Popular Post webfact Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 Big bike riders will now need separate licence By THE NATION The Cabinet yesterday (August 18) approved ministerial regulations on the issuing and renewal of drivers’ licences as proposed by the Transport Ministry, agreeing that “big bike” riders will need a separate licence from those of smaller, less powerful motorcycles, with applicants needing to pass special training and a test before being given a licence, deputy government spokesperson Traisulee Traisoranakul said. “The details of the training and test will be announced by the director-general of the Department of Land Transport,” Traisulee said. “The objectives of these regulations are to reduce road accidents and promote safety among vehicle users as well as pedestrians, and to update training and tests to suit the current situation.” A news source from the department said the regulations are part of its efforts to reduce the increasing number of accidents caused especially by big bikes, as these are more powerful than regular motorcycles and need a higher level of skill and experience to ride. “One of the criteria for applying for a big-bike licence is that applicants must have a certain number of years of experience in riding a normal motorcycle, in order to reduce the number of inexperienced big-bike riders on the road,” the source added. Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30393170 -- © Copyright The Nation Thailand 2020-08-19 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AndyAndyAndy Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 What is considered a big bike? 4 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ChipButty Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 I hate to say this but I will, make them all get a license and wear a helmet first, stop under age riders most of the guys I know with a so called big bike are more experienced 48 8 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThailandRyan Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) Your question was exactly the same as mine as I can not find a google answer. I have a new Yamaha XMax 300 and its considered a Maxi-Scooter, so not sure what classifies a big bike. I had a Honda CBR 250 prior and thought that was considered a Big Bike as I called it a crotch rocket. Had a Harley in the US, but too expensive and to big to get around on one here in Bangkok. The XMax is just perfect, but still big enough for long rides Edited August 19, 2020 by ThailandRyan 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pineapple01 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 I and 3 other Cars pulled out in front of one whilst crossing a Hi Way, technically our fault but it tried to whiz between 2 of us. The Bike ended up so far down the Hi Way the Cops did all but apologise for the young lad. It was a top end Ninja, doing guesstimated 150kph and in this case a test would have saved the lads legs imo. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Shuya Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 In 2018 they said 400cc and up is a big bike and needs a special licence. Last year is was higher than 500cc. So my guess would be 600cc now... 3 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jackdd Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 The summary of the Cabinet meeting https://www.thaigov.go.th/news/contents/details/34287 4. เรื่อง ร่างกฎกระทรวงการขอและการออกใบอนุญาตขับรถ และการต่ออายุใบอนุญาตขับรถ พ.ศ. .... คณะรัฐมนตรีมีมติเห็นชอบร่างกฎกระทรวงการขอและการออกใบอนุญาตขับรถ และการต่ออายุใบอนุญาตขับรถ พ.ศ. .... ที่แก้ไขเพิ่มเติมจากร่างที่สำนักงานคณะกรรมการกฤษฎีกาตรวจพิจารณาแล้ว ตามที่กระทรวงคมนาคมเสนอ และให้ดำเนินการต่อไปได้ ทั้งนี้ ร่างกฎกระทรวงการขอและการออกใบอนุญาตขับรถ และการต่ออายุใบอนุญาตขับรถ พ.ศ. .... ที่กระทรวงคมนาคมเสนอ คณะรัฐมนตรีได้เคยมีมติอนุมัติหลักการและสำนักงานคณะกรรมการกฤษฎีกาได้ตรวจพิจารณาแล้ว เป็นการแก้ไขปรับปรุงกฎกระทรวงกำหนดหลักเกณฑ์ วิธีการ และเงื่อนไขในการขอและการออกใบอนุญาตขับรถ และการขอต่ออายุและการอนุญาตให้ต่ออายุใบอนุญาตขับรถ พ.