Majority of Americans, including many Republicans, say wait for election to replace Ginsburg - Reuters poll

[Scott]

Inflammatory post and replies removed.

 

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, DaftToPutRealName said:

I thought we were supposed to "believe all women". 

At least, that's what it was like when Kavanaugh was under media pressure - are we flip-flopping again now that it's politically inconvenient to stick to our morality?

Maybe you believe all women. I have never blazed that trail. I believe people who earn my trust, or are generally trustworthy. Reid? Are you kidding me? Her testimony did not stand up to even the most basic questioning. She was no doubt a GOP hired hand. 

[mlmcleod]

16 hours ago, riclag said:

The law of the land gives the office of the Presidency  no matter who sits in it, the right to appoint a potential justice for the SC

 

Its up to the senate to confirm that candidate ,to fill a vacancy by a majority vote!

 

The electoral vote elected a President in 2016 to carry out his  constitutional duties as the POTUS ,one of those is appointing someone to fill a SCJ vacancy  during their term in office. 
The people  don't decide the procedures of the senate,the constitution makes that clear ,despite a reuters poll !

 

 

 

Trump has never carried out his constitutional duties to date.  Why start now?  The desperate Republicans will do anything they can to screw Biden, so I suspect that there will be a vote probably by the end of the week.

 

Vote in November, if Trump allows!

[OZinPattaya]

RBG deserves respect but who cares what her dying wish was? She was hardly apolitical. She had her own political agenda to push. Of course she wouldn't want a new judge appointed now because that judge is guaranteed to be a conservative. What a shocking deathbed confession that must have been!

 

If a conservative judge died under similar circumstances, the left wing would be stampeding over kittens and babies right now to cram their progressive judge onto the bench. It's almost endearing to believe there are souls so simple--so Candide-like--on this forum as elsewhere that they actually believe the Democrats would do anything else. This is, after all, the "by any means necessary" left wing. And there has been literally nothing so far the Democrats haven't stooped to in order to further their own progressive agenda. And nothing they won't stoop to in the coming months. They've already threatened as much.

 

The nice thing is I am finally starting to hear the word "hypocrisy" from the mouths of left wingers. I honestly had thought that word no longer held any meaning for them, given that in the world of social justice everything is about 'power dynamics' and concepts like truth, logic, science, and rationality be damned. I'd thought a classical concept like hypocrisy was an element of "whiteness." Now they suddenly care about intellectual integrity, consistency of statement and thought. Just in time, and how convenient.

 

The senate needs to push this judge through as if they were linemen for the Chicago Bears. The right wing needs to be willing to employ the same cynical and ruthless political tactics that the left has been indulging in  (so, so sanctimoniously, by the way) nonstop for years now. I don't care about their threats, nor should anyone else. If Trump gets elected they will pull every dirty trick imaginable anyway. Nothing to lose. A judge to gain with lifetime tenure.

 

 

 

 

 

[OZinPattaya]

4 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

No. But we can admit the Dems have had to stoop so low to just keep at the same height as the GOP. 

I've said it before and will say it again; the GOP are playing 3 dimensional chess when it comes to politics; they cheat, lie and manipulate at a level the Dems can't even fathom.

It's time the Dems started playing the same game and started playing it just as nastily as the GOP. 

You got this reversed: It's the GOP that needs to learn from the ruthless tactics of the Dems. The mere fact that the Dems masquerade their Machiavellianism under the cloak of social-justice sentimentality and identitarian "wokeness" doesn't make their methods any less ruthless, just more hypocritical. The Republicans have been wimps, frankly, and have grossly underestimated the viciousness of the left wing where the ends always justify the means. Democrats--the 'by any means necessary' party. They'll let their own cities burn to the ground to spite their political foes.

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Which Joe Biden are you talking about?  The Joe Biden who favoured postponing appointment in an election cycle in 1992 during a Republican presidency or the Joe Biden who argued that an appointment should be made in an election year in 2016 while a Democrat was in office or the Joe Biden that believes an appointment should be made after an election in 2020 while a Republican president is in office.  I'm confused.

 

Washington Examiner - Joe Biden opposed, then supported, and now opposes again election-year Supreme Court nominations

The Joe Biden who has consistently maintained that Supreme Court Justice nominations should not be confirmed once the Presidential campaign is in full swing.

[Scott]

Off-topic replies to a now banned member have been removed. 

 

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, OZinPattaya said:

RBG deserves respect but who cares what her dying wish was? She was hardly apolitical. She had her own political agenda to push. Of course she wouldn't want a new judge appointed now because that judge is guaranteed to be a conservative. What a shocking deathbed confession that must have been!

