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5 minutes ago, vogie said:

We are where we are today because a remainer parliament have been procastinating for 3 years.

Scottish indy is for another thread.

You don't want to see the UK/England harmed, no thought for the Welsh then, and others. 

You are still the one that is responible for your own actions or even lack of them, and is the reason where we are today, time to take some responsibility rookie.

And 3 years ago if Johnson had been in charge we would still be facing the same crises.

Leaving with no deal. 

I am always responsible for my actions. You Brexiteers, if you continue to believe the lies told to you, despite all that has happened, need to take FULL responsibility for the harm done to the country. 

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1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Nice example showing why educated people don’t read the garbage press. (1) Quoting only half the statement (2) Using it to falsely claim something that he didn’t say (3) Completely missing the point that it’s the (Democrats controlled) congress that decides (4) Enough to keep their imbecile readers entertained. 
 

Not surprised Brexiteers read these Mickey Mouse papers. 

Ha Ha, even the Euro think they can override UK trade with "My paper is better than your paper." retorts now. Sorry Fritz but it didn't work for the Remainers so won't for you lot.

Better you stick to cartoons and fairy tales in Eurodisney.

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Just now, Rookiescot said:

And 3 years ago if Johnson had been in charge we would still be facing the same crises.

Leaving with no deal. 

I am always responsible for my actions. You Brexiteers, if you continue to believe the lies told to you, despite all that has happened, need to take FULL responsibility for the harm done to the country. 

But here is where you have created your own little logjam, you are refusing to acknowledge that if the duplicitous remainers had voted for Mays deal, voila, Boris would not be PM. So not only are you responsible for a probable no deal, you were very instrumental in getting Boris for your PM.????????????

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6 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Vogie, Boris was always going to be PM, something he had been working on since Cameron was at No.10.  He carefully avoided it too early as instructed by Cummings and let May handle all the Brexit fiasco first.  By the time May was mortally wounded he was the only candidate who was ever going to succeed her.

You are some hell of a psychic, you know there will be a deal, now you know Boris would have become PM. So you don't agree that if Mays deal had been voted on, everything in the parliamentary funny farm would have carried on as normal.

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1 minute ago, dunroaming said:

When Covid first came to light and Boris stood up and faced the press at the daily briefings, I gave him kudos for that, especially as it followed the hiding in the toilet incident.  I, like most others, were suckered into all the spin and promises.  Didn't last long as all the cracks started to appear and people realised that the handling of the pandemic was an unmitigated disaster.  Then he disappeared from the briefings almost completely leaving others to deal with the awkward questions. 

 

His one saving grace was to give the new chancellor of the exchequer control of the cheque book and he grasped it with both hands.  I will give Rishi Sunak credit for the way he quickly put in place the financial safety net that allowed businesses to stay afloat.  In fact I would even go as far as to say that he looks far more like a proper politician than any of the other charlatans in the cabinet.

 

So there you go Vogie.  I will put my hands together for Rishi Sunak.  Happy now?

Not really, seriously if parliament had have voted for Mays deal, don't you think that parliament would have limped along untill the next election date. Surely the reason May went was because parliament turned down her deal 3 times, Boris would never even have been in the equation IMO.

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50 minutes ago, vogie said:

But here is where you have created your own little logjam, you are refusing to acknowledge that if the duplicitous remainers had voted for Mays deal, voila, Boris would not be PM. So not only are you responsible for a probable no deal, you were very instrumental in getting Boris for your PM.????????????

Why would remainers vote for any form of Brexit?

How many times does this need explained to you?

We didnt and still do not want any form of Brexit. Either Mays "deal" or Johnsons no deal.

Which football team do you support and have you at any time, ever, supported the team you are playing against?

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Just now, Rookiescot said:

Why would remainers vote for any form of Brexit?

How many times does this need explained to you?

We didnt and still do not want any form of Brexit. Either Mays "deal" or Johnsons no deal.

Which football team do you support and have you at any time, ever, supported the team you are playing against?

You can explain untill you are blue in the face for all I care, you are not listening to what anyone says to you.

You got what you deserved, nothing, all because you refused to accept a democratic vote. At the end of the day one day you might realise that democracy is not all about you, it involves many more people than that. 

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2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Vogie you cant expect remainers to vote for any form of Brexit. Even Brino as you like to call it.

This is because they want to remain in the EU.

Staying in the EU is a known value. We know what it means.

You Brexiteers voted to leave without the terms and conditions being defined. Hence the absolute shambles which has followed.

