ChrisKC Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 21 hours ago, DrTuner said: Also know as sliding right on the top of the poverty curve. Works, but unpleasant. I doubt Thais after being used to McDonalds and Starbucks are willing to go back to chewing khauniauw. There seems to be an axiom being used often on this forum, that foreigners are needed as Thais don't want the work. Is this true? Was it always true? And an observation is, that unemployed through covid circumstances and therefore "poor", Thais can't be that poor to turn down any kind of employment, albeit temporary, that would have some impact on their actual/publicly perceived status. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lingba Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 21 hours ago, PatOngo said: With a population in excess of 65 million, why does Thailand even need to bring laborers from neighbouring countries? Could it be that the neighbours provide better quality, more reliable/energetic labor! ???? and cheaper wages 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micmichd Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, ChrisKC said: There seems to be an axiom being used often on this forum, that foreigners are needed as Thais don't want the work. Is this true? Was it always true? And an observation is, that unemployed through covid circumstances and therefore "poor", Thais can't be that poor to turn down any kind of employment, albeit temporary, that would have some impact on their actual/publicly perceived status. Guess Thais would be happier with a Mac Job than be unemployed. And their happier with their Thai families than to live on handouts. Of course, Thailand is an ageing society, too. But with their strong family ties they will survive. Not so sure about Europe where you'll soon face youth rioting against the old. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bender Rodriguez Posted September 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Expat Tom said: Thailand will pay the same price as America. Maybe in the future (20 years hence) you might see bumper stickers on Thai cars saying, "if I knew then what I know now I would have picked my own fruit, build my own buildings, and worked in my own low paying hotel jobs". big difference, people in USA can actually get CITIZENSHIP by marriage, full ownership of business, RIGHT to buy own land ... children born out of illegals in USA are AMERICANS... thailand: they just KICK OUT whatever they don't want anymore Edited September 19, 2020 by Bender Rodriguez 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 A post with unattributed content and the replies have been removed. Inflammatory posts and the replies have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chongalulu Posted September 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2020 5 hours ago, sandyf said: Take it you would have preferred Thailand followed the UK model, similar population, now looking at a new national lockdown to try and minimise the total projected covid related deaths of 69.5K by Jan 1st. https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-kingdom?view=total-deaths&tab=trend Remind me, how many covid related deaths in Thailand? 58 total Covid deaths......but 68 died on the road on Wednesday. What’s Thai for ‘proportionality' ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricorose Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Thailand is not alone with this reaction of foreigner. So could you imagine a world with close country's (surely not for the rich...)? Sad world development driven by fear and conservative leaders and brainwashed people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatOngo Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 2 hours ago, NanLaew said: Ouch! Thirty years eh? I feel your pain, I truly do. I only managed two, maybe three months tops of the brain numbing banality and low prestige of working in Thailand. Is that why you are so upset? I chose to work and make my money and build my professional reputation in the real world and reserved this parochial wee backwater called Thailand for relaxing, beer and skittles. You truly are an inspiration, pity no one listens to you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 5 hours ago, OnTheRun said: And it follows generals should run armies........ I seem to recall General George Washington ran a country. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smudger1951 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 20 hours ago, mark131v said: In other words lets turn the clock back 200 years when the serfs knew their place bet they wish they could turn off the internet that would be game, set and match!! Mark131tv, the net was tightening on the foreigner before this virus, after many years in Thailand I went home early last year and then could'nt return on my flight in March. If they continue like this they might as well declare it Year 0. Judging by Pattaya many have already returned to the fields. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 4 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said: 3600 viral pneumonia deaths of unknown cause when they stopped publishing the data in March and 433000 cases under investigation of which no follow up information has been forthcoming.That should give you an indication of what really happened in Thailand unless you believe the nonsense this administration publishes after all the mainstream media is owned by the same boys in green who run the show. Where is your figure for covid related deaths? Of course there is always the option to turn to unsubstantiated assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Ozark Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 22 hours ago, PatOngo said: With a population in excess of 65 million, why does Thailand even need to bring laborers from neighbouring countries? Could it be that the neighbours provide better quality, more reliable/energetic labor! ???? A lot of truth in that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatOngo Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 53 minutes ago, Lingba said: and cheaper wages Of course they (Myanmar, Lao, Khmer) work for cheaper wages, the point is, how many Thai's choose to sit on their lazy butts and watch rice grow than have a go and at least earn something ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 36 minutes ago, nchuckle said: 58 total Covid deaths......but 68 died on the road on Wednesday. What’s Thai for ‘proportionality' ? What is English for not seeing "road deaths" in the the thread title? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chongalulu Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, sandyf said: What is English for not seeing "road deaths" in the the thread title? There’s an English word , 'blinkered' for being unable to understand 'context'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEE TEE Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 5 hours ago, NanLaew said: I don't see the word 'farang' anywhere in the referenced OP. Now if some lonely farang sociopaths with fragile ego's and an overinflated sense of their societal value here have introduced it in the interim four pages, then that's par for the course IMHO. sorry i thought foreigners were called ferang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnthplumb Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 22 hours ago, johng said: Sharp rise in infections because of a sharp rise in testing for infections ? lets hear about how many of those infections require hospitalisation or result in deaths and how many have mild or no symptoms. Good luck waiting for that resul. