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3 hours ago, baansgr said:

It's the world over...and it ain't gonna get any better soon...Phuket, Pattaya etc will take years to even be a shadow of their former selfes.

They could just put up the prices to make good the shortfall, these people have no idea.

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3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This hapless administration needs to develop some courage and initiative. They can't hide from the world forever. Extreme timidity from supposedly tough men is an amusing thing to witness. However, the pain they are inflicting on millions is not. ALL people from ALL nations should be welcome starting tomorrow. If you are willing to endure quarantine, no restrictions whatsoever. No begging of a consulate for permission to visit. That is nonsensical stupidity. Where is the dignity or common sense in that?

 

There are alot of expats who continue to support their local establishments, and it is just enough for them to remain in business. Some domestic tourists are picking up the slack. Otherwise, the nation is hurting. Some places seem to be thriving, while most are just hanging on. Spending is way, way down. Income is way, way down. Government assistance and creative programs to help the lower income majority, is virtually non existent. So, where is all of this going to lead when they cannot even agree to let ANY and ALL foreigners in, who are willing to pay for, and subject themselves to quarantine? Such timidity and a stunning lack of courage on the part of the administration. So weak. So incompetent. My heart goes out to the average Thai. 

 

One thing is for certain. The longer they wait to normalize tourism, the fewer people will come back. The masses have a short memory. It is my prediction that tourism will not recover even close to it's former levels here, within our lifetimes. Although that is a good thing for most of us, it is a tragedy for millions of Thais working in the industry. 

"It is my prediction that tourism will not recover even close to it's former levels here, within our lifetimes."  A sadly and overstated comment in my opinion.  When the Tsunami created havoc in Phuket many years ago, the predictions were that Phuket would never recover and even if it did the Tourists would not return.  Last year they had more Tourists than ever.  Sugest you grow a pair and start being positive, with due respect! 

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5 minutes ago, robertson468 said:

"It is my prediction that tourism will not recover even close to it's former levels here, within our lifetimes."  A sadly and overstated comment in my opinion.  When the Tsunami created havoc in Phuket many years ago, the predictions were that Phuket would never recover and even if it did the Tourists would not return.  Last year they had more Tourists than ever.  Sugest you grow a pair and start being positive, with due respect! 

I don't remember a world-wide tsnami!

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Waiting while circling the drain. Since this is a worldwide problem sometimes it's better just to give up. There is no course of action that is suddenly going to produce a herd of foreigners. The government could supply money to beautify the area, clear up the rubbish, get rid of the gaudy signs etc. Chiang Mai was once known as the rose of the North but like Koh Samui it has been ruined by greed and the never ending flow of tourists. It may now return to what it once was.

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I know not Phuket, but in Pattaya was out walking near Soi 2 and 3 Beach road areas yesterday.

There were a group of nicely dressed Koreans walking around the Sois escorted by a Thai man.  They were looking at closed businesses and empty buildings, walking in and out, looking from different angles it appeared to me they were inspecting them for possible investment purposes.

If I were in the market for a business or commercial real estate, I think things here are close to a bottom.

It is not going to be like this forever and when negativity and pessimism are at their lowest, it is a good time to jump in.  I guess we will see, but I think those willing to take a chance may reap some nice profits in a few years.

 

 

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23 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

 

I know not Phuket, but in Pattaya was out walking near Soi 2 and 3 Beach road areas yesterday.

There were a group of nicely dressed Koreans walking around the Sois escorted by a Thai man.  They were looking at closed businesses and empty buildings, walking in and out, looking from different angles it appeared to me they were inspecting them for possible investment purposes.

If I were in the market for a business or commercial real estate, I think things here are close to a bottom.

It is not going to be like this forever and when negativity and pessimism are at their lowest, it is a good time to jump in.  I guess we will see, but I think those willing to take a chance may reap some nice profits in a few years.

 

 

Interesting looking at land and houses that they cant even own..

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Place looks like the city in the I am legend movie !!