I dont blame you Vogie. You voted for what you thought was best for the country.

The people I blame are those who lied to you about what Brexit would look like when we eventually left.

Johnson, Gove, Farage and Cummins to name but a few.

The EU has never truly been a known quantity - too many secrets - when you think you know it, it just grows another head. It certainly is not the status quo.

 

In the 70's, who would have known what a corrupt mess it would become (apart from Heath & Co)?

 

No lies from the pro remain side before the referendum then? 

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54 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

When Covid first came to light and Boris stood up and faced the press at the daily briefings, I gave him kudos for that, especially as it followed the hiding in the toilet incident.  I, like most others, were suckered into all the spin and promises.  Didn't last long as all the cracks started to appear and people realised that the handling of the pandemic was an unmitigated disaster.  Then he disappeared from the briefings almost completely leaving others to deal with the awkward questions. 

 

His one saving grace was to give the new chancellor of the exchequer control of the cheque book and he grasped it with both hands.  I will give Rishi Sunak credit for the way he quickly put in place the financial safety net that allowed businesses to stay afloat.  In fact I would even go as far as to say that he looks far more like a proper politician than any of the other charlatans in the cabinet.

 

So there you go Vogie.  I will put my hands together for Rishi Sunak.  Happy now?

writing cheques your finances can,t cover is never a solution.that money could have been better utilised than paying people80% of their wages to sit at home and scratch themselves for 6 months,all hes done is delay the inevitable,theres a tsunami of job losses in the post,which will start in october.

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22 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And Boris makes the situation worse every day. And the UK voters wanted Boris and Brexit. Amazing UK.

I wish them good luck. They will need a lot of that.

 

 

 

     Rather timid performance ..

          I much prefer the aggressive opposition , of red blood socialism . 

          Any names , come too mind ?. 

            Keir <deleted> .. 

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8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The EU has never truly been a known quantity - too many secrets - when you think you know it, it just grows another head. It certainly is not the status quo.

 

In the 70's, who would have known what a corrupt mess it would become (apart from Heath & Co)?

 

No lies from the pro remain side before the referendum then? 

please correct me if i,m wrong, but wasn,t it a "common market " we voted for in the 70s ?

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2 hours ago, kingdong said:

when i hear the word remainers,why do i mentally associate it with a battered wife in a violent abusive relationship whos too frightened to leave?

Blimey, what sort of couples do you mix with?

When I hear the word remain, I think of parties in my youth- 'What time did you leave?'

''We remained to the end, ended up dancing in the garden at sunrise.'

Bop till you drop,

Remain, return once again.

 

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23 hours ago, kingdong said:

should get a few bob for that big red bus,tariffs?theres a whole world out there outside the eu.

     Not forgetting , 

Nigela Farage , was the clippy , on the big red bus .

   Strange World we live in ..

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38 minutes ago, kingdong said:

please correct me if i,m wrong, but wasn,t it a "common market " we voted for in the 70s ?

It was generally termed "common market" in the UK to refer to what was, then, the European Economic Community. We didn't actually vote for it per se. Heath signed us in in 1973 without a referendum first. In 1975 Wilson allowed a referendum and the UK voted to remain in - little had happened on the political front by then and the fishermen were the only ones particularly upset as the CFP had already had had a bad effect. As the economic adjective imples, the term "common market" did seem to make sense. In the mid 70's the UK was still mostly consumed by its domestic economic problems (oil price/ coal miners / strikes / unions and the rest) and there was high unemployment etc. The only way to truly understand the large political implications of joining the EEC would have been for everyone to spend a couple of weeks reading and then trying to digest the Treaty of Rome, the general availability of which was not exactly abundant at the time - no internet, of course. 

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27 minutes ago, Proboscis said:

Not quite. Although you will keep the 13 billion, you will either have to pay out for all the programs that the EU provides in the UK or not provide those programs. The programs include regional aid, agricultural subsidies, educational programs and much much more. But the really huge loss will be in trade, including the loss of jobs in exporting industries and the hike in costs of imports. Far more than the miserable 13 billion that you worry about will be wiped off the GDP of the country in 2021 if there is a no deal Brexit. Good luck with that.

Much much more? Sounds like you are trying to sell me something!

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13 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

No Vogie. YOU voted for this mess.

Newton states that every action has an equal and opposite reaction, therefore your inaction leaves you where we are today, up a gumtree waving an EU flag whilst singing 'Don't Leave me This Way'

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