Any rejections with embassy letter?

[Benitostacos]

I was wondering if there have been any reports of people not receiving a 30 day extension (or consideration stamp) with a recent embassy letter (with a date)....and essentially told to go home.

[misterphil]

Yes,

 

I wrote about this yesterday. 
 

Quote #9

 

 

[Benitostacos]

 

4 hours ago, misterphil said:

Yes,

 

I wrote about this yesterday. 
 

Quote #9

 

 

Sorry to hear about your situation. Some IO's can be a real pain in the ass. Hope everything works out for you.

Edited September 12, 2020 by Benitostacos

[Letseng]

2 hours ago, Benitostacos said:

 

Sorry to hear about your situation. Some IO's can be a real pain in the ass. Hope everything works out for you.

Why can't Brits go home?

[billd766]

25 minutes ago, Letseng said:

Why can't Brits go home?

For many of us Brits, Thailand is our home.

 

It is where we live with our Thai families.

Edited September 12, 2020 by billd766
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[utalkin2me]

41 minutes ago, Letseng said:

Why can't Brits go home?

Why do Brits need to go home?

[misterphil]

47 minutes ago, Letseng said:

Why can't Brits go home?

Home is Thailand. 

[DrJack54]

31 minutes ago, billd766 said:

For many of us Brits, Thailand is our home.

 

It is where we live with our Thai families.

So what visa did you last enter Thailand.

Guessing ME based on marriage. 

Why have you not obtained annual extension based on marriage. Since covid.

Please don't say 400k is an issue.

[DrJack54]

18 minutes ago, misterphil said:

Home is Thailand. 

Then obtain the appropriate non o followed by reason to live in Thailand.

It's not difficult, even for guys currently with ME based on marriage.

[ubonjoe]

8 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Then obtain the appropriate non o followed by reason to live in Thailand.

It's not difficult, even for guys currently with ME based on marriage.

I think many already have a no-o vias which is actually the correct visa to have if married to a Thai.

There are many that for various reasons had a multiple entry visa and had no problems with using it. Do you think people should of had a crystal ball or something to predict that they would not be able to leave and re-enter the country.

I assume you may be incorrectly calling a extension of stay based upon marriage a visa. That requires 400k baht in a Thai bank for 2 months or proof of 40k baht income. Many people were not prepared to be able to show either of those. Some may have the 40k baht income but are unable to show 12 months of transfers from abroad that many immigration offices want. Not everybody is prepared to put 400k bath in a bank either (no Thai bank account or funds locked up in investment and etc).

There are many extenuating circumstances caused by the pandemic that nobody could predict.

What could help many people on multiple entry visas would be to allow more than one 60 day extension per entry. Some offices have already done it and there is a clause in the immigration order allows it to be easily waived.

[DrJack54]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

There are many that for various reasons had a multiple entry visa and had no problems with using it. Do you think people should of had a crystal ball or something to predict that they would not be able to leave and re-enter the country.

First of all if I were married I would have an ME marriage visa as I exit/re-enter Thailand so often. The thing is during amnesty it was clear that that visa was off the menu for time being. The ME guys have simple process to change to annual extension based on marriage. The best way was to have 400k in the bank for 2 months given the way that some io were requiring 12 months of income. When it's approved and final stamp given they can start using the money. 

Then we have the daily posts of "they are breaking up families.....I have to leave my wife and kids" etc. 400k is under $13000 USD. IMO anyone that can't put their hands on that amount of money especially living in another country is reckless. It's called planning.

[ubonjoe]

15 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

The thing is during amnesty it was clear that that visa was off the menu for time being. The ME guys have simple process to change to annual extension based on marriage. 

There is still the problem of uncertainty for many people. Since all of this started in March there was a lot of unknowns as to when the borders would open again.

 

23 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

The ME guys have simple process to change to annual extension based on marriage.

I wouldn't call it a simple process for many people.

Even opening a bank account can be a problem if the they don't have one already. Many people used a ATM card to get their funds.

 

21 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

The best way was to have 400k in the bank for 2 months given the way that some io were requiring 12 months of income. When it's approved and final stamp given they can start using the money. 

