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2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Your assertion that the SNP is a fundamentally anti English entity, and that the desire for Scottish independence is driven by a hatred of the English.

I have a written post from a fellow Scots partitionist which I have shown you, I can show you it again if you've had a memory lapse, there are scores of the Scot Nationalists burning our union flag, banners with 'England out of Scotland' I would be very carefull when you throw your xenophobic accusations about, England does not have a Nationalist party in parliament like the SNP now does it. Ignore the evidence as much as you want RR, but at your own peril.

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Good luck Nicola. Let's do it this time.

It’s the time because you guys decided to go Brexit! Now you’re gonna reap what you’ve sewn! 

Majority of Scots now want independence and Brexiteers fly into a panic. If Scotland has such a huge deficit (it does not) why are you English/British nationalist so desperate to keep paying for

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2 minutes ago, vogie said:

I have a written post from a fellow Scots partitionist which I have shown you, I can show you it again if you've had a memory lapse, there are scores of the Scot Nationalists burning our union flag, banners with 'England out of Scotland' I would be very carefull when you throw your xenophobic accusations about, England does not have a Nationalist party in parliament like the SNP now does it. Ignore the evidence as much as you want RR, but at your own peril.

 

One example from a drive by poster, and one idiot who is roundly condemned by all and sundry is enough to denigrate 58% of my country? Fair enough, if that is how you think then so be it. It explains why you support Brexit, I suppose. 

 

OK next question - how do you interpret the burning of the UK flag as being anti English? I interpret it as being juvenile and embarrassing but it is no attack on the English as far as I can see. 

 

Your lack of knowledge of the difference between a National party and a Nationalist party is evident. I know that Johnson likes to try to be clever in his infantile way by calling them Nationalists, but that does not make it so. When I call his party the Nasty Party that is because the evidence to support that claim is overwhelming. He tries it with the SNP and it rings hollow because all he has are his fatuous words. 

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Just now, vogie said:

More and more English and European voters have moved to the indy side you say. Tell you what might be a fair and democratic way of doing things, why not let the Scots, no matter where they live, whether it be Berwick or Bierut to vote on the future of their country, could it be that Mrs Sturgeon doesn't expect them to vote her way?

 

I never said anything about being undemocratic. In fact, I support the limiting of the franchise to those who choose to live in and support the country. The result in 2014 was disappointing but it was certainly not undemocratic in how it was executed.

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Just now, RuamRudy said:

 

I never said anything about being undemocratic. In fact, I support the limiting of the franchise to those who choose to live in and support the country. The result in 2014 was disappointing but it was certainly not undemocratic in how it was executed.

All Scots should have a say on the future of their country, do you agree?

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7 minutes ago, vogie said:

All Scots should have a say on the future of their country, do you agree?

 

They should be allowed to freely express an opinion, but if they do not live there and do not contribute to it in normal manner then I do not agree that they should be allowed to have a vote on its future. 

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5 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

They should be allowed to freely express an opinion, but if they do not live there and do not contribute to it in normal manner then I do not agree that they should be allowed to have a vote on its future. 

But, foreigners that are working/living in Scotland can vote and the next day retire and/or just move back to their own country, a Scot working/living outside Scotland may do the same and return to his birthplace, yet you say they should not be able to vote on their own birthplace yet a departing foreigner can...... Total nonsense...😬

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21 minutes ago, vogie said:

All Scots should have a say on the future of their country, do you agree?

You mean in the same manner of excluding 700,000 UK citizens from the right to vote in Brexit?  (i.e. those making use of the right of abode anywhere in the EU - those most directly affected by Brexit).

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2 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

You mean in the same manner of excluding 700,000 UK citizens from the right to vote in Brexit?  (i.e. those making use of the right of abode anywhere in the EU - those most directly affected by Brexit).

Who couldn't vote on Brexit....?

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17 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

I expect you will have the same attitude if the referendum in Scotland excludes Scottish citizens similarly residing in England as well.  (i.e. those taking advantage of free movement of labour).

Read my post ...

 

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44 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

You mean in the same manner of excluding 700,000 UK citizens from the right to vote in Brexit?  (i.e. those making use of the right of abode anywhere in the EU - those most directly affected by Brexit).

By anybodies standards 15 years to vote is better than none, I know it's not perfect, in my opinion we should never lose the right to vote, after all we don't lose the right to pay our taxes do we.

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