 

If a conservative judge died under similar circumstances, the left wing would be stampeding over kittens and babies right now to cram their progressive judge onto the bench. It's almost endearing to believe there are souls so simple--so Candide-like--on this forum as elsewhere that they actually believe the Democrats would do anything else. This is, after all, the "by any means necessary" left wing. And there has been literally nothing so far the Democrats haven't stooped to in order to further their own progressive agenda. And nothing they won't stoop to in the coming months. They've already threatened as much.

 

The nice thing is I am finally starting to hear the word "hypocrisy" from the mouths of left wingers. I honestly had thought that word no longer held any meaning for them, given that in the world of social justice everything is about 'power dynamics' and concepts like truth, logic, science, and rationality be damned. I'd thought a classical concept like hypocrisy was an element of "whiteness." Now they suddenly care about intellectual integrity, consistency of statement and thought. Just in time, and how convenient.

 

The senate needs to push this judge through as if they were linemen for the Chicago Bears. The right wing needs to be willing to employ the same cynical and ruthless political tactics that the left has been indulging in  (so, so sanctimoniously, by the way) nonstop for years now. I don't care about their threats, nor should anyone else. If Trump gets elected they will pull every dirty trick imaginable anyway. Nothing to lose. A judge to gain with lifetime tenure.

 

 

3 hours ago, OZinPattaya said:

You got this reversed: It's the GOP that needs to learn from the ruthless tactics of the Dems. The mere fact that the Dems masquerade their Machiavellianism under the cloak of social-justice sentimentality and identitarian "wokeness" doesn't make their methods any less ruthless, just more hypocritical. The Republicans have been wimps, frankly, and have grossly underestimated the viciousness of the left wing where the ends always justify the means. Democrats--the 'by any means necessary' party. They'll let their own cities burn to the ground to spite their political foes.

Broad accusations with no specifics.  I find it especially amusing that you accuse the left of "truth, logic, science, and rationality be damned".   Is it the left or the right that calls Covid 19 a hoax, denies human involvement in climate change, and opposes teaching evolution in schools?

[RJRS1301]

4 hours ago, OZinPattaya said:

If a conservative judge died under similar circumstances, the left wing would be stampeding over kittens and babies right now to cram their progressive judge onto the bench. It's almost endearing to believe there are souls so simple--so Candide-like--on this forum as elsewhere that they actually believe the Democrats would do anything else

I am wondering what is so wrong with "progressive" thinkers in any branch of justice or administration?

Without progressive thinkers, we would be using horse and cart for transport, and writing with quills on parchment, and still have slavery

[Kelsall]

Trump will appoint and the Senate will confirm Amy Coney Barret before the election.  Should the election result end up in the Supreme Court, we need to have 9 justices to avoid a tie decision.

 

https://nypost.com/2020/09/21/mcconnell-says-trump-nominee-for-rbg-vacancy-will-be-voted-on-before-election/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons

Edited September 21, 2020 by Kelsall

[Tug]

19 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Trump will appoint and the Senate will confirm Amy Coney Barret before the election.  Should the election result end up in the Supreme Court, we need to have 9 justices to avoid a tie decision.

 

https://nypost.com/2020/09/21/mcconnell-says-trump-nominee-for-rbg-vacancy-will-be-voted-on-before-election/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons

Translation trump needs all the help he can get to steal the election and install himself as the autocract he so desperately desires to be after all he is what he is

[AdamKnight]

On 9/20/2020 at 7:27 PM, scorecard said:

How sweet, totally ignoring the morals of the situation. Such a shame so many folks have no morals.

"Folks" is a word rarely used in our common vernacular except somehow popular in democrat talking point hoopla. The correct and moral position our duly elected President Donald J. Trump is to seat a new Supreme Court Justice as is his duty. Reuters' undeniable left wing tendency is to poll heavily among their democrat ilk meaning it's the same old winger spew as always for decades.  Dismiss the democrat gaseous drivel and FILL THE SEAT. This is what the left would do in their dreams if only those pesky voters of the United States of America had entrusted them with that power but American voters did not. Instead the will of the people was asserted via votes that empowered an elected Republican majority in the Senate and the President. Voters knowingly and wilfully slammed the brakes on the democrat agenda. Period. It was the left's arrogant messiah Obama who so famously and smugly said, "Elections have consequences".  Ohhhh but when they lose the approval of voters it's suddenly "immoral, unfair".  Just the opposite, the immoral, hypocritical, deceitful, shameless and unfair, dirty tricksters are the American left. We should never forget how cruel the left was to Judge Bork, their below the belt smearing of Clarence Thomas and their scary, revealing, politburo treatment of Gorsuch during confirmation.

