, I wish it was the same today. I also don't like the idea of reporting every 90 days, why should I report to anyone, I'm not a criminal.

No problem about being impolite, I'm always happy to hear from people with your experience in Thailand. I have to admit I am a bit of a rebel, but I will never change.

You think a 90 days report is nonsense, but doing border runs every 90 days wasn't? Where's the logic in that? I did my 90 days report yesterday. In and out in a few minutes incl waiting for my number (only 2 guys before me). No need to be paranoid about the reason to do the report. It will only make your blood pressure go sky high. Sometime (when really lazy) I do it online using the website, the app sucks imo. 

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2 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

You think a 90 days report is nonsense, but doing border runs every 90 days wasn't? Where's the logic in that? I did my 90 days report yesterday. In and out in a few minutes incl waiting for my number (only 2 guys before me). No need to be paranoid about the reason to do the report. It will only make your blood pressure go sky high. Sometime (when really lazy) I do it online using the website, the app sucks imo. 

I was happy to do the border run in either the car or motorbike, it was a nice scenic ride down to Maesot. Why did you do a 90 day report, there is an amnesty, although you are advised to go before the end of August?

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21 hours ago, smutcakes said:

I did my interview in March and now its just a case of waiting. I followed up with the lawyer the other day and she said my file had been passed through the Committee and is working its way up. Hopefully should get it within next year.

For me if you qualify its a no brainer. I think generally for non working routes its probably harder than it sounds.

 

How much did you pay to improve your chances ?

Don't pretend that you didn't, this is what everybody is doing !

 

 

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Either PR or Citizenship is worth having, if eligible. No question about that. But far more immediately valuable, and within easier reach,  would be access to the Thai Social Security scheme. Currently, foreigners with regular employment are eligible, up to the age of 60. After only one year of employment and coverage, even if not employed anymore, one can voluntarily remain within the scheme by paying a nominal monthly due. This provides access to basically free healthcare in the extensive and generally good-to-excellent public health sector of Thailand

 

If the Thai authorities were willing to solve many problems with one stroke, they could make Social Security accessible to long-term residents, not just foreign workers.  Like all Social Security schemes, it is a sort of super-insurance, that relies on a very large number of contributors. It would be valuable for the financial equilibrium of the scheme to have an intake of new contributors. Granted, many would be seniors with a higher likelihood of illness and need for medical care, which would justify them having to pay upfront into the fund. The Thai SS could request a one-time lump sum payment upfront, worth several years of monthly contributions, and then charge regular membership.

 

I am not sure of the numbers, but understand that the monthly voluntary contribution is about 500 bahts. If so, that’s 6,000 bahts a year. If -at most- they charged a lump sum of 180,000 bahts to join the scheme, that would represent 30 years of contribution, I.e. an equivalent contribution to those who joined the scheme at its beginning in 1990 (not many people did at the time, it took years). 

 

It would be a real win-win, removing the need for long-term expats to insure privately, which is problematic in later years, and it would potentially remove at least some of the need to justify having a large amount frozen in a bank account for visa renewal. On the Thai side of things, it would provide the Thai Social Security with a substantial boost of contributions and a large cohort of additional regular contributors.

 

As a side note, one should keep in mind that there are European countries with a bilateral social security agreement with Thailand either signed or under negotiation. Such an agreement provides access for nationals of either country to the social security of the other country. There are conditions and limitations, obviously, and every agreement is different, but the benefit can be huge. Well worth looking it up.

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19 hours ago, Don Mega said:

Ive heard that too, is it actually feasible ?

 

would go for citizenship but not PR.. Assuming I would have to change my current extension to be based on marriage rather than work.

 

You can apply on a work based extension. Just being married to a Thai citizen is enough to bypass the otherwise required 5 years of PR. As I recall you need to have been married for 3 years on application or 1 year if you have a child.

 

The financial requirements are lower for citizenship than PR. I think the minimum for a foreign man married to a Thai woman is 40k/month.