ศ. 2548 เกี่ยวกับหลักเกณฑ์ วิธีการ และเงื่อนไขในการขอและการออกใบอนุญาตขับรถ รวมทั้งการขอต่ออายุและการอนุญาตให้ต่ออายุใบอนุญาตขับรถ รวมทั้งเพิ่มเติมข้อกำหนดให้ผู้ที่ประสงค์จะขับรถจักรยานยนต์ที่มีกำลังสูง (Big bike) ต้องผ่านการอบรมและทดสอบการขับรถตามที่อธิบดีประกาศกำหนดเป็นการเพิ่มเติม อันจะส่งผลให้สามารถช่วยลดอุบัติเหตุบนท้องถนน สร้างความปลอดภัยให้ผู้ขับขี่และประชาชนผู้ใช้ถนนมิให้เกิดการบาดเจ็บหรือสูญเสียชีวิตและทรัพย์สิน และมีความเหมาะสมสอดคล้องกับสภาพการณ์ในปัจจุบัน สาระสำคัญของร่างกฎกระทรวง 1. ให้ยกเลิกกฎกระทรวงกำหนดหลักเกณฑ์ วิธีการ และเงื่อนไขในการขอและการออกใบอนุญาตขับรถ และการขอต่ออายุและการอนุญาตให้ต่ออายุใบอนุญาตขับรถ พ.ศ. 2548 2. ปรับปรุงเอกสารหลักฐานประกอบคำขอรับใบอนุญาตขับรถ 3. กำหนดเพิ่มเติมให้ใบรับรองแพทย์ที่จะนำมาใช้ประกอบการขอหรือต่อใบอนุญาตขับรถส่วนบุคคลต้องแสดงให้เห็นว่า ผู้ขอนอกจากไม่มีโรคประจำตัวแล้วยังไม่มีสภาวะของโรคที่ผู้ประกอบวิชาชีพเวชกรรมเห็นว่า อาจเป็นอันตรายขณะขับรถ 4. กำหนดให้การขอต่อใบอนุญาตขับรถทุกกรณีต้องใช้ใบรับรองแพทย์ โดยใบรับรองแพทย์มีอายุใช้ได้ตามที่แพทย์ผู้รับรองกำหนด แต่หากแพทย์ไม่ได้กำหนดอายุไว้ ให้ใช้ได้ไม่เกิน 1 เดือน นับแต่วันที่ออกใบรับรองแพทย์ 5. เพิ่มเติมอำนาจนายทะเบียนในการสั่งให้ผู้ขอรับหรือขอต่อใบอนุญาตขับรถต้องเข้ารับการตรวจ และนำใบรับรองแพทย์มายืนยันความเหมาะสมในการขับรถเป็นหลักฐานประกอบการดำเนินการ 6. ยกเลิกการใช้บัตรอื่นที่ใช้แทนบัตรประจำตัวประชาชนภาพถ่ายบัตรประจำตัวประชาชน ภาพถ่ายบัตรอื่นที่ใช้แทนบัตรประจำตัวประชาชนและภาพถ่ายหรือสำเนาทะเบียนบ้านเป็นหลักฐานประกอบคำขอรับใบอนุญาตขับรถ 7. เพิ่มเติมให้สามารถนำหลักฐานที่ออกโดยหน่วยงานที่กรมการขนส่งทางบกมอบหมายให้ดำเนินการอบรมมาใช้ประกอบการขอรับใบอนุญาตขับรถได้ 8. เพิ่มเติมข้อกำหนดให้ผู้ที่ประสงค์จะขับรถจักรยานยนต์ที่มีกำลังสูง (Big bike) ต้องผ่านการอบรมและทดสอบการขับรถตามที่อธิบดีประกาศกำหนดโดยความเห็นชอบของรัฐมนตรีเป็นการเพิ่มเติม 9. กำหนดให้ใบอนุญาตเป็นผู้ขับรถของรถประเภทเดียวกันกับที่ขอรับใบอนุญาตซึ่งรัฐบาลของประเทศอื่นออกให้ต้องยังไม่สิ้นอายุ 10. เพิ่มเติมกรณีผู้ขอเป็นแรงงานต่างด้าวที่มีมติคณะรัฐมนตรีให้อาศัยอยู่ในประเทศไทยได้ชั่วคราวเป็นกรณีพิเศษ ไม่มีสิทธิขอรับใบอนุญาตขับรถชนิดส่วนบุคคล (5 ปี) Google translate of this summary 4. Subject Draft Ministerial Regulation Application and Issuance of Driving License And the renewal of driving license BE .... The Cabinet passed a resolution approving the draft ministerial regulations applying and issuing driving licenses. And the renewal of the driving license BE .... revised in addition to the draft examined by the Office of the Council of State As proposed by the Ministry of Transport And can continue to proceed In this regard, the draft ministerial regulations applying and issuing a driving license And the renewal of driving license BE .... that the Ministry of Transport proposed The Cabinet has approved in principle and the Office of the Council of State has examined it. It is an amendment to the ministerial regulations prescribing rules, procedures and conditions for applying and issuing a driving license. And the renewal and license to renew a driver's license, 2005, regarding the rules, procedures and conditions for applying and issuing a driving license Including renewal requests and licenses to renew a driving license Including additional requirements for those who wish to drive motorcycles with high power (Big bike) must pass the training and driving test as specified by the Director-General. As a result, it can help reduce road accidents. Ensuring the safety of drivers and the people of the road from causing injury or loss of life and property. And appropriate in line with the current situation The essence of the draft ministerial regulation 1. To repeal the ministerial regulations prescribing the rules, procedures and conditions for the application and the issuance of driving licenses. And the request for renewal and a license to renew a driver's license in 2005 2. Update the documents and evidence supporting the application for driving license 3. Additional prescription for a medical certificate that will be used in conjunction with the application or renewal of the personal driving license must demonstrate that The applicant, apart from having no congenital disease, does not have a disease condition that a medical practitioner deems Can be dangerous while driving 4. Require that every application for a driver's license renewal requires a medical certificate. The medical certificate is valid as specified by the certified physician. But if the doctor has not determined the age Valid for no more than 1 month from the date of issue of the medical certificate. 