NON-O Retired Visa Is Not Enough To Come Back To Thailand

[Alfa]

Hi, today I have learned that,  if I leave Thailand,, I can not come back with a Non-O Retired Visa  with Multiple Re-entry permit. They are going to send me back from the Airport. 

They do accept only marriage visa and work visa they say and of course Thai citizens AND  everybody has to go to 15 days  quarantine too after arriving. 

That means if you are RETIRED every year you have to be in your country some months to keep full retired-salary if you are not written in Thailand. If you go to your country you can not turn back to Thailand.

The last decision from Thai Government lasts until 30 September, than they shall decide to open the borders full or not.

This news I get from the Airlines and they tell me do not PURCHASE any ticket before 30 September because all the flights willl be cancelled in October. That depends on the Thai Governments decision, maybe they want to keep Thailand close longer,, We do not know.

 

So if I go next week, I can not come back even if I have MULTIPLE  RE - ENTRY  VISA.

Very sad.

Good Luck to everybody, I won't be in Thailand.

[Alfa]

I forgot to write, maybe Ubon Joe knows something about it .

I hope. 

I want to come back but.

[fredob43]

That's the way I read it as well. I had to go back this November for a wedding. Now not going. I have a retirement visa done on the 800k in a Thai bank. I am married to a Thai so I might get back who knows??? but I'm not going to do 14 days in a Hotel Cell for anyone.

[theoldgit]

You’ve posted this in the wrong forum, I’ll move it for you.

[treetops]

1 hour ago, Alfa said:

I can not come back even if I have MULTIPLE  RE - ENTRY  VISA.

Maybe you can get your money back for this if you can't use it?

[Alfa]

to fredob43,

 

Yes,  I am married to a Thai Lady as well.

But I did not want to stay here with a marriage visa and to show her I did not marry her to get a visa in Thailand. That's why I have this Non-O Retired visa with 800 000 THB in my account.

AND  I HAVE SEEN  the Videos on YouTube  about  quarantine.  You can't open doors or windows and you have to eat when they give you food ( no refrigator ) AND    after 7 days you have write to go out to fresh air ( a balcony) for  45  minutes. Exactly the same as prison. I haven't been to prison in my life and I am not going to be in prison either. Forget it.

WE SHALL SEE WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DECIDE ON 30 SEPTEMBER.

PROBABLY 6 MONTHS MORE AS THE BANGKOK DOCTOR SAYS.

[FlyingThai]

5 minutes ago, Alfa said:

Yes,  I am married to a Thai Lady as well.

But I did not want to stay here with a marriage visa and to show her I did not marry her to get a visa in Thailand. That's why I have this Non-O Retired visa with 800 000 THB in my account.

 

You are kidding right?

[HampiK]

If you are married or have a Thai child (With the child I am not 100% sure) then you can come back even with a retirement extension. It's not depending on the Visa/Extension... more of if you have some ties in Thailand, which I think is more accurate as only look on the Visa/extension.

 

But still as I wrote in another thread.. it's sad for the retirement group, that they can't come back.

 

Another big questions would be even you could come back not mean you easily can come back..... as from some countries there are still long lists of people waiting for being able to come back. Even the lists become shorter than for example in July. I heard of some people who had the luck for coming back, they waited on the lists for 3 months!

[gamini]

20 hours ago, HampiK said:

If you are married or have a Thai child (With the child I am not 100% sure) then you can come back even with a retirement extension. It's not depending on the Visa/Extension... more of if you have some ties in Thailand, which I think is more accurate as only look on the Visa/extension.

 

But still as I wrote in another thread.. it's sad for the retirement group, that they can't come back.

 

Another big questions would be even you could come back not mean you easily can come back..... as from some countries there are still long lists of people waiting for being able to come back. Even the lists become shorter than for example in July. I heard of some people who had the luck for coming back, they waited on the lists for 3 months!

It is very sad for people on retirement Visa who can't come back here but think of the Australians who can't even get back to their own country and are in terrible plight with no money stuck abroad I believe also some Canadians in the same position and many foreigners from different countries cannot get home because they cannot afford the huge airfares. It seemed that Thailand is doing a lot better than most countries their citizens can get home and those married to Thais

[Seeall]

22 hours ago, treetops said:

Maybe you can get your money back for this if you can't use it?

Supposed to be funny?  They guy is stressed... or are you serious?

