Special Tourist Visa a safe way of allowing foreigners to visit Thailand, says DDC

[Madeline Thompson]

This will work!!  It's a start on getting the tourist  industry on the

move again. A smart move, as it's set up to catch winter-bound

westerners trying to figure out their winter getaway.  I think it will

attract quite a few tourists.  It's also a way of foreigners who've been

trying for months to get back to Thailand, to finally be able to do that.

Well done!!

[Kaopad999]

31 minutes ago, John CS said:

Masks work ? no,

the idea that you /we can control a virus by our behaviour is another falsehood , viruses work through their hosts & mutate until they are no longer effective, because the hosts (that's us) develop immunity through the use of our immune system, mental& physical well being,  nothing else.

Thailand is fortunate with its climate & relatively low levels of pollution & good food & not overly sedentary lifestyles

I have attached a CDC report in 2018 stating there is NO clinical evidence that masks are effective, & below this is a BMJ report re-confirming and stating that mask wearing actually increases infection, for influenza like viruses,  I provide this to help you understand that as humans we live with many viruses & that you should take comfit in this fact , understand vaccination is a monetary intetest & also not believe too much in Media scare stories. There is an agenda around this particular media friendly virus, it serves a wider function. Go well & no fear.

What evidence do we have that wearing a mask is effective in preventing COVID-19?

There are several strands of evidence supporting the efficacy of masks.

One category of evidence comes from laboratory studies of respiratory droplets and the ability of various masks to block them. An experiment using high-speed video found that hundreds of droplets ranging from 20 to 500 micrometers were generated when saying a simple phrase, but that nearly all these droplets were blocked when the mouth was covered by a damp washcloth. Another study of people who had influenza or the common cold found that wearing a surgical mask significantly reduced the amount of these respiratory viruses emitted in droplets and aerosols.

But the strongest evidence in favor of masks come from studies of real-world scenarios. “The most important thing are the epidemiologic data,” said Rutherford. Because it would be unethical to assign people to not wear a mask during a pandemic, the epidemiological evidence has come from so-called “experiments of nature.”

A recent study published in Health Affairs, for example, compared the COVID-19 growth rate before and after mask mandates in 15 states and the District of Columbia. It found that mask mandates led to a slowdown in daily COVID-19 growth rate, which became more apparent over time. The first five days after a mandate, the daily growth rate slowed by 0.9 percentage-points compared to the five days prior to the mandate; at three weeks, the daily growth rate had slowed by 2 percentage-points.

[Marco100]

9 hours ago, jwbrit said:

Well I do think the Covid control in Thailand has been remarkable and I've been a doubter about it's accuracy but I've come to realize that the Thai gossip train is too strong to cover up Covid. If Covid was here people would be talking about it. Do you know there are hundreds of volunteers attached to the hospitals in every town/village checking locals health for Covid and other conditions?  Also Thai people listen to and follow orders/recommendations from doctors because they are respected. America is the opposite. I do think there's some political influences too. With the ongoing protests I think the PM looks good to have near zero cases, hence the dithering about re-opening.

What about the 437.000 Patient under Investigation, (PUI ),  encresing every day ?

You think there is no CV cases between this 437.000 Patient under Investigation?

I do not want to speculate but probably there are a few .

 

[spidermike007]

Vacation ideas? Think I will choose Thailand. A self imposed prison sentence of 14 days, and a health insurance policy I do not need, without a pandemic exception. An expensive charter flight, covid tests and then after spending $5000 to $7000 I can start my vacation. 

 

Amazing Thailand. Land of the onerous vacation. 

[BritManToo]

What I don't understand about all these whacky ideas the big boys keep coming up with.

1) Do they seriously think significant numbers of people will jump for them? or ........

2) are they deliberately trying to discourage tourism?

 

1 stupid, or 2 smart ....... what do you think?

Edited September 18, 2020 by BritManToo

[BritManToo]

Just now, spidermike007 said:

Vacation ideas? Think I will choose Thailand. A self imposed prison sentence of 14 days, and a health insurance policy I do not need, without a pandemic exception. An expensive charter flight, covid tests and then after spending $5000 to $7000 I can start my vacation. 

