"What about us!?" Thais in relationships with foreigners separated by pandemic speak out

[bwpage3]

7 hours ago, Daniel55 said:

Finally some people speak about this problem. Love and relationships are other victims of pLandemic. The truth is- THERE IS NO PANDEMIC. Big farma lies, globalist mafia lies, many medias lie. Example? Last time in US officialy new, corrected statistics showed that 94% of covid victims died not because of virus, but because of other reasons (heart problems, cancer etc.). Every year in the world die about 70 milion people, in 7 months covid killed maybe 700,000 (but statistics about it are generally fake). In Belarus and Sweden there were no restrictions, no lockdown. Results? Not many people died because of covid, economy is fine, health care works normally. Lockdown in other countries, restrictions etc. Results? People die because of lack of normal helath care, more suicides, more depression, less work, less money, economical crisis, no freedom. 

 

But bilions of people hurt for real, not because of covid, but because of stupid, facsists, totalitarian restrictions, lack of medical aid, lack of freedom, depression, unemployment and demaged relationships. I wanna vomit when i read these all <deleted> about covid and when I see people who sold their liberty for fake safety. What safety is this if you have no rights? 

 

In Europe and America mostly people know that "pandemic" is <deleted>. Time that Thai people will open eyes. 

 

P.S.

 

I know some people will tell me now "if you don't like it, get back to your f>>>>> country." so i will answer to people who speak and think like this: If you don't care freedom and love and you like restrictions, go to North Korea. It is a perfect place for slaves and you will be safe there.   

Comorbidity is the key word. 

 

The COVID deaths all had at least 2 serious illnesses as you mention, yet they were counted as COVID related deaths?

 

Some people died from lung cancer and pneumonia, yet were classified as COVID deaths.

 

So this hysteria, with the media leading the charge, started long before ALL the facts were really known from the actual death certificates.

 

Out of 175,000 deaths in the US classified as COVID related, only 6% (10,500) were the result of the person dying from COVID ONLY!

 

The other 165,000 deaths had at least 2 other Comorbities as show in table 3.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

 

74,332 deaths attributed to influenza and pneumonia.

 

59,000 deaths due to respiratory failure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jerolamo]

5 hours ago, natway09 said:

Patience,,, you have the rest of your lives to argue with each other, in the meantime virtual copulation on your cell phones will have to suffice

Just a fact (because we know something about human's social and individual comportment and neural system)

no empathic mind thinking is a crucial important and specific point to recognize psychopath.

 

[richard_smith237]

7 hours ago, salsajapan said:

 

aren't the dixx the ones who think that it's so important to fly abroad whatever are their BS reasons ? they just deserve what happens to them !

this is my opinion and I respect it !

 

 

 

Are you criticising people for travelling abroad before the pandemic was a major issue?

Are you criticising people for maintaining overseas work commitments?

Are you calling work / a career a BS reason?

Are you suggesting that those who maintained their work commitments to deserve being isolated from family?

 

Your opinion is not deserving of any respect, the comment itself is utterly idiotic. 

 

Edited September 13, 2020 by richard_smith237

[jerolamo]

18 hours ago, Ddbanksy said:

Well said,see if anyone listens?

Yes, but it is not the virus who decide what to do or not to do. It is the authority who enforce a decision. So it is not the fault of the virus. And if we look closer about:

 

1/ the strong and factual interest business conflict from the "experts" speaking and the situation

2/ the real number of covid death compared to the infected people

3/ to compare covid to other pandemic

 

We can not more said it is because of the COVID.

So then... because of who (and not what) and why ?

Let's be realistic and give his initial sens to the words: "responsible, responsibility, decision-maker".

 

but the megaphones of propaganda still spit out frightening messages to panic people who, however, have understood and cannot express their displeasure that they are taken for imbeciles.

Results of divergent social castes and interests, living under the same sky but not under the same living conditions.

A book can (and will) be written about this kind of special moment that perfectly describes a world on the sectarian drift.

[jerolamo]

On 9/12/2020 at 2:54 PM, elliss said:

 

 Hopefully .

 The current Thai Junta , who i am informed is a regular reader on TV. forums .

