wensiensheng Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 I have no idea whether tourist will subject themselves to these requirements. Perhaps “tourists” who are not “tourists”, But people who live here using tourist status will do so. if proper tourists do in fact arrive, a couple of obvious concerns: 1. Will the a Thai authorities actually do what they are supposed to do, beyond the first week of operation. These things tend to fade out pretty quickly. 2. Will tourists really observe 14 days of quarantine? It seems doubtful to be honest, and then what about hotel workers who come into contact with tourists quarantined in the hotel. Are those workers also subject to quarantine? on the whole, trying to open Thailand to tourists seems a bit like pushing water uphill atm. It might be better to just write off the season like Bali has done, rather than keep a drip feed of unfounded hope keep percolating. but if tourists don’t come, it’s all moot anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GeorgeCross Posted August 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, Chiang Mai Bill said: And, as we hear, as Phuket, Samui, Pattaya, etc., are all pretty well closed down: no bars/shops/restaurants open -- and many hotels closed down -- I wonder what would entice tourists to holiday in these resorts? Perhaps the owners of the bars and restaurants will open up again ''in anticipation'' of the ''hoped for'' hordes??? phuket/samui are not amusement parks - they can't just be turned on with a touch of a button and the animatronics start dancing away. real people with real money will need to invest time and money to get each individual business back up & running again. i'm sorry, it's just not going to happen for a couple of hundred covid quarantine tourist arrivals per day. no chance. those that do make it through all the hoops & actually arrive, will be treated to a boarded up, unkept & bankrupt island. the "real" final nail in the coffin. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post spidermike007 Posted August 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2020 Total nonsense. The $100 billion (yes, about 3.3 trillion baht!) Thailand takes in from tourism annually reverberates out in countless ways. Even the rural folks benefit. Alot of the nicer houses in the poorer farming areas were built with money from expats. Alot of trucks, cars and income is from expats. Countless business employing many. To say it is insignificant, is a blatant misunderstanding of Thai economics. Thousands of hotels, restaurants, countless airlines and many tour companies, also benefit. This hapless administration needs to develop some courage and initiative. They can't hide from the world forever. Extreme timidity from supposedly tough men is an amusing thing to witness. However, the pain they are inflicting on millions is not. All people from all nations should be welcome starting tomorrow. If you are willing to endure quarantine, no restrictions whatsoever. No begging of a consulate for permission to visit. That is nonsensical stupidity. Are we dogs, or are we people? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerolamo Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 22 hours ago, Brunolem said: I can see a million arrivals in October, two million in November and three in December... at least... Seriously, this is an opportunity that is going to be used by two groups of foreigners, and only them: - those who have been waiting to come back to Thailand, where they usually reside - retirees and other non working people with time and money on their hands, looking to escape from the winter and a possible second wave of the virus in their own countries Altogether, we are talking about a few thousands people. a lot of money because of the stupid blackmail 5 stars hotel to stay and paid for 2 weeks. Why not a cheaper hotel or directly at my home ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VBF Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 4 hours ago, Surasak said: There is one other added difficulty, finding the insurance company who will supply the Covid19 cover !! Very seriously few and far between. That's actually the EASY bit, at least for we Brits, and probably other nationalities too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chongalulu Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 17 hours ago, Pilotman said: It seems more and more evident to me that Thailand, and this Military government in particular, have a long term plan to destroy, or at least severely limit the tourist industry and reduce it to a minor role in the economy. Tourism is around some 18% of GDP, so not a huge hit if they eliminate most of it. They probably see this as a way to shut out foreigners altogether as a first step, then eventually refuse retiring expats as step 2. Covid has provided the excuse and the means to achieve a much longer aim. Losing that % of GDP alongside all the infrastructure built over decades to support it is not minor,especially when other aspects of the economy are faltering too. Tourism suits a country with poor levels of education (see PISA educational tables) and modern skills . They have neither the wherewithal nor vision to address those fundamental drawbacks to replace that huge loss which would take a generation to improve. Thailand will watch its neighbours progress and expand at its expense until possibly the economic ramifications on poor folk spill over into political unrest. The outlook is not rosy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzzz Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, stuarty said: That's only 33000USD coverage, not 100,000USD? its coverage for expats here in Thailand as to obtain it u need be on a long term visa and only for covid " Illness with serious conditions or diseases caused by a corona virus infection. coverage 1,000,000 baht* Medical treatment from infections coverage 100,000 baht** Edited August 28, 2020 by zzzzz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wensiensheng Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: Total nonsense. The $100 billion (yes, about 