Amazing Thailand. Land of the onerous vacation. 

 ..... and why do they ban alcohol in the quarantine rooms?

[BritManToo]

3 hours ago, Madeline Thompson said:

I think it will

attract quite a few tourists.  It's also a way of foreigners who've been

trying for months to get back to Thailand, to finally be able to do that.

They aren't tourists.

[Marco100]

I think that a Negative Covid Certificate made 72 Hours before boarding / depating to Thailand and a Covid Test at arrival both for Thai Citizens and Foreigners would be enough , leaving space for minimal collateral damage . That's the only way to get back Tourists in decent amounts. 

Less dangerous than having the Tourists Industry decimated....

[Jumbo1968]

1 hour ago, Marco100 said:

What about the 437.000 Patient under Investigation, (PUI ),  encresing every day ?

You think there is no CV cases between this 437.000 Patient under Investigation?

I do not want to speculate but probably there are a few .

 

Probably never tested send home told to take paracetamol ?

[John CS]

6 hours ago, Kaopad999 said:

What evidence do we have that wearing a mask is effective in preventing COVID-19?

There are several strands of evidence supporting the efficacy of masks.

One category of evidence comes from laboratory studies of respiratory droplets and the ability of various masks to block them. An experiment using high-speed video found that hundreds of droplets ranging from 20 to 500 micrometers were generated when saying a simple phrase, but that nearly all these droplets were blocked when the mouth was covered by a damp washcloth. Another study of people who had influenza or the common cold found that wearing a surgical mask significantly reduced the amount of these respiratory viruses emitted in droplets and aerosols.

But the strongest evidence in favor of masks come from studies of real-world scenarios. “The most important thing are the epidemiologic data,” said Rutherford. Because it would be unethical to assign people to not wear a mask during a pandemic, the epidemiological evidence has come from so-called “experiments of nature.”

A recent study published in Health Affairs, for example, compared the COVID-19 growth rate before and after mask mandates in 15 states and the District of Columbia. It found that mask mandates led to a slowdown in daily COVID-19 growth rate, which became more apparent over time. The first five days after a mandate, the daily growth rate slowed by 0.9 percentage-points compared to the five days prior to the mandate; at three weeks, the daily growth rate had slowed by 2 percentage-points.

Strands of evidence do not represent medically approved clinical trials, there have been none of these to date concerning efficacy of masks

Interesting is the term growth rate of virus.

I wonder what determines the growth rate, the same unsuitable PCR method of testing , that seems to amplify the sensitivity of the Testing and does not identify the virus, but a miniscule section of the code.

Doctors only wear masks to prevent infection in an operation environment, they do not wear to prevent virus infection or spread. There are many examples/strands of evidence/experience provided from front line practising Doctors that this is the case.

Germ theory is considered an outdated model of disease theory by most epidemiologists except for Institutionalised Pharma backed / funded  concerns , practices for profit &  incentivisation for both Doctors & Govt.

If you consider this that individual germs/viruses are infact disease causing, I would think that this relationship has never been proven to Koch's postulates , only identified in a laboratory (in vitro )

Viruses are not the enemy , they exist in our bodies normally in the thousands & are only realised in a body that is in a diseased state.

Terrain theory considers Toxicity of your body causes disease , the virus (inanimate material) is the result of your immune system responding to that toxicity, the very antibody response our immune system generates, to combat the toxicity or poison.

No fear for the Invisible virus, it is our biome.

You will only be impacted if your immune system is compromised & you have other complications.

Healthy lifestyle, good organic fresh food & mental wellbeing are key, it is an avoidable tragedy that the lockdown process , denial of medical treatment & destruction of peoples livelihoods will cause more damage than the influenza COVID19 has.

 

[FarFlungFalang]

16 hours ago, Kaopad999 said:

Okay i should have made it clearer, closed borders meaning borders that have remained closed since the lock down up until now.  
And again, you conveniently skipped past the point about the use of Face masks, hand sanitizer & temperature checks. Why? 