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1 hour ago, robertson468 said:

"It is my prediction that tourism will not recover even close to it's former levels here, within our lifetimes."  A sadly and overstated comment in my opinion.  When the Tsunami created havoc in Phuket many years ago, the predictions were that Phuket would never recover and even if it did the Tourists would not return.  Last year they had more Tourists than ever.  Sugest you grow a pair and start being positive, with due respect! 

I am a very positive person. But, positivity without a factual basis is simply blind faith. 

 

The tsunami was a completely different kind of event. The nation did not deliberately shut itself down. And alot has happened in those intervening years. Yes, Thailand could brag about big arrival numbers. But quantity over quality only works if you are selling at a swap meet. If the big numbers were a sign of such success, why was nearly everyone in the industry complaining? 

 

Everyone in the tourism industry I have spoken with, including F&B friends and GM's, down to guest house and bar owners say the same thing. Quality is dropping, income is dropping, and occupancy is dropping. And all of that was before Covid. Now? Teo years from now? Ten years from now? 

 

There are countless things the government could be doing, if they wanted to attract the high quality tourists, and go for quality over quantity. Rich tourists like to spend money when they travel. And they cannot do that here, as they do not like getting taken for a ride. Most wealthy people are smart with their money. Thailand could be making a fortune on a 25% luxury tax. Instead of the 100% of more, which discourages most people from buying. How many people do you see in the luxury stores here? They are almost always completely empty. Inane. Beyond inane.

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2 hours ago, Boomer6969 said:

You are out of you mind, why would you come to a country where a minor misdemeanour, such as handling a sea slug, gets you into jail for weeks, to be deported and separated from your family. This is a fact and a reflection of the pervasive xenophobia against westerners in Thailand. We aren't missed here, our money is, and only by a minority.

And God forbid that you enjoy a Game of Darts or a Game of Cards with your friends ( not for Money )

That will get you run in to the Local Police Station PDQ

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Wait and you will also be able to see the forest through the trees, if you have your rose colored glasses on.  Wearing those HD vision glasses is what this Government wears when they want to see all the empty business and beaches full.

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4 hours ago, JusticeGB said:

The Government's priority is to keep the numbers down to make Thailand a safe country for tourists. It's second priority is to ensure that no infected person can come and that everyone coming must prove to the Thai people that they are not infected. These two aims are diametrically opposed so tourists won't come as they don't want the bureaucratic hassle of paperwork in order to come and the compulsory 2 weeks of effective jail time in an expensive hotel.

Correct. There should be zero restrictions on tourists willing to endure the sentence. No risk. No downside for Thailand. Yet the timidity and cowardice continue, unabated. There may be some long term tourists and certainly some returning expats, willing to spend the money and stay awhile. Nothing but income and upside for the nation. Nothing but a benefit to the people. And yet? 

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3 hours ago, Boomer6969 said:

You are out of you mind, why would you come to a country where a minor misdemeanour, such as handling a sea slug, gets you into jail for weeks, to be deported and separated from your family. This is a fact and a reflection of the pervasive xenophobia against westerners in Thailand. We aren't missed here, our money is, and only by a 

No problem just don't do what is forbidden.

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2 hours ago, Jimbo2014 said:

Short term pain for long term gain.  A chance to rethink the rampant and uncontrolled tourism, the rabid greed that has resulted in the destruction of beaches, the environment and the general loss of beauty of the island.

Agree with your post although I have only just quoted a snippet from it, however I did this because the sad thing about all of this is that the very same people in power and in positions of power here in Phuket will still be here running the place in the future, therefore the greed and corruption which has been responsible for running this place almost into the ground, will still be lining the pockets of the powerful and well-connected.

 

The poor Thais who thought that opening a small business in Patong/Phuket would secure their future, are the ones who are struggling now, and will be for years to come.

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4 hours ago, KarenBravo said:

Well.....that went over a couple of heads.

 

It's a pun, in fact two puns on the word "milling".

Flour trader = Miller.

Hat maker = Millinery.

I get that there's a pun in there about millers, but I thought it was a veiled clue to the identity of the 2 VIP Frenchies who arrived secretly.

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