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5 hours ago, khunphil said:

I think this can be quite true, as I was on a long week-end flight BKK to Phuket-Patong 1 month ago. BUT they will not go to Patong/Kata/Karon, which are ghost towns. Meaning ... no restaurant or easy to buy Thai food (Luckily they can buy Panda and Grab food), and also in Thai mind, a "bad"reputation of drunks and noisy people. I can imagine some northern beaches, near airport, attracts more Thai people. But the BKK-HKT A320 was full .

By the way, Rawai was living, restaurant, coffee shops.

Phil.

 

Not tonight, I've just drove from Rawai up the main road I dont think I've ever seen it so quiet even the market

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With a constantly rising Baht—forgettaboutit.

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4 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

With a constantly rising Baht—forgettaboutit.

Actually boggles the mind to see the Baht strengthen in times of economic crisis.  Lets see, my store is loosing customers, yet the prices keep on rising as the Baht gets stronger.  How does this track.   Of course they are not printing money left and right like the west and Europe does, but there cash reserves should be about depleted on which they use as a bargaining chip to stave off inflation.

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1 hour ago, Isaan sailor said:

With a constantly rising Baht—forgettaboutit.

100 to the pound will have brits fighting to get back in ,just like 97

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15 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This hapless administration needs to develop some courage and initiative. They can't hide from the world forever. Extreme timidity from supposedly tough men is an amusing thing to witness. However, the pain they are inflicting on millions is not. ALL people from ALL nations should be welcome starting tomorrow. If you are willing to endure quarantine, no restrictions whatsoever. No begging of a consulate for permission to visit. That is nonsensical stupidity. Where is the dignity or common sense in that?

 

There are alot of expats who continue to support their local establishments, and it is just enough for them to remain in business. Some domestic tourists are picking up the slack. Otherwise, the nation is hurting. Some places seem to be thriving, while most are just hanging on. Spending is way, way down. Income is way, way down. Government assistance and creative programs to help the lower income majority, is virtually non existent. So, where is all of this going to lead when they cannot even agree to let ANY and ALL foreigners in, who are willing to pay for, and subject themselves to quarantine? Such timidity and a stunning lack of courage on the part of the administration. So weak. So incompetent. My heart goes out to the average Thai. 

 

One thing is for certain. The longer they wait to normalize tourism, the fewer people will come back. The masses have a short memory. It is my prediction that tourism will not recover even close to it's former levels here, within our lifetimes. Although that is a good thing for most of us, it is a tragedy for millions of Thais working in the industry. 

And subject themselves to quarantine ? Over my dead body.

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19 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

the prices keep on rising as the Baht gets stronger.  How does this track.

 

You just answered your own question.

 

19 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

they are not printing money left and right like the west and Europe does

 

The west are diluting their currencies as if there is no tomorrow, by printing money for stimulus, and I believe, you ain't seen nothing yet

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Want tourists and the 14 day arrival quarantine?
Here's the answer.
Have the government pay the costs of the 14 day confinement.  The only requirement is for the person to stay for 3 more weeks at the hotel of their choice.
No tricks. Period.
Start it immediately and run it as long as the quarantine is required.

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On 9/10/2020 at 3:32 AM, KarenBravo said:

Well.....that went over a couple of heads.

 

It's a pun, in fact two puns on the word "milling".

Flour trader = Miller.

Hat maker = Millinery.

Odd as I used to be a flour trader, as I needed the "dough".......I was a Pilot, Id take one bag of flour from one corner and "Pilot" in the other corner......Had to keep this job as I was fired from the mattress factory for sleeping on the job......and sadly prior to that canned from the bean factory and squeezed from my gig at the orange juice gig , as they said I couldnt concentrate........dont forget to tip your waitress, I'll be here all week

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On 9/10/2020 at 11:00 AM, spidermike007 said:

This hapless administration needs to develop some courage and initiative. They can't hide from the world forever. Extreme timidity from supposedly tough men is an amusing thing to witness. However, the pain they are inflicting on millions is not. ALL people from ALL nations should be welcome starting tomorrow. If you are willing to endure quarantine, no restrictions whatsoever. No begging of a consulate for permission to visit. That is nonsensical stupidity. Where is the dignity or common sense in that?

 

There are alot of expats who continue to support their local establishments, and it is just enough for them to remain in business. Some domestic tourists are picking up the slack. Otherwise, the nation is hurting. Some places seem to be thriving, while most are just hanging on. Spending is way, way down. Income is way, way down. Government assistance and creative programs to help the lower income majority, is virtually non existent. So, where is all of this going to lead when they cannot even agree to let ANY and ALL foreigners in, who are willing to pay for, and subject themselves to quarantine? Such timidity and a stunning lack of courage on the part of the administration. So weak. So incompetent. My heart goes out to the average Thai. 

 

One thing is for certain. The longer they wait to normalize tourism, the fewer people will come back. The masses have a short memory. It is my prediction that tourism will not recover even close to it's former levels here, within our lifetimes. Although that is a good thing for most of us, it is a tragedy for millions of Thais working in the industry. 