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, nchuckle said: There’s an English word , 'blinkered' for being unable to understand 'context'. You mean like the context of using road deaths as some sort of excuse for low covid figures. Two separate issues that require separate solutions, there is no "proportionality" between the two. The "blinkered" are those that fail to recognise the difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisH Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 22 hours ago, ThailandRyan said: If you would test the public you would see that Thais have Covid already and are asymptomatic. This is getting so old. The mass testing that has been done just doesn't show this. 7000+ in Rayong, 1000+ following the DJ and footballer cases are ALL negative. Any significant number of asymptomatic carriers will untimately lead to infection of others that cause symptoms. What is getting old is your diatribe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chongalulu Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 21 minutes ago, sandyf said: You mean like the context of using road deaths as some sort of excuse for low covid figures. Two separate issues that require separate solutions, there is no "proportionality" between the two. The "blinkered" are those that fail to recognise the difference. 'Contrast' - another word for you to look up. Contrast the respective avoidance measures ,economic impact and costs to achieve the commonality of fewer deaths . Or are you still struggling to grasp that deaths (or avoidance thereof) is the common theme.? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puzzler Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 What he states is correct. But I don't understand what planet he lives on. This is a coronavirus! It WILL eventually be endemic within Thailand and all the current efforts are just postponing the inevitable. Sad but very probably true. So, Thailand will have pushed itself into serious poverty for fear of something that can't be avoided. More mindfulness is required by the political leaders so that they can better understand the reasons they are making bad decisions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRGF Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Being a snow bird I will be missing my warm winter break this year but the good Dr. is right. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micmichd Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Puzzler said: What he states is correct. But I don't understand what planet he lives on. This is a coronavirus! It WILL eventually be endemic within Thailand and all the current efforts are just postponing the inevitable. Sad but very probably true. So, Thailand will have pushed itself into serious poverty for fear of something that can't be avoided. More mindfulness is required by the political leaders so that they can better understand the reasons they are making bad decisions. He's a medical advisor, not a lawmaker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zikomat Posted September 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2020 The idea of walling away from the outside world, however reasonable it may sound, is inhuman in its essence. You there , you may die, we, meanwhile are better than you, smarter than you, luckier than you - we will live on. And this attitude is caused by the relatively week virus alone. I am afraid to imagine what may happen in case of something more deadly and serious shows up. The foreigners might then be exterminated only for being foreigners and all kind of ‘intellectual elites’ will explain to the masses why such treatment is fully justified. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FarFlungFalang Posted September 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, sandyf said: Where is your figure for covid related deaths? Of course there is always the option to turn to unsubstantiated assumptions. My figure of covid related deaths is right there at the beginning of my post,it's about 3600 which seems to fit as a better number than the 59 this administration has determined which is so incongruous to the rest of the world that it beggars belief wouldn't you say sandy?Can you substantiate the number of 59 deaths?We can't even verify the 3600 viral pneumonia number anymore as they removed that particular embarrassing outlet of data.It's pretty hard to substantiate just about any information we use in our arguments as it's just about all second hand it's the best we can do to discuss the veracity of such data and decide from there what to believe and I believe very little of what I read and remain open to continue to discuss as I have very little chance of "knowing",in the true sense of the word,anything.I try to ask and answer questions in an attempt to rationalise the information the best I can with what little intellect I posses. Edited September 19, 2020 by FarFlungFalang 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarFlungFalang Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 hour ago, sandyf said: You mean like the context of using road deaths as some sort of excuse for low covid figures. Two separate issues that require separate solutions, there is no "proportionality" between the two. The "blinkered" are those that fail to recognise the difference. To quote ZZ Top "driving while blind" seems rather an apt description which could also describe what most governments are doing in this pandemic! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micmichd Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 28 minutes ago, Zikomat said: The idea of walling away from the outside world, however reasonable it may sound, is inhuman in its essence. You there , you may die, we, meanwhile are better than you, smarter than you, luckier than you - we will live on. And this attitude is caused by the relatively week virus alone. I am afraid to imagine what may happen in case of something more deadly and serious shows up. The foreigners might then be exterminated only for being foreigners and all kind of ‘intellectual elites’ will explain to the masses why such treatment is fully justified. It is not only CoviD-19. Have you got any idea how often I heard Germans call Thais worthless alphabetic monkeys that don't deserve a look even when they are bleeding in the streets? Arrogant stupid Germans that can't even speak their own language and call me arrogant because I'm an intellectual. And stupid or even a pedophile because I tried to save Thai childrens' lives. Any idea how that feels? How come you expect Thais to follow a Golden Rule when you never did? Because you think you're better than Thais? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russel Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 If you hear these so-called experts you should never reopen An endless lockdown About sufficiency economy philosophy not even worth to commenting it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TERMINATOR3AB Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Very Sad I hope they find a vacine soon but worry will normal Thaia,s even get it I am sure like the tests they will have to pay for it and by then many will not be able to afford it Perhaps world health will give for free MMMM maybe but those in power will still want to charge for it I am sure Good Luck Thailand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarFlungFalang Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, TERMINATOR3AB said: Very Sad I hope they find a vacine soon but worry will normal Thaia,s even get it I am sure like the tests they will have to pay for it and by then many will not be able to afford it Perhaps world health will give for free MMMM maybe but those in power will still want to charge for it I am sure Good Luck Thailand I think in most places they are saying it's going to be free,that is to say it will be paid for by tax payers money at what ever price is demanded by the companies that are not providing it free of charge.So it will not be free as medicine is a business and quite a profitable one from what I've heard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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