Biden leads Trump by 12 points nationally among likely voters - Reuters/Ipsos poll

[MajarTheLion]

1 hour ago, Laza 45 said:

No not because Joe Biden says so.. because Trump admitted on tape to Woodward that he knew the virus was deadly and easily spread at the same time he was telling American people that it was a hoax.. Trump abandoned his responsibility to all of America and undermined the governors and prevented them from receiving the information and equipment they needed. But of course you will continue to believe that it is all a hoax   and anti Trump conspiracy... Amazing! 

I request that you not make personal attacks, especially ones in which you presume to tell me what I believe. Specifically, I have never believed the virus is a hoax. Please stop.

 

As for the Woodward recording, I have not heard it. Therefore, I cannot address it. However, I will say I am suspicious about the claims made.

[Damual Travesty]

6 hours ago, shdmn said:

Living with that much denial must be like cancer to your soul.

There is no cancer on my soul sir. None. There is no denial in my post. Now feel free to comment on United States policy that you would prefer, or reasons why you think an election will go one way or the other and please leave my soul out of it. Thank you.

[Damual Travesty]

4 hours ago, Susco said:

 

He achieved that during his inauguration speech.

This is yet another comment that obviously is just an insult that serves no other purpose other then to insult. - a childish "Oh yeah and you are poo poo" comment. We are grown adults here are we not? If you really are making a claim that the inauguration speech of Trump marked a failed Presidency it would take further elaboration but that isn't really the topic here is it? Regarding the topic, a strong case can be made that the polls were quite wrong leading up to the 2016 election of Donald Trump and therefore perhaps the same thing can be said for polls today - regardless of who they say is leading. As has been said before, polls do not capture correctly if people are simply lying when they say who they are going to vote for. In fact in an era when pollsters are no longer seen as independent honest organizations above the political fray as they once were, it could be argued that they are no longer useful at all. The polling companies won't say that of course because that would put there livelihood into jeopardy, but the reality is that Americans no longer put any trust or respect into polling companies, and treat them as such. Once a substantial portion of Americans begin to lie, regarding their candidate of choice, or party affiliation - well - the poll is meaningless. One way or the other. But as for National sentiment - we all can call it as we see it perhaps based upon perceived enthusiasm. Does that sound reasonable?

Edited September 9, 2020 by Damual Travesty
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[Damual Travesty]

2 hours ago, Laza 45 said:

No not because Joe Biden says so.. because Trump admitted on tape to Woodward that he knew the virus was deadly and easily spread at the same time he was telling American people that it was a hoax.. Trump abandoned his responsibility to all of America and undermined the governors and prevented them from receiving the information and equipment they needed. But of course you will continue to believe that it is all a hoax   and anti Trump conspiracy... Amazing! 

Trump never said the virus was a Hoax. he said the way the media was covering the virus was a hoax.

[Boon Mee]

12 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

12 points lead, about the same as Hillary then ????

Utter delusional they are. 

A Trump landslide of Biblical proportions is in the offing. 

 

MAGA 

[Tug]

21 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Utter delusional they are. 

A Trump landslide of Biblical proportions is in the offing. 

 

MAGA 

Ahhhh ok if you say so..............

[Sharp]

Biden couldn't lead a pony!!

[robblok]

5 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

Biden leads Trump by 12 points nationally among likely voters - Reuters/Ipsos poll

 

The headline, and thus the story, is mostly irrelevant because the United States of America does not elect presidents using a national popular vote. And we haven't even gotten into how the polls were worse than this for Trump in 2016. So obviously, credibility is an issue as well.

Yes bit strange country that the one with the most votes does not win. Seems hardly democratic. 

[shdmn]

31 minutes ago, Tug said:

Ahhhh ok if you say so..............

There is a good reason bunker boy thinks his supporters are losers and suckers. One of the few things I agree with him on.

 

They can't troll worth a damn either.  That person you responded to is a perfect example of that.

Edited September 10, 2020 by shdmn

[Isaan sailor]

Lest we forget: CCP, Antifa and BLM all support Biden.

[Scott]

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[polpott]

52 minutes ago, Sharp said:

Biden couldn't lead a pony!!

Well he's leading Trump....12 points and counting.

[polpott]

17 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Lest we forget: CCP, Antifa and BLM all support Biden.

And Putin, KKK and NRA support Trump.

[crobe]

14 minutes ago, polpott said:

And Putin, KKK and NRA support Trump.

Ah the KKK - wasn't that the one Trump's father, Fred, was arrested for being a member of?

[Jingthing]

9 minutes ago, crobe said:

Ah the KKK - wasn't that the one Trump's father, Fred, was arrested for being a member of?

Well to be fair he was arrested in the vicinity of a KKK event but it has never been documented that he was actually a member.

[Jingthing]

28 minutes ago, polpott said:

Well he's leading Trump....12 points and counting.

Yeah and for all the poo pooing of polls by the 45 fans you know full well they would be obnoxiously crowing and talking about their love of liberal tears if polls were showing their dear leader up 12 points. 