3.3 trillion baht!) Thailand takes in from tourism annually reverberates out in countless ways. Even the rural folks benefit. Alot of the nicer houses in the poorer farming areas were built with money from expats. Alot of trucks, cars and income is from expats. Countless business employing many. To say it is insignificant, is a blatant misunderstanding of Thai economics. Thousands of hotels, restaurants, countless airlines and many tour companies, also benefit. This hapless administration needs to develop some courage and initiative. They can't hide from the world forever. Extreme timidity from supposedly tough men is an amusing thing to witness. However, the pain they are inflicting on millions is not. All people from all nations should be welcome starting tomorrow. If you are willing to endure quarantine, no restrictions whatsoever. No begging of a consulate for permission to visit. That is nonsensical stupidity. Are we dogs, or are we people? And when those people who are welcomed with open arms start to introduce covid cases potentially causing ALL aspects of the Thai economy to close down, what then? whats required is not fools courage, nor misguided initiative, what’s required is detailed data on the risks involved in allowing tourists in to the country and rigorous implementation of mitigation and monitoring processes. Whilst no fan of the current government, it seems this is pretty much what they have done. The question mark is over the implementation bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Rodriguez Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 they can be so funny in the meantime, people from myanmar, laos, cambodia, they don't need the 100k, they cannot pay for it and they are the slave labour for thais who don't want to do cheap dangerous work 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaiyen Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 There is still a huge problem with a missing link. There are no planes flying now and probably not for another year. Bet they didn't think about that ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daejung Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 7 hours ago, bluesofa said: 46 consonants - of which two are erroneously listed as 'not used' but which in reality can be. All down to the inventor of the Thai typewriter Edwin McFarland/Hunter who is responsible for deliberately not including the two on the keyboard. To my knowledge 44 consonants which includes obsolete ฃ and ฅ http://www.thai-language.com/ref/consonants + the vowels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicknoodle Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 In NZ it’s pretty much impossible to buy health travel insurance to cover Covid-19, and not possible to book any flights to thailand. So looks like I’m stuck here for now! 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daejung Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 6 hours ago, BritManToo said: 14 days quarantine at resort, OK ....... but make all food/drink/alcohol inclusive in the holiday price (no extortion). For Greece, only positive are on quarantine. At the expense of greek government. You don't have to pay for the hotel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 5 hours ago, ThailandRyan said: Must be a pizza on wheels in your mind...lol That's not a pizza, I can't say what it is because I'll get banned again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhaoYai Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 On 8/27/2020 at 9:49 AM, webfact said: Vice Governor Phichet explained that tourists wanting to come to Phuket must be approved by a Royal Thai Embassy and have evidence of COVID-19 test proving they are COVID-free within 72 hours before departing. Alternatively, they must present a ‘Fit to Fly’ or other documents proving they are free of infection. So, including the insurance, the requirements are just the same as the other 'allowed groups' - they can't make that work so there's no chance of this working either. I don't see anything about the flights yet but expect a requirement for using repat flights - not a hope! Better they just shut up and stop all this <deleted> until they are ready to fully open again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRToMRT Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Maddness, they should have wrapped this up with tour operators, i.e. Thai's Royal Orchid holidays to provide a package that included everything including flights, hotels, tests and visa fast track. This is now no different from the asq methodology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeCross Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 2 hours ago, wensiensheng said: And when those people who are welcomed with open arms start to introduce covid cases potentially causing ALL aspects of the Thai economy to close down, what then? whats required is not fools courage, nor misguided initiative, what’s required is detailed data on the risks involved in allowing tourists in to the country and rigorous implementation of mitigation and monitoring processes. Whilst no fan of the current government, it seems this is pretty much what they have done. The question mark is over the implementation bit. well, in fairness, they have no choice. its either 2 weeks fully segregated quarantine for all, no exceptions, or acceptance of covid outbreaks in the general populace. fluffy measures like 1km radius or shared hotel areas will just lead to the latter. decisions need to be made AND stuck too, someone is going to feel the pain whichever way they choose but better that than everybody suffering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daejung Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 44 minutes ago, aixois said: For Greece, only positive are on quarantine. At the expense of greek government. You don't have to pay for the hotel Hosting and accommodation is provided for free to quarantined/ self-isolated people. Moreover, free medical care is provided to those who need to be quarantined hospitalized or treated in medical