5. Add the registrar's authority to order the applicant or apply for a renewal of a driving license to be examined. And bring a medical certificate to confirm suitability for driving as evidence for the operation 6. Cancel the use of other cards that are used instead of national identity cards, photo ID cards. A photograph of another card that is used as a substitute for an ID card and a photograph or a copy of the house registration as evidence for driving license application. 7. Additional evidence issued by the department assigned by the Department of Land Transport can be used for driving license applications. 8. Add additional requirements for those wishing to drive a high-powered motorcycle (Big bike) to undergo the driving training and test as specified by the Director-General with the approval of the Minister. 9. Require a driver's license for the same type of vehicle that is applied for a license issued by the government of another country without expiration. 10. Additional cases of foreign workers who have a cabinet resolution to reside in Thailand temporarily. Not eligible for a personal driver's license (5 years) As we can see, they don't tell us yet how they classify a big bike. 3 3 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Peterw42 Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 In theory this should only affect Thais, as most expats are presenting an unrestricted home license to get a Thai license. Interested to know whether we will need to start again, showing home license etc. 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, AndyAndyAndy said: What is considered a big bike? Probably a Forza 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jackdd Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 According to this site: https://www.prachachat.net/breaking-news/news-507835 The changes will come into effect 120 days after they are published in the Royal Gazette (so not this year), and a big bike is classified as 400cc or more. 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brunolem Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 France has (had?) the two licence system for decades now, with big bikes starting at 400 cc. There are pretty few of those in Thailand where the large majority rides scooters and bikes with less than 200 cc. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post holy cow cm Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 should really start at 250cc or more. But realistically should be a bike that you can't pick it up if you drop it, or it takes you more than 5 minutes to do so.. 2 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 I like to see that statistic. In my experience in Bangkok most big and medium big bike riders ride better than many small bike riders. I guess one of the reasons is that many small bike riders feel they have to compensate and they try the impossible and lots of dangerous stunts with their little bikes. Guys with bigger bike ride sometimes fast but I think in general they are more relaxed. 14 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: Probably a Forza My Xmax 300 is very similar to the Forza. So if they base it on CC's and its over 300 cc's then I am fine without having to retest for there new class of license. Of course my California CDL that is still valid is good for Class M, which is motorcycle and is required for a scooter on up to a Hyabusa Edited August 19, 2020 by ThailandRyan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Henryford Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 I think they need "special training" for any bike rider in Thailand. 9 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ezzra Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 A extra qualifications to ride a "big bike" dosen"t make a good rider, but what bureaucrats knows, more rules more permits, that's the only way they solve problems... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HaoleBoy Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 Would like to see a requirement for headlights to be on from dusk and when raining. More cars and scooters riding around at night with no lights. Start ticketing these drivers! 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pineapple01 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Can see this turning into a Smart <deleted> Fest. Can we just present will it help or not constructive remarks, not a picture gallery of some funny looking Scooters. