"What about us!?" Thais in relationships with foreigners separated by pandemic speak out

[bwpage3]

Everyone in Thailand wants something for themselves only.

 

Who cares if the economy is crashing.

 

Take care of me!

[Aussieroaming]

55 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

Are you living in the 1970's?  

I haven't heard of any woman giving up a career to raise children in 50 years. 

My wife and I had to both work to make ends meet in the 80's-90's and things have not gotten cheaper from what I see.   

Not quite as easy for families to both work fulltime until children are older and self relient if one of them works off shore on a fly in / fly out rotation. That's my experience based on that type of rotational work anyway. 

[mommysboy]

The fact that you can be married with kids, and still only have a lousy 'temporary visa' says it all.  Mixed families basically have no rights. 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, Skallywag said:

Are you living in the 1970's?  

I haven't heard of any woman giving up a career to raise children in 50 years. 

My wife and I had to both work to make ends meet in the 80's-90's and things have not gotten cheaper from what I see.   

 

Its not as uncommon as you think. My Wife, previously a Managing Director - Gave up when pregnant became a stay at home Mum - No need to be in the car two hours a day and dedicated her time to looking after our Son. Now my Son is of school age my Wife has started her own business and works around ’school hours’.

 

Friends Wives, Flight attendants - retired when children came along. Another friends wife, an accountant still works part time. Another, Gemologist still works full time after taking maternity leave. Another is continues on as a lawyer. Others, still work and had full time nannies. Others, haven’t had children yet and still have their careers. 

A lot of Thai friends Wives have either stopped work and are now ’stay at home mums’ doing the school run etc while running their own businesses (selling stuff online etc), others continue their careers. 

 

Much the same as the UK.

 

 

[terryofcrete]

6 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

As long as they get their monthly sponsor money I think they'll be happy enough

I am 6 years spending 4 months a year in Thailand and taking a thai lady on holidays. I have never sent her money . I look after her when I cme to Thailand .. no day goes by that she does not get in contact and chat and wish I could visit. Never puts pressure on for marriage or money. I miss her a lot and it seems to be reciprocal. Nothing wrong with it. I need to see her again. Try to be less cynical. 

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

less than you that's for sure

My wife has her own successful business, doesn't need my money.

[Madeline Thompson]

Yesl they absolutely have a right to be together.  I am finding

there is something happening with access to entry into Thailand that

is very disturbing for us all.

 

Those who have been expats in this country, who travel

into nearby (SE Asia) countries for work necessities, then assume

they can come back (whether we have family and/or marital

connections in the country) without a problem, are stunned by

the deep change that has happened. As long as all of us are

willing to quarantine, what is the problem in admitting us again?

Even new people - what is the problem? Quarantine is not guarantee

Covid will never surface again but it is a democratic way of dealing

with the situation. The Junta appears to want only the very rich - they

will somehow solve the  economy problem. NOT!  Impossible.

 

When I came a decade ago, Thailand was a very humane country

and many of us newbie expats realized what a pain in the butt we must

have been.  Just learning a new culture and all. We understood -and

still understand - that. But this is something else and it is not humane,

it is only about money, and a skewed perspective, to my mind, about how

to bring this country back to the great respect it once had - the pandemic

is not responsible for that change, something else is. There was a laissez-

faire at work then which all of us, Thais and expats, understood.

 

As long as people entering the country are willing to quarantine, if that is

a medically sound thing to do, no argument.  But this choosing and excluding

manipulation that is happening now is never going to do good things for this

country.  I doubt anyone would argue with that....

[VANTAGE]

Athough being not legally married in Thailand we made a partnership agreement registered  in the french ambassy , In France it is considered as a marriage and gives you the same benefits and rights as the marriage with the exclusion of the inheritence . As such kind of agreement does not exist (yet) in Thailand I doubt very much that the Thai ambassy in Paris would consider it.

[Skallywag]

18 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

The fact that you can be married with kids, and still only have a lousy 'temporary visa' says it all.  Mixed families basically have no rights. 

Yes and those visa rules were around a long time before you got married and had "kids" in Thailand. 

  

As far as the OP, being separated is tough, the rules for re-entering thailand for foreigners is tough, but a few months down the road things may change.  The 100,000 USD insurance is less than 50,000 baht a year for a 60 year old and less if you are younger.  The ASQ hotels and testing is pretty high 45,000 - 100,000 baht for the 15 days.  So an extra $4000 USD or so on top of flight cost. Quite a lot at present yes

[johnray]

Just stick a picture of his face on the ATM when you withdraw the money.

[metisdead]

Some offensive posts and replies have been removed. 

[KhunFred]

7 hours ago, steve187 said:

that's a bit harsh

I would have said the same thing a year or so, ago. I have since learned that sometimes, even women employed in normal occupations, behave like prostitutes. Money rules.

