Land & Buildings Tax 2020

[Banana7 1,278]

Went to Pattaya City Hall to pay 2020 (2563) property taxes at 1:50 PM and finished at 5 p.m. Friday August 28, 2020.  Entered lower level at the front of the building. To pay taxes, you line-up in 3 different queues; yellow, orange and pink, in that order. There are no signs or instructions on what to do and there are multiple seating/waiting areas. There were 100-200 people in the waiting areas.

 

The yellow queue ticket is obtained at a small desk to the right of a doorway. It is used to get your documents checked and to obtain the orange queue ticket. The documents of most interest were chanote front page, chanote page showing last owner, the original tax notice describing your property and its use, passport photo page, blue house book pages that have writing. The processor takes your documents and gives you an orange ticket.

 

Queue callers, callout the next number for a particular queue. Numbers are only announced in Thai. The yellow queue caller was helpful if you showed your ticket to her, she would direct you to the appropriate processor.

 

After obtaining the orange ticket, about 30-45minutes later, your orange ticket number will be called in Thai language. The caller will give you a pink queue number and about 3 pages of documents for each chanote/condo. They will contain the price to be paid.

 

The pink queue is for the cashier, the area furthest from the building front door. There are 6 cashier stations, but never were all 6 in operations at the same time. The pink queue callers were least helpful. They would call a number, you show your ticket to them with the number they called, and they would keep walking away still calling the number. The pink queue has queue jumpers, assisted by the queue caller. The caller calls the next number to be serviced, takes the person’s ticket then points that person toward a cashier. The jump is accomplished when the caller approaches a “selected” person, and gives the current ticket in their hand to the “selected” person, who then becomes the next person to go to a cashier, as the number is called again. It seemed many tax payers had friends in the office that got to jump the queue.

 

 In summary, I wish they had a queue system like Jomtien Immigration where the queue calls are automated and shown on electronic signs.  Also they should increase cashiers to 20 fulltime. Finally, City Hall is not foreigner friendly; everything is in Thai language only.

[LuciusCornelius 18]

13 hours ago, Banana7 said:

Went to Pattaya City Hall to pay 2020 (2563) property taxes at 1:50 PM and finished at 5 p.m. Friday August 28, 2020.  Entered lower level at the front of the building. To pay taxes, you line-up in 3 different queues; yellow, orange and pink, in that order. There are no signs or instructions on what to do and there are multiple seating/waiting areas. There were 100-200 people in the waiting areas.

 

That looks like a total nightmare.  Makes me glad I did not not go.  I did not think the LINE option was at all viable, but it now seems to be the easiest and cheapest option.  

[LuciusCornelius 18]

I just received this from Admin at my Condo complex. It is of no benefit to me, but the option of Admin helping to get the receipts could help in 2021 if I succeed to learn the assessed liability for that year over LINE.

 

Dear:    Co-owners  

Title:    Extension of the payment period for Land and Building until October 2020. 

            Refers to announcement no: 033/2020

            According to announcement from The Pattaya City Hall on land and building tax for the year 2020 that was originally scheduled to be paid by end of September 2020, due to the large number of condo units paying. Therefore, The Pattaya City Hall has announced an extension of the payment period until October 2020. 

            However, for co-owners who are not staying in Thailand or in Pattaya, the building management has submitted a request for the amount to be paid to the Pattaya City Hall. This may take time to complete.  

            However, if the building management department receives the information back will inform to co-owners urgently.  

** Remark For the tax payment must be paid directly to Pattaya City Hall. The juristic person cannot act on their behalf. However, you can send us a proof of payment to management office,  we will help you to track receipts from Pattaya City Hall***  

   

[Leaver 5,410]

20 hours ago, Banana7 said:

Went to Pattaya City Hall to pay 2020 (2563) property taxes at 1:50 PM and finished at 5 p.m. Friday August 28, 2020.  Entered lower level at the front of the building. To pay taxes, you line-up in 3 different queues; yellow, orange and pink, in that order. There are no signs or instructions on what to do and there are multiple seating/waiting areas. There were 100-200 people in the waiting areas.

Can't this be paid online?  If not, why not?  How ridiculous?  

[Banana7 1,278]

On 8/28/2020 at 1:47 PM, LuciusCornelius said:

Clearly the Line method is viable then.  I certainly would have lacked the patience for that.  The accountant said they might never get back to us.  I will try using Line in March for the next payment.  If not I will go back to the accountant. Line is blocked in China, where I am based, which means messing around with a VPN on my phone to get it working.  Nothing is easy. 