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1 hour ago, jomtienisgood said:

Do you speak fluently Thai and can you sing the National Anthem????

Willing to give up your native nationality????

 

If applying on the basis of being married to a Thai citizen the requirement for knowledge of Thai language is dropped and you will not be asked to sing the national anthem.

 

As BritManToo has said there is no requirement to give up your current nationality(s). If there was, few westerners would apply.

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4 hours ago, possum1931 said:

The point is there are some very old and infirm expats who have been an advantage to Thailand, raised families and contributed to the Thai economy for many years, I am very surprised at you One More Farang as you are usually one of Thaivisas more sensible posters.

Its funny that as time (actually years) go by , scenarios that used to not concern us begin to pop

up like pimples on a girl in KFC.    The tunes we used to shout and play air guitar to ( "hope i die

before i get old " )  suddenly don't seem so accurate.   

As we yearn for one more reunion tour , we suddenly have to question just how long we can keep

going.   Reading the words "very old and infirm"  now start to hit a nerve in my aging brain. 

I still have a bit to go....... but a much smaller bit than 10 years ago.   

Kudos to the many guys here who have seen Thailand over a long stretch of time.  Maybe some are

the "bitter old farts"  some younguns like to belittle.   And maybe some are just decent guys who

lived a different lifestyle than the ordinary 9 to 5 er.  

If I were a rich man...... instead of trying to make another billion and going on CNBC ...... i would try

to buy a nice piece of land with housing and beautiful nurses to care for us old buffalos.   Make a deal with the bigwigs for a new type of visa .   The O and I  visa .    tdalawt chiwit !

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On 8/14/2020 at 9:49 AM, possum1931 said:

and we all know the hassles for many people of trying to report online,

Actually, no, I don't. I read about a few people on here who have problems. Define "many" and I'll define "a few".

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19 minutes ago, samtab said:

 

How much did you pay to improve your chances ?

Don't pretend that you didn't, this is what everybody is doing !

 

 

 PR applicants are vetted by a committee made up of representatives from several ministries and is eventually signed off by the Minister of Interior. Immigration decide whether you meet the criteria for applying but that's all so there is little opportunity for graft.

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29 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

I was happy to do the border run in either the car or motorbike, it was a nice scenic ride down to Maesot. Why did you do a 90 day report, there is an amnesty, although you are advised to go before the end of August?

When I was quite new to living here, I didn't mind the --go out the country every 90 days, made take a week-10 days go to different parts of Vietnam/Cambodia/Lao  etc, but I much prefer the option now, as I don't travel so much.

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28 minutes ago, samtab said:

 

How much did you pay to improve your chances ?

Don't pretend that you didn't, this is what everybody is doing !

 

 

It was all tied into the lawyers fees to do the work but i believe with the lawyers fees, some of which are possibly fees to assist the process i think the whole process including the final fee on recieving the PR will be around 300-350K.

 

I am sure some do it much cheaper but all in all it has been an easy process, a process which without lawyers i would simply never even contemplate attempting. 

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21 hours ago, BritManToo said:

If married you apply for citizenship.

No need for PR.

Much more difficult than PR, her is a list of the required documents and an explanation of the process:

 

https://visaguide.world/tips/becoming-a-citizen-of-thailand/

 

P.S. Typical lame and unstructured advice from you like nearly always

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57 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

What about the 4:th report? Most immigration offices don't reset the date when doing the 1 year extension. Mine doesn't.

Most ??

Since the 90 day came in I have only dealt with 4 different I.O. They have all given me the next 90 date along with my renewed 1 year visa.

 

**I have never dealt with BKK

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7 minutes ago, hanuman2543 said:

Much more difficult than PR, her is a list of the required documents and an explanation of the process:

 

https://visaguide.world/tips/becoming-a-citizen-of-thailand/

 

P.S. You have to hold PR for several years before you can apply so forget about what you proposed.

Typical lame and unstructured advice from you like nearly always

It is possible to apply for citizenship without PR, as many people do. Depends on the circumstances. 

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