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, KhunFred said:

I would have said the same thing a year or so, ago. I have since learned that sometimes, even women employed in normal occupations, behave like prostitutes. Money rules.

 

Rewritten for you... 'I have since learned that sometimes, even some women employed in normal occupations, behave like prostitutes. For some money rules’ 

[scubascuba3]

6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Rewritten for you... 'I have since learned that sometimes, even some women employed in normal occupations, behave like prostitutes. For some money rules’ 

he said "sometimes", stop being so sensitive 

[captpkapoor]

And what about those of us who have condos and cars sitting locked up in Thailand, paying the monthly CAM fee, and unable to return!

[2 is 1]

7 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

A couple of d!<k comments so far... 

 

Real people getting separated by a government policy - its awful, unnecessary and absolutely horrible. 

 

Those foreigners who are married (with a marriage certificate) can apply to return, but the process is convoluted and not everyone can afford it; in many cases only business class seat are available on repatriation flights and the ASQ hotels are not cheap (>30,000 baht for 15 days).

 

For others, not married, there is no current route back which is outrageous. 

 

A horrible world situation has caught people out Thailand is not easing this burden at all by forcing them to remain apart. 

 

 

 

And one problem is that people who go visit coundry whitch have give they passport (many think they home here)!

They think only visit there for reason and short time! (many reason for that) Anyway they not count that they have to be in "own" coundry 6 to ....... month! Not everybody have endless budget for it! If you get pension there, how you manage expense there and here!

Edited September 12, 2020 by 2 is 1

[Harrith54]

On 9/2/2020 at 12:56 AM, BigStar said:

Yup. That's the reason that Thais can't be tourists: we don't allow that any Thais have money.

 

Yup. Businesses that have evolved over many years, or fewer, to appeal to Thai tastes, or to foreign as well as Thai, do well with Thai tourists and some foreigners still here for whatever reason.

 

 

On 9/2/2020 at 3:09 AM, BritTim said:

First, what is certain ...

 

If you will be granted a 60-day extension to visit your Thai spouse, when you apply will not matter as long as it is before September 26th. If granted, the extension will give a new permission to stay expired date of November 25th 2020.

 

Now, the uncertainties ...

 

There is no consistency between immigration offices over whether the extension will be granted. We have seen:

• 60-day extensions provided to everyone with a Thai spouse who was legally in Thailand as of March 26th 2020;
• 60-day extensions provided to those who entered on Non O visas, but denied to those on tourist entries;
• 60-day extensions only given to those with multiple entry Non O visas where the visa expiry date is prior to the date of applying for the extension [the most ridiculous condition]; and
• refusal to provide 60-day extensions to anyone who is currently on the "amnesty extension".

All you can do is try and see what happens.

 

On 8/31/2020 at 2:52 PM, mareo said:

Don't wanna go through 3 airports, 2 planes and a train and risk infecting my family. The situation with covid in my country is one of the worst. Plus, I have friends here and I'd like to stay more time. I would do a visa run, but as we already know, it's not possible.

 

Nope, plain and simple Tourist visa, no extension stamps yet.

 

On 9/10/2020 at 5:29 PM, FarFlungFalang said:

I was thinking the same thing  but it's still a humungous problem and the price of 2 subs would get chewed up pretty quickly.

 

On 9/4/2020 at 5:44 PM, ndreamer said:

slow and old ?

 

On 9/4/2020 at 5:44 PM, ndreamer said:

slow and old ?

 

23 hours ago, seancbk said:

 

Said the dinosaur before becoming extinct.

I have been using digital banking since the mid 90's when I ran an online porn business and the only way to get paid was electronically. 

Now I use Neat.hk which is a digital bank based in Hong Kong, I have 3 PayPal accounts (Hong Kong, Thailand and UK) and I do 90% of my international banking using apps on my phone and of course I have crypto accounts for Bitcoin.


 

 

7 hours ago, GeorgeCross said:

listening to the PTB effectively say "sorry, i'm in love is not a valid reason to extend your visa at the current time" is despicable

 

????

 

 

 

 

 

6 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

I didn't say it was, incidentally what's the age gap with your Thai lady/man?

Mine is only 14 year, or, she 52 and I am 66. I chose for a as best as possible and evenly relation. Seems best to me. 

[stephen tracy]

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

it was the head person in the immigration that said it to me. In your experience are you implying that's a sex worker phrase? you seem to be obsessed with sex workers and the like

Now you've gone from sounding like the average loser to quite ridiculous. 

[SunsetT]

8 hours ago, rooster59 said:

This has meant bad situations where pregnant women were without the support of their foreign boyfriends who might miss the birth of their children and be unable to register them. 