Try the LINE option but be very patient. That accountant is trying to get more fees and business from you. Don't waste your money, there are much better services in Pattaya to spend your money on, especially the ladies, than an accountant. Try the LINE now, an answer would probably come within a week. If you are blocked, ask a friend in a free country to send the message on your behalf using LINE.

 

If you pay now before October, you'll save 90% of your 2020 tax bill and avoid penalties. Also you'll get an ballpark idea of your 2021 taxes, which should be less than 10% more than the 2020 taxes.

Edited August 29, 2020 by Banana7

[scubascuba3 10,468]

On 8/28/2020 at 2:24 PM, thaitero said:

For Pattaya you do not need any photocopies, agents etc,,

Just use line provided, have some patience ( for me 2-3 days replydelay for every chatcomment)

Tell your name and what you own you will receive amounts to pay, what bank to pay. You receive also 5 page long thailanguage pdf- document (i do not know what is in there besides taxamount owed). After payment send receipt of your payment using line app and that is it,,

What Line ID did you use?

[LuciusCornelius 18]

4 hours ago, Banana7 said:

Try the LINE option but be very patient. That accountant is trying to get more fees and business from you. Don't waste your money, there are much better services in Pattaya to spend your money on, especially the ladies, than an accountant. Try the LINE now, an answer would probably come within a week. If you are blocked, ask a friend in a free country to send the message on your behalf using LINE.

 

If you pay now before October, you'll save 90% of your 2020 tax bill and avoid penalties. Also you'll get an ballpark idea of your 2021 taxes, which should be less than 10% more than the 2020 taxes.

Next year I will use the LINE option.  I already paid for 2020 using the accountant.  Actually, from what i posted above, there seem to be at least the hint of a chance that admin will find out the amounts due on behalf of non-resident owners in my complex next year.  If I know that then I can easily pay as I have online banking in Thailand set up that can be used from overseas as it uses a QR code 2FA method instead of the Thai SMS method. Admin will definitely handle the getting of receipts.  They have already said that.  I am not sure if every condo will offer this though.

[thaitero 526]

Scubascuba 3 : It was that number you tried..

My quess is that maby they are overwhelmed of messages etc,, and do not accept "new friends" at the moment,,

 

[scubascuba3 10,468]

if they can't be bothered to send bills out I don't see why we should be bothered to waste time struggling to pay it, I'm out

[Leaver 5,410]

2 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

if they can't be bothered to send bills out I don't see why we should be bothered to waste time struggling to pay it, I'm out

I'm a happy renter.  

[Banana7 1,278]

17 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

What Line ID did you use?

Use what they call ID as the phone number in Thailand.

 

[Banana7 1,278]

3 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

if they can't be bothered to send bills out I don't see why we should be bothered to waste time struggling to pay it, I'm out

Guys like you will pay full price, plus penalties, plus interest and for good measure maybe 5-7 years back taxes too. Also put a lien on your property at the land office, which will cost another fee to remove. Thailand loves guys like you, ready to dish out more cash to multiple departments for nothing.

 

Edited August 30, 2020 by Banana7

[scubascuba3 10,468]

6 hours ago, Banana7 said:

Guys like you will pay full price, plus penalties, plus interest and for good measure maybe 5-7 years back taxes too. Also put a lien on your property at the land office, which will cost another fee to remove. Thailand loves guys like you, ready to dish out more cash to multiple departments for nothing.

 

Thailand loves guys like you, panicking over 200 baht, some of us don't sweat the small stuff

[jacko45k 17,224]

8 hours ago, Banana7 said:

Guys like you will pay full price, plus penalties, plus interest and for good measure maybe 5-7 years back taxes too. Also put a lien on your property at the land office, which will cost another fee to remove. Thailand loves guys like you, ready to dish out more cash to multiple departments for nothing.

 

Actually the way it works in Thailand is they get their hands on the easy money first and are too lazy to make the effort to chase the hard cases. Do you feel they have the ability to put liens on these condos? Like the police stops, argue a bit and you often get sent away for free.

[Henryford 4,981]

12 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

if they can't be bothered to send bills out I don't see why we should be bothered to waste time struggling to pay it, I'm out

If they don't send out bills (i haven't had one) how do you know how much to pay?