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15 hours ago, LuciusCornelius said:

Yes, city hall was a zoo but the accountant battled through it and got the tax paid.  Oddly, 198 baht total in tax, which at least was expressed to me as 99 baht per unit.  Obviously, I would anticipate different tax levels for each of them as one is a 1 bedroom and the other a 2 bedroom.  They certainly have different purchase prices.  Anyway, receipts have been obtained and I will get scans of those tomorrow.  I am interested to learn what the appraisal values for the units are.

 

No backtaxes were demanded or even mentioned.

 

A weight off my mind.  

 

 

What time did you go and how long did you have to wait?

 

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FYI a farang owned condo is only tax exempt if the farang owner has a Yellow tabien bahn in his or her name, this is because the blue tabien bahn has no name in it in the case of a farang owner.

Why would you pay a lawyer 1500 baht per condo when tax cost for your 2 condo would be only 136 baht after discount applied?   Even if you missed the discount date total tax would still only

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On 8/23/2020 at 9:43 AM, Rimmer said:

Wife paid the tax on the property last week, our payments in past years are all up to date so no previous tax to pay, she was also given a substantial discount on this current payment.

 

Friend less than half a mile away had never registered so of course never paid the yearly tax, he had to pay B57,000 in back tax and fines to when the house was built around ten years ago.

Sorry but just to confirm is this the same tax described here - https://www.bdo.co.th/en-gb/insights/tax-updates/new-property-tax-law-in-thailand

Which gives exemptions -

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  • A tax exempt threshold of Baht 50 million shall apply to land and buildings owned by individuals that are used as their place of residence, if their names appear in the house registration book on 1 January of the tax year
  • A tax exempt threshold of Baht 10 million shall apply to buildings owned by individuals, where they are not the land owner, that are used as their place of residence, if their names appear in the house registration bookon 1 January of the tax year. By definition this would include a condominium unit.

So is everybody who is having to pay having either a company ownership or a foreigner owned condo as their name cannot appear in the house registration booklet - which if true seems a "little" unfair? 

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7 hours ago, Banana7 said:

What time did you go and how long did you have to wait?

 

I did not go - the accountant did.  Sometime after 3pm I think.  I got the notice to transfer the funds about 4pm. I am assuming that the accountant deals often with these departments and has contacts there.  Probably she was able to jump the line.  That is certainly how it works where I live in Asia (China) and I suspect in Thailand too.  Even if I was In Pattaya, I would still pay the 2000 Baht to avoid dealing with the hassle of city hall. 

 

Actually, the information given on the prior page about my tax liability was incorrect.  I only paid 99 Baht total in tax for both units. This is because of the 90% discount.  I should have paid 988.48 Baht - and I'm sure I will in March 2021, when this tax hits again.

My smaller apartment paid less (35 Baht) and the larger one more (64 Baht) as I expected.  Also the appraised values, which this tax is based off, were about 25% below the sales price. 

The tax rate levied was 0.02% of appraised values. These are both holiday homes and my name is not in the residence book.   

 

I have attached the tax due before discount calculation, which was part of the package of receipts I got. This is what I will have to pay next year doubtless.  

 

Another thing is that the surface area of the units is slightly lower than actual measurements.  My 2 bed is 63M2 and the one bedroom is 34M2.  The accountant said not to worry about it.  It's usual. 

 

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2 hours ago, topt said:

Sorry but just to confirm is this the same tax described here - https://www.bdo.co.th/en-gb/insights/tax-updates/new-property-tax-law-in-thailand

Which gives exemptions -

So is everybody who is having to pay having either a company ownership or a foreigner owned condo as their name cannot appear in the house registration booklet - which if true seems a "little" unfair? 

Yes, it is that tax.  The Land and Buildings tax.

 

I have been told that foreigners can obtain a yellow house registration book if they have qualifying visa status.  They can exchange the blue registration book for the yellow one and then be entitled to the tax exemption for the primary residence.  Obviously, people with investment properties or holiday homes that don't live there or don't even live in Thailand cannot.  This tax would also apply to Thais with second homes simply because they can only have one place registered as their primary residence.  It is possible that Thai couples or families could obviate this by buying properties in the name of a spouse or a family member and getting them to register in the house book.  However, I am not sure what (if any) impact that could have on that person's ability to then access public services like education in the location where they actually live. 

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19 hours ago, LuciusCornelius said:

Yes, it is that tax.  The Land and Buildings tax.

 

I have been told that foreigners can obtain a yellow house registration book if they have qualifying visa status.  They can exchange the blue registration book for the yellow one and then be entitled to the tax exemption for the primary residence.  Obviously, people with investment properties or holiday homes that don't live there or don't even live in Thailand cannot.  This tax would also apply to Thais with second homes simply because they can only have one place registered as their primary residence.  It is possible that Thai couples or families could obviate this by buying properties in the name of a spouse or a family member and getting them to register in the house book.  However, I am not sure what (if any) impact that could have on that person's ability to then access public services like education in the location where they actually live. 

Which visas are qualifying visas for the yellow book? Is a retirement "O" a qualify visa? Where can the blue book be exchanged for the yellow book?

 

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3 hours ago, Banana7 said:

Which visas are qualifying visas for the yellow book? Is a retirement "O" a qualify visa? Where can the blue book be exchanged for the yellow book?

 

I am no expert on Thailand.  However, I think the second post in the thread pasted below should help to answer your questions.