Run boyfriends! While u have the chance!  555.

[Destiny1990]

31 minutes ago, captpkapoor said:

And what about those of us who have condos and cars sitting locked up in Thailand, paying the monthly CAM fee, and unable to return!

Well since u bought it already so who cares about you getting poorly treated ????????????

[elliss]

7 hours ago, stephen tracy said:

Not every relationship in Thailand between a Thai and a foreigner is based on a hooker-John scenario. It's a belief held by sex-tourists/pats based on their own personal experiences. 

 

 Hopefully .

 The current Thai Junta , who i am informed is a regular reader on TV. forums .

  Will cast , a sympathetic eye , on this topic ..

  Apart , from that , keep sending the money .

  Good luck ..

 

 

Edited September 12, 2020 by elliss

[KhunFred]

1 hour ago, Skallywag said:

Yes and those visa rules were around a long time before you got married and had "kids" in Thailand. 

  

As far as the OP, being separated is tough, the rules for re-entering thailand for foreigners is tough, but a few months down the road things may change.  The 100,000 USD insurance is less than 50,000 baht a year for a 60 year old and less if you are younger.  The ASQ hotels and testing is pretty high 45,000 - 100,000 baht for the 15 days.  So an extra $4000 USD or so on top of flight cost. Quite a lot at present yes

The "appeal from antiquity" is one of the oldest logical fallacies.  "We've always done it this way, therefore it's right."

[Boomer6969]

26 minutes ago, SunsetT said:

Run boyfriends! While u have the chance!  555.

Obviously you are proud of being a soi (under)dog.

[Blumpie]

We don't miss you we just miss your money.  

[Blumpie]

1 hour ago, Skallywag said:

Yes and those visa rules were around a long time before you got married and had "kids" in Thailand. 

  

As far as the OP, being separated is tough, the rules for re-entering thailand for foreigners is tough, but a few months down the road things may change.  The 100,000 USD insurance is less than 50,000 baht a year for a 60 year old and less if you are younger.  The ASQ hotels and testing is pretty high 45,000 - 100,000 baht for the 15 days.  So an extra $4000 USD or so on top of flight cost. Quite a lot at present yes

Keep in mind that the cost that you quoted, 4000 USD is very approximate.  If you end up getting it - which is a real possibility on a flight - it can easily extend your quarantine for another 14 days.  You won't get out at that point until they say you can.  So bring another 4k just in case, and plan for an even worse case scenario.  

In other words, for the vast majority of the travellers, it does not make any sense.  

[PilotBill]

I've been watching the events take place daily and all the changes that happen every other day is very frustrating to say the least. I've been married 4 years and living in Thailand the last 3 years. I came back to the states for christmas and spend some time with the family then all flights were cancelled and Thailands doors closed. Lucky, I can stay at my moms house while I'm in limbo however this seperation from my family in Thailand is stressful. I know I am not the only one experencing this. I think this is the real pandemic. This COVID thing ... I do not believe it will every go away, just like the common flu or cold which means the government(s) can drag this out (forever) if they choose. I am now in the process of bringing my family to the states and start over. It is obivious, Thailand does not want foreigners to spend money in Thailand. We sure do not feel welcome in this country.

[HashBrownHarry]

5 hours ago, paulikens said:

@HashBrownHarry but thats the problem hardly anyone meets the criteria 

If you have a child or are married ( and have the funds ) the criteria is not hard to meet, for the repat flights you need some degree of luck to get a seat, for Emirates it appears pretty straight forward if booked far enough in advance.

 

For those that only have partners or are retiree's then yes, it's not easy ( maybe not even possible ) to meet the criteria.

[dieter1]

9 hours ago, rooster59 said:

have the same rights as people already married arguing that they should not be treated differently.

what? What would be the reason to marry, if there  would be no difference?

Just think (!) about the misuse of that !If you are married, it is not all about benefits. There for example many liabilities connected to this status. f.e. you can not just chose at every second by your own will, which status you would prefer.

It is not that I could not understand what people in love feel , when being separated. But there are good reasons, to treat married couples differently.

[Artisi]

4 hours ago, stephen tracy said:

You're a sad little man who is unable to form relationships with the opposite sex. That's pretty much it. 

Just ignore, it's not worth the time engaging in a circular discussion with such people. 

[rumak]

3 hours ago, KhunFred said:

I would have said the same thing a year or so, ago. I have since learned that sometimes, even women employed in normal occupations, behave like prostitutes. Money rules.

Good that you have learnt.   Like with anyone ( think many expats that you meet here) ,  it takes time,

sometimes a long time,  to really know a person.   

Western women (and men) one can see the red flags almost right away.  With Thai ladies it can be a lot more

difficult .   And heaven forbid someone tries to assist another farang with a warning about those red flags.