[andre47]

NON-O Retired Visa Is Not Enough To Come Back To Thailand

This situation is clearly known for a long time already. Nothing new at all and it will not change in the near future.

The OP must have slept for a long time if he did not know about it. 

[digger70]

23 hours ago, fredob43 said:

That's the way I read it as well. I had to go back this November for a wedding. Now not going. I have a retirement visa done on the 800k in a Thai bank. I am married to a Thai so I might get back who knows??? but I'm not going to do 14 days in a Hotel Cell for anyone.

No you won't come back I doesn't matter that you are Married You got an Extension Based on Retirement So on Paper you Ain't Married That's the way they see that at Immigration ,Good luck and change back to the Extension based on Marriage.

[unblocktheplanet]

22 hours ago, HampiK said:

If you are married or have a Thai child (With the child I am not 100% sure) then you can come back even with a retirement extension. It's not depending on the Visa/Extension... more of if you have some ties in Thailand, which I think is more accurate as only look on the Visa/extension.

Let's see how the situation changes. I adopted a retirement extension simply because I was able to accomplish it in one day at CW instead of coming back after 30 days' consideration. I am married to a Thai, both here & in Canada (married twice, must love her!). The big worry for us oldies (I am 70) will be any insurance requirement for re-entry. If this situation changes when I'm due to March, I'll shift back to a "Thai Wife" visa.

Edited September 17, 2020 by unblocktheplanet
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[HampiK]

1 hour ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Let's see how the situation changes. I adopted a retirement extension simply because I was able to accomplish it in one day at CW instead of coming back after 30 days' consideration. I am married to a Thai, both here & in Canada (married twice, must love her!). The big worry for us oldies (I am 70) will be any insurance requirement for re-entry. If this situation changes when I'm due to March, I'll shift back to a "Thai Wife" visa.

Yes, I fully understand the motivation to change from Marriage to Retirement extension. and up of the 800K of money in the bank it's easier in many ways (especially you can become the extension the same day and not need to go again in 30 days. 

 

The other parts with the Insurance, I was thinking at the moment it's only if you had a O-A Visa to begin with. When you started with an ordinary O Visa and then do extensions based on retirement it should not involve the Insurance. (I think the Idea of the Insurance good, but they should accept every Insurance company and not only the cheap overpriced Thai Insurances. Especially as the people who really have in Insurance already not want to change to a bad one if they have a good one already.
... but who know what will happen in a few years even with the marriage extension. We only know when they decided something.

[fredob43]

5 hours ago, digger70 said:

No you won't come back I doesn't matter that you are Married You got an Extension Based on Retirement So on Paper you Ain't Married That's the way they see that at Immigration ,Good luck and change back to the Extension based on Marriage.

Thanks for that, but I'm not going to do one based on marriage. To many papers to fill out. I much prefer the 1 page + 1 Snap and letter from my bank. Last one took an hour including getting letter, now good for a year +. Simple.

I also like the bit of interest I get on my monies here. Nothing when it's in the UK.

 

Anyway I have no intention of going anywhere at present. Having to do 14 days in a Hotel Cell on my return is something I'll never do. Looks like I'm here till things change. Big thankyou Buddha.  

Edited September 17, 2020 by fredob43

[Maestro]

5 hours ago, digger70 said:

No you won't come back I doesn't matter that you are Married You got an Extension Based on Retirement So on Paper you Ain't Married That's the way they see that at Immigration ,Good luck and change back to the Extension based on Marriage.

 

As far as I am aware the decision of who gets a Certificate of Entry and a seat on a repatriation flight is not made by immigration.

[hotandsticky]

5 hours ago, digger70 said:

No you won't come back I doesn't matter that you are Married You got an Extension Based on Retirement So on Paper you Ain't Married That's the way they see that at Immigration ,Good luck and change back to the Extension based on Marriage.

 

I think that is nonsense.

 

Eligibility is determined by marital status which is evidenced by a marriage certificate.

 

The basis of the visa/extension is irrelevant.

[Max69xl]

11 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

I think that is nonsense.

 

Eligibility is determined by marital status which is evidenced by a marriage certificate.

 

The basis of the visa/extension is irrelevant.

It doesn't matter what type of visa/extension you're on. If you're married, the marriage certificate will be enough to get the CoE. 

[Max69xl]

11 hours ago, Maestro said:

 

As far as I am aware the decision of who gets a Certificate of Entry and a seat on a repatriation flight is not made by immigration.