 

Hypocrisy much?

[polpott]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah and for all the poo pooing of polls by the 45 fans you know full well they would be obnoxiously crowing and talking about their love of liberal tears if polls were showing their dear leader up 12 points. 

 

Hypocrisy much?

No, just par for the course.

[bendejo]

1 hour ago, Sharp said:

Biden couldn't lead a pony!!

Hopefully he can beat a jackass.

 

 

[Baerboxer]

12 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Good point but there is a key difference. Among the people that hated both 45 and HRC the majority voted for 45. But polling shows among the people that hate both 45 and Biden the majority plan to vote for Biden. There are a lot of people that hate both but Biden doesn't inspire the passionate hatred that HRC did.

 

Wow! Not just in the US but in other democracies, it seems to be coming down for voting for the candidate / party that you dislike the least.

 

What on earth has happened in our Western style democracies? Where are all the high quality leaders?

 

Sad, given that the alternative seems the no choice totalitarianism and sham elections offered by China, Russia, Belarus, Venezuela etc.

 

Are we on the cusp of a major change in world politics? 

[Silurian]

Pence is going to attend a QAnon hosted fundraiser.

 

Pence to attend event hosted by QAnon backers

 

Ah, QAnon, just Nazism in new clothes. 

 

QAnon is a Nazi Cult, Rebranded

 

So now the GOP has the QAnon/Nazi faction funding Donald's campaign. One can definitely see the direction that the GOP and its supporters are moving towards.

 

 

[bendejo]

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Well to be fair he was arrested in the vicinity of a KKK event but it has never been documented that he was actually a member.

Probably too cheap to join.

There was a book freakanomics a few years back that (among other things) described the way the KKK extracts money from its chumps members.

 

 

[Curt1591]

In an environment where people with no apparent political affiliation are harassed by protesters, for simply having dinner at a restaurant, many Trump supporters don't choose to voice their opinions. They may also decline to partake in surveys or polls. 

[bendejo]

7 minutes ago, Silurian said:

Pence is going to attend a QAnon hosted fundraiser.

 

Pence to attend event hosted by QAnon backers

Sounds like it'll be a superspreader.

They prey upon people who aren't smart enough to know better, like this

https://www.thedailybeast.com/qanon-incited-her-to-kidnap-her-son-and-then-hid-her-from-the-law

 

On the other hand being 'smart enough to know better' can be considered part of the Darwinism of these times. 

 

 

[Ireland32]

14 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

What else does he have to do before those 40% won't back him anymore? [Deleted] Amazing USA.

Well I don’t think he will get armed forces behind him , Despicable Treatment of Them

[J Town]

15 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

Wow! Not just in the US but in other democracies, it seems to be coming down for voting for the candidate / party that you dislike the least.

 

What on earth has happened in our Western style democracies? Where are all the high quality leaders?

 

Sad, given that the alternative seems the no choice totalitarianism and sham elections offered by China, Russia, Belarus, Venezuela etc.

 

Are we on the cusp of a major change in world politics? 

South Park had an entire episode on this where it came down to having to vote for either a douche or a turd sandwich. It's been this way for decades.

[Smigel]

5 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

Here are just three of many:

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/26/best-things-trump-has-done/

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/6/giving-trumps-accomplishments-their-due/

Not to mention his much deserved nomination for the Nobel peace prize. 

He won't be awarded it though, too much push back from the demented leftists. 

Where as Saint Obama was awarded it for what exactly, oh yeah, being the first black president. 

[Baerboxer]

"Four years ago, Democrat Hillary Clinton got almost 3 million more votes than Trump, only to see her Republican rival narrowly win the Electoral College and the presidency."

 

According to Google, Clinton received 2.868686 million more votes; 2.09% of the votes more than Trump.

 

Trump won 304 Electoral College votes and Clinton 227. That's 33.9% more, which Reuters claim is "narrowly win"!

 

Great example of words deliberately intended to mislead. Reuters no longer report impartially or factually. Sadly, neither do many former prestigious media organizations. BBC can be caught out regularly too.

 

Just one example but nowadays you have to check the veracity of "the news" more than ever.

[J Town]

5 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Pence is going to attend a QAnon hosted fundraiser.

I thought you were joking. It's verified by multiple websites. How the hell did we ever get here?

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, J Town said:

South Park had an entire episode on this where it came down to having to vote for either a douche or a turd sandwich. It's been this way for decades.

 

Does make you wonder if politicians have always been like it; but the information was better hidden in the past.

[Jingthing]

20 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Wow! Not just in the US but in other democracies, it seems to be coming down for voting for the candidate / party that you dislike the least.

 

What on earth has happened in our Western style democracies? Where are all the high quality leaders?

 

Sad, given that the alternative seems the no choice totalitarianism and sham elections offered by China, Russia, Belarus, Venezuela etc.

 

Are we on the cusp of a major change in world politics? 

Voting for the lesser of two evils is as old as democracy.