As I wrote before some people might have a problem bringing in 400k baht. 

Immigration has created the problem for those that cannot get proof of income from their embassies. They wrote an example of 2 months of funds transfers that was not very clear that opened the doors to some office refusing to accept them and then the poorly written proof of the source of the income.

[sjbrownderby]

2 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

What could help many people on multiple entry visas would be to allow more than one 60 day extension per entry. Some offices have already done it and there is a clause in the immigration order allows it to be easily waived.

I was on a non-O multi entry visa that was due to expire on Dec24th. I tried to do a border crossing just as the border was closing, in fact a friend who did the same only an hour earlier got his 90 entry/permission to stay with no problem. On the following day I went to my local immigration office for a 60-day extension. One week after the extension kicked in was when the first 'grace period' kicked in. Last week I tried to get another 60 day extension but was told that in order for that I needed a letter from my embassy (British). Under no circumstances would they issue another extension without the letter. Not knowing how long a letter would actually give me or if I would have to keep repeating the process, or if that would even be allowed, or if there would be more changes to the immigration rules taking into account my situation and that of others on the same visa I was forced into applying for an extension based on retirement. I took this option because I am now in a position where there is some certainty over my continued legal status here. This was not an option I really wanted to exercise but at least I can sit back and relax a little.

[ubonjoe]

A baiting post and replies to it have been removed.

[ubonjoe]

19 minutes ago, sjbrownderby said:

Last week I tried to get another 60 day extension but was told that in order for that I needed a letter from my embassy (British). Under no circumstances would they issue another extension without the letter.

They could of issued the 60 day extension with the embassy letter. If they did it under the first rules for a embassy letters issued in March.

They can waive the one per entry rule under this in the immigration order.

"5. In the case where an alien applicant does not meet the full qualifications stipulated by the criteria herein or in other cases not specified in this Order but a competent officer equivalent to or higher than inspector is of the opinion that the alien has legitimate reason for staying in the Kingdom of Thailand, the application shall be forwarded to the Commander of the Royal Thai Police or an authorized competent officer for further consideration of the alien's application."

[Peter Denis]

29 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

They could of issued the 60 day extension with the embassy letter. If they did it under the first rules for a embassy letters issued in March.

...

And indeed, there have been 1 or 2 reports of applicants who were not able to meet the 1-year extension of stay requirement, where their local IO showed leniency and confirmed that they would keep on accepting their 60-day extension of stay application until it would be once again possible to exit/re-enter Thailand using a land-border.

[billd766]

13 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

So what visa did you last enter Thailand.

Guessing ME based on marriage. 

Why have you not obtained annual extension based on marriage. Since covid.

Please don't say 400k is an issue.

Your problem is that you have no idea who I am and what extension I am on. Please stop thinking that you are me because you are not. What you posted is pure guesswork on your part and a bad guess at that.

 

A non Imm O back in 2009 and turned that into a retirement extension.

 

2 years ago I changed from retirement to a marriage extension using income only.

 

400k IS an issue so don't tell me that it isn't.

 

When you are knowledgable as Ubonjoe is about visas, perhaps people may take some notice of what you post, otherwise I will answer this post once only.

Edited September 13, 2020 by billd766
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[adrianb]

Once upon a time British citizens could walk into the embassy and get anything done in a day or two. Now we are just a name and a number that has to make an appointment more than a week in advance to get anything done. The only exception appears to be unless you are in jail or dead already. Has anyone else tried getting a letter from the British emvassy?

[ubonjoe]

2 hours ago, adrianb said:

Once upon a time British citizens could walk into the embassy and get anything done in a day or two. Now we are just a name and a number that has to make an appointment more than a week in advance to get anything done. The only exception appears to be unless you are in jail or dead already. Has anyone else tried getting a letter from the British emvassy?

Yes and they got one.

See this post. https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1181913-still-waiting-for-uk-embassy-letter/?do=findComment&comment=15809118

 

[Peter Denis]

2 hours ago, adrianb said:

Once upon a time British citizens could walk into the embassy and get anything done in a day or two. Now we are just a name and a number that has to make an appointment more than a week in advance to get anything done. The only exception appears to be unless you are in jail or dead already. Has anyone else tried getting a letter from the British emvassy?