The point about face masks is unproven and is still being debated and they weren't universally adopted any where that I saw,hand hygiene practiced and encouraged everywhere temperature checks won't catch the 80% of asymptomatic or those that are infected but before they show symptoms but are contagious.All these measures were implemented in late March after the virus had swept through Thailand which is why the numbers of detected cases is so low,most western country have mobile testing centres all over the place and are actively encouraging people to get tested for free,I don't see this happening happening here,why?

Edited September 18, 2020 by FarFlungFalang

[Dexxter]

On 9/17/2020 at 11:22 AM, webfact said:

While the business leader said that the pandemic's effect on tourism had not been as bad as first feared

What can be worse than ZERO tourists for most of the year? Negative tourism? Everyone abandoning the country?

[Dexxter]

On 9/17/2020 at 4:04 PM, JusticeGB said:

"He claimed that a predicted 3.2 trillion baht hit to tourism had proven to be wide of the mark; it was only 1.4 trillion and this was because Thailand had closed its doors to foreign tourism for most of the year."

 

What an idiot if he believes that why bother with tourists at all? Why has Thai Air gone into bankruptcy like many other restaurants and other tourist related businesses? Why are cities like Pattaya, Phuket, Chiangmai and islands like Koh Chang, Koh Samui etc pleading for the restrictions on foreign tourists to be lifted? Have the statistics that around 20% of Thailand's economy rely on tourism always been a lie?

Thai people can all go back to being rice farmers and send their crops to their masters in China. The elite don't give a damn.

[tomacht8]

Chairat Trairatanajaratporn, chief of the Tourism Council of Thailand said that the tourism sector is slowly recovering from the pandemic. 

 

LOL

How?

With closed borders? No tourists have come to the country since months. And the few who have been here since March are gradually forced to leave. And domestic tourism is also decreasing, because many Thais simply no have the money for holidays.

 

Would be nice if the Thai journalists would question such statements more.

 

1200 tourists per month are not the salvation of the tourism industry, but the absolute opposite: the death sentence.

[nkg]

21 hours ago, John CS said:

Masks work ? no,

the idea that you /we can control a virus by our behaviour is another falsehood , viruses work through their hosts & mutate until they are no longer effective, because the hosts (that's us) develop immunity through the use of our immune system, mental& physical well being,  nothing else.

Thailand is fortunate with its climate & relatively low levels of pollution & good food & not overly sedentary lifestyles

I have attached a CDC report in 2018 stating there is NO clinical evidence that masks are effective, & below this is a BMJ report re-confirming and stating that mask wearing actually increases infection, for influenza like viruses,  I provide this to help you understand that as humans we live with many viruses & that you should take comfit in this fact , understand vaccination is a monetary intetest & also not believe too much in Media scare stories. There is an agenda around this particular media friendly virus, it serves a wider function. Go well & no fear.

 

From number 16) on your Twitter screen-shot:

 

A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers:

 

 

Quote

The data from this study provide some reassurance about medical masks, and are the first data to show potential clinical efficacy of medical masks. Medical masks are used to provide protection against droplet spread, splash and spray of blood and body fluids.

 

You've chosen a part of the study that supports your own opinion, whilst leaving out the other (very important) conclusion that the study draws. If you don't believe me, have a look at the full study using the link below:

 

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577

 

 

Edited September 19, 2020 by nkg

[spidermike007]

19 hours ago, BritManToo said:

 ..... and why do they ban alcohol in the quarantine rooms?

When the administration imposes a 14 day prison (quarantine) sentence, at our expense, why would they want us to have fun, or be entertained?

 

Is there any medical correlation between quarantine, infection and safety, and a lack of alcohol? 

 

Actually, this is another in an extremely long line of rules, regulations and insane restrictions, seemingly designed to grind international tourism to an absolute halt, and insure that hundreds of billions of dollars are lost, trillions of dollars worth of investments in the tourism industry are written off, and millions remain unemployed for years into the foreseeable future. 

 

Nice job Prayuth. Kudos to the coward army. The sadism continues. 

[Sametboy2019]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12710684/anders-tegnell-scientist-sweden-coronavirus-without-lockdown-national-hero/

No lockdown, no masks, no sanitizer.