webfact Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Immigration nabs 18 Chinese - smart car and "Cellebrite" tech used Picture: Naew Na Naew Na reported that 18 Chinese nationals were arrested trying to sneak into Thailand over the Maekhong River from Laos into Chiang Saen, Chiang Rai. Immigration not only utilized technology on one of their now famous BMW "smart cars" but also had "Cellebrite" technology at their disposal that was used to intercept mobile phone messages. None of the Chinese had travel documents and admitted trying to enter the kingdom illegally in a boat they had hired from the Laotian side. Picture: Naew Na The river police also aided immigration in the arrests. Cellebrite is an Israeli Digital Intelligence company that manufactures data extraction, transfer and analysis devices for cellular phones and mobile devices, according to information online, notes Thaivisa. Source: Naew Na -- © Copyright Thai Visa News 2020-08-19 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesofa Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 44 minutes ago, webfact said: Immigration not only utilized technology on one of their now famous BMW "smart cars" I take it the smart car drives itself to the crime scene, having previously filtered out all the suspect data on it own. Why else would anyone need a smart car - except for the hard-of-learning posing in a BMW? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Justgrazing Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, webfact said: Cellebrite This has caused controversy when used by some law enforcement in the West with accusations of unauthorized use and data theft .. There is also speculation that it was this that was used recently in Britain to enable the mass co-ordinated raids on organised crime crim's using the encrypted Encrochat message platform that was previously thought unbreakable .. But the implications of it on lawful civil liberties are obvious and a cause for concern for everyone .. Edited August 19, 2020 by Justgrazing Sp 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hayduke Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Justgrazing said: The implications of this on civil liberties are obvious and a cause for concern for everyone .. Well....not quite....everyone. Civil liberty concerns are limited to those countries that actually….have…civil liberties. Edited August 19, 2020 by Hayduke 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgrazing Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Hayduke said: Well....not quite....everyone. Indeed .. it is the ordinary folk who should be concerned that this is being used .. but yes no doubt there will be some sufficiently connected who will escape it's gaze .. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammieuk1 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 You know it's serious when the red tip is deployed to the end of the pointing stick and acts as a smart divining rod picking out criminals at will ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deli Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Hayduke said: Well....not quite....everyone. Civil liberty concerns are limited to those countries that actually….have…civil liberties. Therefor Isreal can use it, civil liberty my a*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffersLos Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 2 hours ago, bluesofa said: Why else would anyone need a smart car Perhaps it's smarter than them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Phuketshrew Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 And here is the smart BMW making the interception on the Mekhong: 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bluesofa Posted August 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Phuketshrew said: And here is the smart BMW making the interception on the Mekhong: Will they be using it later to float the Thai Baht? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETERTHEEATER Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 3 hours ago, webfact said: None of the Chinese had travel documents As a favoured nation they expected Visas on Arrival......???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 4 hours ago, webfact said: Immigration nabs 18 Chinese - smart car and "Cellebrite" tech used So, In essence they used a laptop and a smart phone in car, which makes the car smart, but not the operator? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesofa Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, klauskunkel said: 4 hours ago, webfact said: Immigration nabs 18 Chinese - smart car and "Cellebrite" tech used So, In essence they used a laptop and a smart phone in car, which makes the car smart, but not the operator? Sometimes it's the details left out that are more telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Bill Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Unemployed casino workers from the Laos "Las Vegas" opposite Chiang Saen???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdsa Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Justgrazing said: But the implications of it on lawful civil liberties are obvious and a cause for concern for everyone .. using mobile networks at all should be a security concern for everyone, as SMS/calls interception setup cost just about $300 (and smart Israeli guys sell it for millions LOL) https://www.firstpoint-mg.com/blog/ss7-attack-guide/ https://positive-tech.com/research/ss7-network-security-analysis-2020/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukrules Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Justgrazing said: with accusations of unauthorized use and data theft .. That's not a problem here, they have authorisation ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgrazing Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 16 minutes ago, ukrules said: That's not a problem here, they have authorisation ???? Yes unfortunately that is the case .. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhaoYai Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 hour ago, fdsa said: using mobile networks at all should be a security concern for everyone, as SMS/calls interception setup cost just about $300 (and smart Israeli guys sell it for millions LOL) https://www.firstpoint-mg.com/blog/ss7-attack-guide/ https://positive-tech.com/research/ss7-network-security-analysis-2020/ I read the first link and understood some of the highly technical language used but not a lot of it. If what I did understand is correct - calls and SMS texts on a mobile are not secure. Indeed, I have never considered my mobile phone as 'secure' and therefore for example, I will not install a banking application on it. However, we are told that messaging applications such as Whatsapp and LINE use 'end to end' encryption and are therefore, secure. Is that not true then? (Please reply in non-technical language) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdsa Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 16 hours ago, KhaoYai said: I read the first link and understood some of the highly technical language used but not a lot of it. If what I did understand is correct - calls and SMS texts on a mobile are not secure. Indeed, I have never considered my mobile phone as 'secure' and therefore for example, I will not install a banking application on it. However, we are told that messaging applications such as Whatsapp and LINE use 'end to end' encryption and are therefore, secure. Is that not true then? (Please reply in non-technical language) The mobile network is insecure by design - this is how international roaming works. If your mobile operator allows international roaming then any rogue african provider can announce your number in any country and intercept your SMS/calls. WhatsAPP, LINE, Telegram, etc, just only claim that they use end-to-end encryption but it is impossible to verify because their program code is hidden. So to be safe it is better to assume that they are not secure and never send anything really private thru them. If you want something really secure - there are Element (former Riot) messenger, which is still new and thus unstable, and Jabber protocol, which is old and industrial standard (in fact WhatsApp and Zoom use Jabber as underlying protocol), but Jabber does not support sending files and video calls well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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