Hi adrianb.

I responded to your earlier query in post > https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1181982-amnesty-extension/?do=findComment&comment=15812456

But you need to be aware that when using the Embassy issued Letter to apply for the 'special' extension of stay, that it might block you from doing any subsequent 'regular' extension application as some IOs treat it as a Waiting room extension for those that cannot leave the country yet.

[Wongkitlo]

On 9/12/2020 at 10:53 PM, DrJack54 said:

Please don't say 400k is an issue.

Why is this? Do you need to have money to be married? My wife wanted to give it to me but I don't want them coming round to my house and taking pictures of my bedroom. I would have to send it to home anyway then back to show it is from overseas.

Edited September 14, 2020 by Wongkitlo
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[DrJack54]

Just now, Wongkitlo said:

Why is this? Do you need to have money to be married? My wife wanted to give it to me but I don't want them coming round to my house and taking pictures of my bedroom.

Nor would I. However unless I had an alternative to remain in Thailand I would suffer quietly and have my pic taken.

 

[Peter Denis]

1 minute ago, Wongkitlo said:

Why is this? Do you need to have money to be married? My wife wanted to give it to me but I don't want them coming round to my house and taking pictures of my bedroom.

You don't need money to be married to a Thai national.

But when applying for the 1-year extension of stay of your Non Imm O Visa for reason of marriage, you need to meet the financial requirements for such application.

There are 4 methods for doing so, and when using the funds-in-bank method you need to provide evidence that 400K has been seasoned for two months on your personal thai bank account (a joint one with your wife is not accepted) at the moment of application.

You would need to keep it there till your application is approved (some 3-4 weeks later), and then you are free to use the funds as you please, only to top up to 400K again two months before your next 1-year marriage extension of stay application.

[Wongkitlo]

Just now, DrJack54 said:

Nor would I. However unless I had an alternative to remain in Thailand I would suffer quietly and have my pic taken.

 

In the past I had ME for that reason. Now sending the money back and forth is a problem and she has just bought a house for her son so is a bit low till next year. I had intended returning home for a while anyway and am waiting for a plane to not be cancelled. Point was everyone has different circumstances. 

[Wongkitlo]

6 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

You don't need money to be married to a Thai national.

But when applying for the 1-year extension of stay of your Non Imm O Visa for reason of marriage, you need to meet the financial requirements for such application.

There are 4 methods for doing so, and when using the funds-in-bank method you need to provide evidence that 400K has been seasoned for two months on your personal thai bank account (a joint one with your wife is not accepted) at the moment of application.

You would need to keep it there till your application is approved (some 3-4 weeks later), and then you are free to use the funds as you please, only to top up to 400K again two months before your next 1-year marriage extension of stay application.

Thanks Peter. Am ok. Was just questioning  DrJack saying everyone should have 400k

Edited September 14, 2020 by Wongkitlo
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[bkkexplorer]

8 hours ago, adrianb said:

Once upon a time British citizens could walk into the embassy and get anything done in a day or two. Now we are just a name and a number that has to make an appointment more than a week in advance to get anything done. The only exception appears to be unless you are in jail or dead already. Has anyone else tried getting a letter from the British emvassy?

Yes, the consular office was helpful and responsive in giving me a letter after I explained to them my situation.

 

[bwoy32]

British consulate just denied my request. Gutting!

[CorpusChristie]

Just now, bwoy32 said:

British consulate just denied my request. Gutting!

What was the reason for the denial ?

[DrJack54]

Just now, bwoy32 said:

British consulate just denied my request. Gutting!

Did you get to have a discussion?

What was the gist of it

[CorpusChristie]

8 hours ago, adrianb said:

Once upon a time British citizens could walk into the embassy and get anything done in a day or two. Now we are just a name and a number that has to make an appointment more than a week in advance to get anything done. The only exception appears to be unless you are in jail or dead already. Has anyone else tried getting a letter from the British emvassy?

Yes, very quick and efficient .

Didnt even need to go to the Embassy , just sent them an E-mail and they sent the letter back within a couple of days