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aussiexpat Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, holy cow cm said: But realistically should be a bike that you can't pick it up if you drop it, or it takes you more than 5 minutes to do so.. What a crazy idea. You'll be amazed at how quick you can pick up your pride and joy after you dropped it. I've picked up an FJ1100 and GPZ750 quite easily so under your suggested rules they wouldn't be big bikes. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post actonion Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 Special Licence must need a special Driving test, is there a special Driving Examiner who knows or understands the rules of the road,..... doubtful 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Peterw42 Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, holy cow cm said: should really start at 250cc or more. But realistically should be a bike that you can't pick it up if you drop it, or it takes you more than 5 minutes to do so.. That comes down to the size/strength of the person, not the bike. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HaoleBoy Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) If they want big bike riders to be safer then need to have new driving laws for big bikes enacted at the same time. 1) Big bikes should not have to ride in the left most lane. This is the most unsafe lane to drive in. I've gotten several tickets driving in BKK for this. 2) Allow big bikes to drive on the main hiways (not expressways, but that would be nice). Allow driving on Vipawhadee main road under the expressway and not on the frontage road. 3) Allow big bikes to go across the bridges over the Chao Praya river. 4) Allow big bikes to use the fly-overs in and around BKK. Edited August 19, 2020 by HaoleBoy 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dmaxdan Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 36 minutes ago, AndyAndyAndy said: What is considered a big bike? Here in Thailand, anything where an 8 year old can't reach the rear brake pedal. 1 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ChipButty Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 Does that mean the police get bigger bikes? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy cow cm Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, aussiexpat said: What a crazy idea. You'll be amazed at how quick you can pick up your pride and joy after you dropped it. I've picked up an FJ1100 and GPZ750 quite easily so under your suggested rules they wouldn't be big bikes. Most all people don't have a clue how to do it and it is not as easy to do as you profess it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahjongguy Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 My Kawasaki Z 400 is actually 399cc, and the green book lists it as 399cc. Is that going to matter, or will they use the model number (which is something 400 something)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy cow cm Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, Peterw42 said: That comes down to the size/strength of the person, not the bike. Yes and no. And yes I have picked up big bikes that I have dropped before. Not the same as a small bike. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HaoleBoy Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 Just now, holy cow cm said: Most all people don't have a clue how to do it and it is not as easy to do as you profess it is. Most big bike riders are taught when buying a new big bike how to pick it up if it goes down. Even women can pick up a big Harley Cruiser if taught right .... 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fangless Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 38 minutes ago, jackdd said: As we can see, they don't tell us yet how they classify a big bike. Will probably be classified by the size of the brown envelope when you are stopped by the BIB. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Peterw42 Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 Is anyone considering the alternative, smaller pick-up trucks, lol ? 99% of bike accidents are collisions with a car/truck, bike size is probably not that relevant in most accidents. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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