 

I would not call the conversion process hassle free.  More like laborious and costly. However, there is one.

 

 

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For more information, please contact the Revenue and Benefits Department, Pattaya City from 9:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Mon.-Fri. Telephone number (038) 253148 -149, Mobile Line ID: 0839749584. 

            Or you can call to request the amount to be paid and transfer payments as details as follows 

            Account name:            Pattaya City 

            Bank:                           Krung Thai Bank, South Pattaya Branch 

            Account Number:        221-6-02322-1 

            Account Type:             Current Account

That Line ID doesn't work anymore.

Is it possible to do a bank transfer today (with that 90% discount + no penalty) and come back in september to the amphur when there will be less people ?

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25 minutes ago, Spellforce said:

 

 

That Line ID doesn't work anymore.

Is it possible to do a bank transfer today (with that 90% discount + no penalty) and come back in september to the amphur when there will be less people ?

No. The Line ID and telephone number are next to useless.  The accountant I hired tried calling and messaging in the morning.  Radio silence.  In the afternoon when there was still no reply, she just went to city hall to deal with it.  Right now, someone physically going there seems to be the only solution.

 

How can you make the payment without first knowing the amount due?  Do you know the appraised value of your property according to City hall's records?  I sure didn't.  I would not recommend doing a transfer of a ballpark figure, because there is a fair chance it will not get associated with your property tax payment.  They want to see copies of the deeds (both sides), an ID, the sales contract from the land office and the household registration book (blue / yellow book).

 

 

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My experience today. 

 

Based on the reports of big queues on here I decided to go first thing this morning. I parked my car across the road in Tesco's which seems much easier than the City Hall arrangement. Walked through the doors at 8.30 am and already all the seats leading to the office on the right looked fully occupied. I walked up to the lady who seemed to be the initial contact point and she took me straight through to a lady at the back of the internal office who took my assessment form, entered some info on the computer and helpfully explained this years was baased on internal condo space, next year would include balcony as well. Finished she printed a form and  took me to the ladies at the front who gave me a number, which was 19 and sat me at the front of a row of chairs beside the ladies processing the payment. Served straight away, paid my 132 baht and handed receipt and told to come back again in April. 

 

In and out in 18 minutes 😁👍. No idea what everyone else was queueing for. 

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On 8/26/2020 at 5:44 PM, LuciusCornelius said:

No. The Line ID and telephone number are next to useless.  The accountant I hired tried calling and messaging in the morning.  Radio silence.  In the afternoon when there was still no reply, she just went to city hall to deal with it.  Right now, someone physically going there seems to be the only solution.

 

How can you make the payment without first knowing the amount due?  Do you know the appraised value of your property according to City hall's records?  I sure didn't.  I would not recommend doing a transfer of a ballpark figure, because there is a fair chance it will not get associated with your property tax payment.  They want to see copies of the deeds (both sides), an ID, the sales contract from the land office and the household registration book (blue / yellow book).

 

 

I got a response from the LINE ID. My initial message identified my condo address precisely, my full name, and asked for the property tax amount. It took about 3 or 4 days for the initial response. Taxes: 40.35 baht.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Banana7 said:

I got a response from the LINE ID. My initial message identified my condo address precisely, my full name, and asked for the property tax amount. It took about 3 or 4 days for the initial response. Taxes: 40.35 baht.

 

 

Clearly the Line method is viable then.  I certainly would have lacked the patience for that.  The accountant said they might never get back to us.  I will try using Line in March for the next payment.  If not I will go back to the accountant. Line is blocked in China, where I am based, which means messing around with a VPN on my phone to get it working.  Nothing is easy. 

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I paid my property tax in Bangkok yesterday it is 0.2% of the governments assessed value which is about 60% of market value. There is a 90% reduction on the assessment for this year only. We have an agent paying today for our Pattaya units. I have total 6 units in Thailand and not received one letter for any of my unit.

 

If you get an agent to do this as you are out of Thailand just provide photocopy of Title deed, blue book even though it does not record Foreign names and a copy of your passport.

 

At the office they will input the details from the deed such as size and then give you the assessment of value and tax to be paid on a printout. The tax shown is then reduced by 90% when you actually pay.

 

For those that have received the letters showing tax due they can pay at KTB bank no need to attend your local tax office.

 

 

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For Pattaya you do not need any photocopies, agents etc,,

Just use line provided, have some patience ( for me 2-3 days replydelay for every chatcomment)

Tell your name and what you own you will receive amounts to pay, what bank to pay. You receive also 5 page long thailanguage pdf- document (i do not know what is in there besides taxamount owed). After payment send receipt of your payment using line app and that is it,,

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3 hours ago, BangkokAlan said:

I paid my property tax in Bangkok yesterday it is 0.2% of the governments assessed value which is about 60% of market value. There is a 90% reduction on the assessment for this year only. We have an agent paying today for our Pattaya units. I have total 6 units in Thailand and not received one letter for any of my unit.

 

If you get an agent to do this as you are out of Thailand just provide photocopy of Title deed, blue book even though it does not record Foreign names and a copy of your passport.

 

At the office they will input the details from the deed such as size and then give you the assessment of value and tax to be paid on a printout. The tax shown is then reduced by 90% when you actually pay.

 

For those that have received the letters showing tax due they can pay at KTB bank no need to attend your local tax office.

 

 

Can you confirm if the tax is indeed 0.2% of assessed value, as you mention, or 0.02% as indicated in an earlier post (no.18).

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