establishments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeCross Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 1 hour ago, jaiyen said: There is still a huge problem with a missing link. There are no planes flying now and probably not for another year. Bet they didn't think about that ! businesses supply demand not the other way around. the planes will take off once the borders are opened and the tickets booked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 2 hours ago, wensiensheng said: And when those people who are welcomed with open arms start to introduce covid cases potentially causing ALL aspects of the Thai economy to close down, what then? whats required is not fools courage, nor misguided initiative, what’s required is detailed data on the risks involved in allowing tourists in to the country and rigorous implementation of mitigation and monitoring processes. Whilst no fan of the current government, it seems this is pretty much what they have done. The question mark is over the implementation bit. No, no, no, no. This hapless administration needs to develop some courage and initiative. They can't hide from the world forever. Extreme timidity from supposedly tough men is an amusing thing to witness. However, the pain they are inflicting on millions is not. All people from all nations should be welcome starting tomorrow. If you are willing to endure quarantine, no restrictions whatsoever. No begging of a consulate for permission to visit. That is nonsensical stupidity. With quarantine in place the risk is near zero. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 So tell me is China open for international tourists to visit. Answer that and you will see where Thailand is. Nowhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tribalfusion001 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Forget it, treating tourists like criminals. The days of jumping on a plane and getting a 30 day stamp are over, that's what I liked doing. It's not worth the hassle unless they make things easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeCross Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: All people from all nations should be welcome starting tomorrow. If you are willing to endure quarantine, no restrictions whatsoever. No begging of a consulate for permission to visit. That is nonsensical stupidity. With quarantine in place the risk is near zero. 100% agree with this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveCW Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 2 hours ago, spidermike007 said: All people from all nations should be welcome starting tomorrow. If you are willing to endure quarantine, no restrictions whatsoever. No begging of a consulate for permission to visit. That is nonsensical stupidity. Are we dogs, or are we people? Are you asking from a Thai or normal thinking persons perspective? You might have also given the option of "Dirty" Dog???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeCross Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: So tell me is China open for international tourists to visit. Answer that and you will see where Thailand is. Nowhere. not sure i get your point? China's restrictions are a near mirror image of Thailands https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/china/entry-requirements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicknoodle Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, jomtienisgood said: and not specifically Covid...; I looked at this insurance. It was 850 baht for 1m baht insurance for Covid-19 only. Not available to foreign tourists, that do not have a work permit or have not been in thailand for 6 months. So, unfortunately this insurance won’t be any good for the average traveller. Edited August 28, 2020 by Nicknoodle Found more info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicknoodle Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 3 hours ago, wensiensheng said: I have no idea whether tourist will subject themselves to these requirements. Perhaps “tourists” who are not “tourists”, But people who live here using tourist status will do so. if proper tourists do in fact arrive, a couple of obvious concerns: 1. Will the a Thai authorities actually do what they are supposed to do, beyond the first week of operation. These things tend to fade out pretty quickly. 2. Will tourists really observe 14 days of quarantine? It seems doubtful to be honest, and then what about hotel workers who come into contact with tourists quarantined in the hotel. Are those workers also subject to quarantine? on the whole, trying to open Thailand to tourists seems a bit like pushing water uphill atm. It might be better to just write off the season like Bali has done, rather than keep a drip feed of unfounded hope keep percolating. but if tourists don’t come, it’s all moot anyway. And be aware of the Thai police that will be extremely happy to find any excuse to collect some money from you. Already hearing ridiculous stories! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedenlars Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 On 8/27/2020 at 10:53 AM, mybeat said: Wasn't this model named 5R like a week ago and now it's 5T? For me it's 5 F. With some U's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose7117 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 1 hour ago, spidermike007 said: No, no, no, no. This hapless administration needs to develop some courage and initiative. They can't hide from the world forever. Extreme timidity from supposedly tough men is an amusing thing to witness. However, the pain they are inflicting on millions is not. All people from all nations should be welcome starting tomorrow. If you are willing to endure quarantine, no restrictions whatsoever. No begging of a consulate for permission to visit. That is nonsensical stupidity. With quarantine in place the risk is near zero. and if cases start to appear again ? New Zealand thought they were covid free ! they went down again. wherever the facts to back up your proclamations ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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