  Will cast , a sympathetic eye , on this topic ..

  Apart , from that , keep sending the money .

  Good luck ..

 

So your predicate is that: we have to trust you to.... nothing more than your own pretending relationship and "news" sources (were you are unable to produce a reference the way we can check).

I conclude that you are thinking that we are stupid (to much maybe) or that you don't understand yourself what you wrote, and that no one can reasonably trust you on this formal communication based on trust only without any proof.

Please, elevate yourself by produce some factual argument and remove amalgam or binary mind thinking schema representation. I know in Asia i see some people, still in 2020, sale magic produce who can fix everything (again) as if it was 200 years ago in the far west of USA with first commercial quacking lies (now they understand that make us dream is minimum request to sale us somehting, but soon they will have to provide some factual arguments... dumb buddies season finish soon).

 

[jerolamo]

On 9/12/2020 at 12:57 PM, bwpage3 said:

Everyone in Thailand wants something for themselves only.

 

Who cares if the economy is crashing.

 

Take care of me!

you don't know everyone, but you speak for everyone.

But because of that, now we know who YOU are.

[Acrylic]

People who really hate or loath Thailand so much but still choose to live in Thailand for reason other than working, only have themselves to be blamed. 

[SiSePuede419]

We can see in the dark. ????

https://youtu.be/ClU3fctbGls

 

[scubascuba3]

8 hours ago, jerolamo said:

you don't know everyone, but you speak for everyone.

But because of that, now we know who YOU are.

you really post a lot of guff, try and get out and meet real people might make you more normal

[OnTheRun]

18 hours ago, salsajapan said:

 

aren't the dixx the ones who think that it's so important to fly abroad whatever are their BS reasons ? they just deserve what happens to them !

this is my opinion and I respect it !

 

 

I'd be more inclined to say the dixx are people with opinions like your own. Which, of course, is my opinion which I also respect.

[phetchy]

13 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

Comorbidity is the key word. 

 

The COVID deaths all had at least 2 serious illnesses as you mention, yet they were counted as COVID related deaths?

 

Some people died from lung cancer and pneumonia, yet were classified as COVID deaths.

 

So this hysteria, with the media leading the charge, started long before ALL the facts were really known from the actual death certificates.

 

Out of 175,000 deaths in the US classified as COVID related, only 6% (10,500) were the result of the person dying from COVID ONLY!

 

The other 165,000 deaths had at least 2 other Comorbities as show in table 3.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

 

74,332 deaths attributed to influenza and pneumonia.

 

59,000 deaths due to respiratory failure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

When that flawed assumption was first promulgated, it was seized upon by that well known pathological liar Trump as being the proof that Covid was only responsible for a very small fraction of the deaths reported up to that point.  What a load of tripe.  It is widely acknowledged that statistics can be analysed to suit the purpose of the person using them, and Trump is the master of doing so.

 

Trump and others suggest the figures show that the number of deaths that were due to Covid by implication have been much exaggerated.  What they do not show (as it cannot be determined) is how many of those people that also had underlying conditions, would have survived had they not contracted the virus?  There is no way that 165,000 people would all have died anyway if they hadn't contracted Covid.  Clearly Covid has acted as a contributory factor and accelerated a lot of deaths that might not have occurred pre-virus.            

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53999403     

[elliss]

14 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

you really post a lot of guff, try and get out and meet real people might make you more normal

 

    Correct .

 However that said , not many people would choose to meet his type .

 Social misfits ?.    We have so many in the expats / experts , brigade ..

   Geronimo , or something , like that . No thanks ..

 

Edited September 14, 2020 by elliss

[Kalasin Jo]

On 9/12/2020 at 7:18 AM, holy cow cm said:

It is nice the Thai are voicing their displeasure with the government. Maybe this will go even farther and the ones with family or married can be taken seriously like human beings and be given an easy PR. I mean the foreign men in this case. Woman with Thai men no problem which in a sense makes us guys persecuted for having a foreign noodle. Would be nice to breathe in this country without hoop jumping every year.