That's correct. Immigration has nothing do with the CoE. 

[bkk_bwana]

On 9/16/2020 at 6:19 PM, fredob43 said:

..... I am married to a Thai ..... but I'm not going to do 14 days in a Hotel Cell for anyone.

Not even for your own wife?

[digger70]

18 hours ago, Maestro said:

 

As far as I am aware the decision of who gets a Certificate of Entry and a seat on a repatriation flight is not made by immigration.

I hope you right ,but I don't think so .

[fredob43]

1 hour ago, bkk_bwana said:

Not even for your own wife?

I don't have to leave. The only thing that I was going back for was a wedding. Not going now. Don't like weddings anyway, so can stay with Wife. Mind you that might seem like being in a CELL. LOL

Until this Rat Flue 19 ends I'll be here Forever if needs be.   

[digger70]

18 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

I think that is nonsense.

 

Eligibility is determined by marital status which is evidenced by a marriage certificate.

 

The basis of the visa/extension is irrelevant.

If you say so ,But you Wrong It goes by Extension of Stay Based on what you go for.

Marriage  or Retirement

[ubonjoe]

53 minutes ago, digger70 said:

I hope you right ,but I don't think so .

The MFA is one step and then the embassy where you apply approves and issues the certificate of entry.

This from a embassy website for example.

[digger70]

7 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

The MFA is one step and then the embassy where you apply approves and issues the certificate of entry.

This from a embassy website for example.

I was Replying to this post: 

That's the way I read it as well. I had to go back this November for a wedding. Now not going. I have a retirement visa done on the 800k in a Thai bank. I am married to a Thai so I might get back who knows??? but I'm not going to do 14 days in a Hotel Cell for anyone.

 

I replied:

No you won't come back I doesn't matter that you are Married You got an Extension Based on Retirement So on Paper you Ain't Married That's the way they see that at Immigration ,Good luck and change back to the Extension based on Marriage. 

 

I don't think that this has anything to do with what you posted here .

[ubonjoe]

13 hours ago, digger70 said:

 

I don't think that this has anything to do with what you posted here .

It appeared to be discussion of who issuing the certificate of entry and that is what I posted a reply to.

Some embassies will issue a certificate solely based upon being married to a Thai and it does not matter what visa or extension you have for entry. For example London would have you get an non-o based upon marriage and the one in the US would issue it with a OA visa or extension of stay based upon retirement.

[ThaiVisaCentre]

The OP is correct unfortunately.

 

We are hoping that they start to allow other long term visa classes to enter Thailand next month.

 

But if you are married, just make sure you have your marriage certificate with you and you can apply for a marriage visa outside of Thailand.

We do not understand why they cannot just allow them to show the marriage certificate, or proof of child, and enter under retirement. 

But this is how they are currently enforcing it.

Edited September 18, 2020 by ThaiVisaCentre

[jeffandgop]

On 9/17/2020 at 5:43 PM, digger70 said:

No you won't come back I doesn't matter that you are Married You got an Extension Based on Retirement So on Paper you Ain't Married That's the way they see that at Immigration ,Good luck and change back to the Extension based on Marriage.

I first entered Thailand on a Non OA based on retirement and received numerous annual extensions of stay based on retirement.  This year I applied for my annual extension of stay based on marriage; which was approved.  I believe that it is your current approved basis for your extension of stay (mine being marriage) that would permit me to re-enter Thailand should I exit...complying with all the other new requirements of insurance, testing, etc

[jeffandgop]

9 hours ago, ThaiVisaCentre said:

The OP is correct unfortunately.

 

We are hoping that they start to allow other long term visa classes to enter Thailand next month.

 

But if you are married, just make sure you have your marriage certificate with you and you can apply for a marriage visa outside of Thailand.

We do not understand why they cannot just allow them to show the marriage certificate, or proof of child, and enter under retirement. 

But this is how they are currently enforcing it.

If you have an approved extension of stay based on marriage even tho the original, and long ago original entry was a OA Retirement visa, , then you do not need to apply for an OA Visa based on marriage to get back in.  You already have an approved marriage basis.

[Dene16]

12 hours ago, ThaiVisaCentre said:

We do not understand why they cannot just allow them to show the marriage certificate, or proof of child, and enter under retirement. 

But this is how they are currently enforcing it.

where did you get this information as i was just about to apply for the COE hopefully using my child's birth certificate with myself named as the the father and bearing my family name