I for one am really happy that my daughter can go back to school, factories are reopening, I can buy a beer in my local M&P shop. I also like giving the wife's family members some work on our land to help out. Do I care about the pimp gogo bar owners, brothel keepers and those that catered to the Thai Underbelly bemoaning their lack of income. Not a jot. 90% of Thai economy getting back on its feet, do you want to destroy it the same way Europe has done by opening too early??

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On 9/10/2020 at 2:56 PM, webfact said:

"Patong is not a destination for Thais," said boutique hotel owner Pimphisaporn.

Yeah. Thais are not that dumb.

 

Thai boutique hotel= old dump with a bit of paint, tarted up reception and a big price increase.

 

Pimphisaporn

5555555555555555.

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On 9/10/2020 at 4:00 PM, spidermike007 said:

This hapless administration needs to develop some courage and initiative. They can't hide from the world forever. Extreme timidity from supposedly tough men is an amusing thing to witness. However, the pain they are inflicting on millions is not. ALL people from ALL nations should be welcome starting tomorrow. If you are willing to endure quarantine, no restrictions whatsoever. No begging of a consulate for permission to visit. That is nonsensical stupidity. Where is the dignity or common sense in that?

 

There are alot of expats who continue to support their local establishments, and it is just enough for them to remain in business. Some domestic tourists are picking up the slack. Otherwise, the nation is hurting. Some places seem to be thriving, while most are just hanging on. Spending is way, way down. Income is way, way down. Government assistance and creative programs to help the lower income majority, is virtually non existent. So, where is all of this going to lead when they cannot even agree to let ANY and ALL foreigners in, who are willing to pay for, and subject themselves to quarantine? Such timidity and a stunning lack of courage on the part of the administration. So weak. So incompetent. My heart goes out to the average Thai. 

 

One thing is for certain. The longer they wait to normalize tourism, the fewer people will come back. The masses have a short memory. It is my prediction that tourism will not recover even close to it's former levels here, within our lifetimes. Although that is a good thing for most of us, it is a tragedy for millions of Thais working in the industry. 

None of the above can overlook that Thailand just wasn't a good deal any more. Other than the horde, what discerning tourist is willing to go there any more? The reasons are well known, so I don't need to repeat them, but till the Thai leaders admit that there are fundamental problems with Thai tourism as it was and sort it from bottom to top ( and most of the problems originate at the top ), they can fool themselves, but I doubt they will see tourism return to anywhere near the same numbers of western tourists if they think they can rely on the same broken infrastructure to attract western tourists.

Up to them, but for myself, the dream is over and I see no reason why I'd want to go back, and for many decades I never thought LOS would ever get so bad as it did before I left.

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13 hours ago, Is this real said:

Want tourists and the 14 day arrival quarantine?
Here's the answer.
Have the government pay the costs of the 14 day confinement.  The only requirement is for the person to stay for 3 more weeks at the hotel of their choice.
No tricks. Period.
Start it immediately and run it as long as the quarantine is required.

Sooooo- you want people not infected to stay at the same hotel as new arrivals. Not I ( Chances of them actually staying in a room for 14 days would be 0 IMO ).

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48 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

None of the above can overlook that Thailand just wasn't a good deal any more. Other than the horde, what discerning tourist is willing to go there any more? The reasons are well known, so I don't need to repeat them, but till the Thai leaders admit that there are fundamental problems with Thai tourism as it was and sort it from bottom to top ( and most of the problems originate at the top ), they can fool themselves, but I doubt they will see tourism return to anywhere near the same numbers of western tourists if they think they can rely on the same broken infrastructure to attract western tourists.

Up to them, but for myself, the dream is over and I see no reason why I'd want to go back, and for many decades I never thought LOS would ever get so bad as it did before I left.

 

True that. There are countless things the government could be doing, if they wanted to attract the high quality tourists. The very first thing would be to repeal the anti farang wine bill, that was passed by a few very corrupt senators way back when, to protect an anemic local wine industry. They are losing billions of dollars a year in revenue, that would be had from a 100% wine duty, instead of 360%. The five star hotels would have major wine events, and the entire industry would flourish here. Billions would be earned by a wine industry that is 7 times larger than the current one, with only a third of the tax. Basic numbers. 

 

Thailand just cannot attract very many affluent, and higher end tourists anymore. The focus on quantity over quality will continue to erode the nation on countless levels. More is rarely better. It just lowers the quality of life for nearly everyone, creates more congestion, more smog, more traffic, longer lines at immigration, and makes life difficult, especially in the big cities. There are countless things the government could be doing, if they wanted to attract the high quality tourists, and go for quality over quantity. Rich tourists like to spend money when they travel. And they cannot do that here, as they do not like getting taken for a ride. Most wealthy people are smart with their money. Thailand could be making a fortune on a 25% luxury tax. Instead of the 100% of more, which discourages most people from buying anything. How many people do you see in the luxury stores here? They are almost always completely empty. Inane. Beyond inane. 

 

Quantity over quality is never a good thing, unless you are selling one dollar items at a swap meet. It just lowers the quality of the experience for all.

 

This is an emergency situation. It needs to be dealt with, and it needs a high degree of intelligence and competence. Not something Prayuth or Pipat possess. Someone else needs to handle this, and it needs to be handled yesterday!

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