Would be nice to breathe in this country without hoop jumping every year.  Totally agree. Having to apply to stay every year, with the same requirements every year, forever ( until you die) is just not humane. The EU countries allow permanent residence after 5 years of hoop jumping. You then only have to renew the card every 10 years, not the right to residency, and financials no longer come in to it. And in France you get to, must in fact, register for state health care after 3 months in country. Yes it's a means tested contributory system but not as costly as private insurance, especially as you get older. So there's the challenge Thailand: treat long term expats fairly. After all they've contribute enough just by marrying a Thai and the family that goes with that!

[GinBoy2]

4 hours ago, Kalasin Jo said:

Would be nice to breathe in this country without hoop jumping every year.  Totally agree. Having to apply to stay every year, with the same requirements every year, forever ( until you die) is just not humane. The EU countries allow permanent residence after 5 years of hoop jumping. You then only have to renew the card every 10 years, not the right to residency, and financials no longer come in to it. And in France you get to, must in fact, register for state health care after 3 months in country. Yes it's a means tested contributory system but not as costly as private insurance, especially as you get older. So there's the challenge Thailand: treat long term expats fairly. After all they've contribute enough just by marrying a Thai and the family that goes with that!

And there you have it summed up in a nutshell.

 

When you take your Thai spouse to falangland, yeah it's a pain in the ass to do it, but once it's done, in general they are treated the same as any other national of said country.

 

However in Thailand, regardless of whether you are married or not, you are never more than a long term tourist, with all the <deleted> that goes along with that!

[holy cow cm]

9 hours ago, Kalasin Jo said:

Would be nice to breathe in this country without hoop jumping every year.  Totally agree. Having to apply to stay every year, with the same requirements every year, forever ( until you die) is just not humane. The EU countries allow permanent residence after 5 years of hoop jumping. You then only have to renew the card every 10 years, not the right to residency, and financials no longer come in to it. And in France you get to, must in fact, register for state health care after 3 months in country. Yes it's a means tested contributory system but not as costly as private insurance, especially as you get older. So there's the challenge Thailand: treat long term expats fairly. After all they've contribute enough just by marrying a Thai and the family that goes with that!

Yes it is inhumane insane. Being married to a Thai and then staying with them should be rewarded, especially if having kids and that contributes to the country not aging side all the while while pouring money in. I would settle for 10 years at a time. Probably only have maybe 20 at best left in my life.

[bwpage3]

On 9/13/2020 at 10:57 PM, phetchy said:

When that flawed assumption was first promulgated, it was seized upon by that well known pathological liar Trump as being the proof that Covid was only responsible for a very small fraction of the deaths reported up to that point.  What a load of tripe.  It is widely acknowledged that statistics can be analysed to suit the purpose of the person using them, and Trump is the master of doing so.

 

Trump and others suggest the figures show that the number of deaths that were due to Covid by implication have been much exaggerated.  What they do not show (as it cannot be determined) is how many of those people that also had underlying conditions, would have survived had they not contracted the virus?  There is no way that 165,000 people would all have died anyway if they hadn't contracted Covid.  Clearly Covid has acted as a contributory factor and accelerated a lot of deaths that might not have occurred pre-virus.            

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53999403     

Learn how to read.

 

Table 3 in the link is evidence 94% of the deaths had serious implications (comorbities) that would have killed them anyway.

 

You think there is no way people would have died from cancer, respiratory failure, pneumonia, etc.? Of course they would have died.

 

What the CDC DOES NOT state, is how many people died with comorbidities that were ONLY COVID asymptomatic? 

 

First off, Trump has nothing to do with the CDC. Save the bravado.

 

The CDC published this information after months of compiling the actual death certificates.

 

Table 3 lists ALL the specific causes of deaths, and sorry to say, these people would have died anyways.

 

Now ask yourself WHY it took the CDC until September 2020 to publish table 3 showing for a fact there were at least 2 comorbidities in each of these deaths and no clarification on whether or not those who died had full blow COVID or were only asymptomatic?

[bristolgeoff]

Unless you are married legal in thailand your rights are limited.I know a few who are not married left just before the lockdown and can not get in.Nothing they can do just have to wait like everyone else