    There is a deeper ugliness in the American left and people see it more clearly than at any time since their Jim Crow era heyday. That's why Trump is gaining far more votes among black, lifelong democrat Americans than any President in my lifetime, same goes for Hispanics.  Trump even won in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, will possibly even win MINNESOTA which means a seismic shift in the political landscape of the USA. Now it's the Supreme Court, of course the left is unhinged.  Completely reduced, self immolating desperadoes, just look at their candidate Biden, an antique who can't complete a sentence, a doddering codger, a forgetful fossil who can't repeat a 10 word  democrat buzz phrase, a bird legged geezer stooge of China, a sniffer of children, a touchy feely kind of diaper drizzling senior, the chosen presidential candidate who forgets what state he is in and thinks he's running for senate, a plagiarist of Neil Kinnock of all people, a copycat of Kennedy word for word, a low IQ lying lobcock, the left's very own dog-faced pony soldier.  

Edited September 22, 2020 by AdamKnight
spelling error

[scorecard]

10 minutes ago, AdamKnight said:

"Folks" is a word rarely used in our common vernacular except somehow popular in democrat talking point hoopla. The correct and moral position our duly elected President Donald J. Trump is to seat a new Supreme Court Justice as is his duty. Reuters' undeniable left wing tendency is to poll heavily among their democrat ilk meaning it's the same old winger spew as always for decades.  Dismiss the democrat gaseous drivel and FILL THE SEAT. This is what the left would do in their dreams if only those pesky voters of the United States of America had entrusted them with that power but American voters did not. Instead the will of the people was asserted via votes that empowered an elected Republican majority in the Senate and the President. Voters knowingly and wilfully slammed the brakes on the democrat agenda. Period. It was the left's arrogant messiah Obama who so famously and smugly said, "Elections have consequences".  Ohhhh but when they lose the approval of voters it's suddenly "immoral, unfair".  Just the opposite, the immoral, hypocritical, deceitful, shameless and unfair, dirty tricksters are the American left. We should never forget how cruel the left was to Judge Bork, their below the belt smearing of Clarence Thomas and their scary, revealing, politburo treatment of Gorsuch during confirmation.

    There is a deeper ugliness in the American left and people see it more clearly than at any time since their Jim Crow era heyday. That's why Trump is gaining far more votes among black, lifelong democrat Americans than any President in my lifetime, same goes for Hispanics.  Trump even won in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, will possibly even win MINNESOTA which means a seismic shift in the political landscape of the USA. Now it's the Supreme Court, of course the left is unhinged.  Completely reduced, self immolating desperadoes, just look at their candidate Biden, an antique who can't complete a sentence, a doddering codger, a forgetful fossil who can't repeat 10 word a democrat buzz phrase, a bird legged geezer stooge of China, a sniffer of children, a touchy feely kind of diaper drizzling senior, the chosen presidential candidate who forgets what state he is in and thinks he's running for senate, a plagiarist of Neil Kinnock of all people, a copycat of Kennedy word for word, a low IQ lying lobcock, the left's very own dog-faced pony soldier.  

Yawn, big yawn, very big yawn.

 

I guess you polish you MAGA hat every day?

 

 

[AdamKnight]

6 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Yawn, big yawn, very big yawn.

 

I guess you polish you MAGA hat every day?

 

 

clever, that's all you can think of ?

[Sujo]

And yet trump in 2016 said himself that the new justice should be appointed after the election by the new president.

 

So he wasnt concerned about constitutional duty then.

[scorecard]

1 minute ago, AdamKnight said:

clever, that's all you can think of ?

More yawns...

[Morch]

42 minutes ago, AdamKnight said:

"Folks" is a word rarely used in our common vernacular except somehow popular in democrat talking point hoopla. The correct and moral position our duly elected President Donald J. Trump is to seat a new Supreme Court Justice as is his duty. Reuters' undeniable left wing tendency is to poll heavily among their democrat ilk meaning it's the same old winger spew as always for decades.  Dismiss the democrat gaseous drivel and FILL THE SEAT. This is what the left would do in their dreams if only those pesky voters of the United States of America had entrusted them with that power but American voters did not. Instead the will of the people was asserted via votes that empowered an elected Republican majority in the Senate and the President. Voters knowingly and wilfully slammed the brakes on the democrat agenda. Period. It was the left's arrogant messiah Obama who so famously and smugly said, "Elections have consequences".  Ohhhh but when they lose the approval of voters it's suddenly "immoral, unfair".  Just the opposite, the immoral, hypocritical, deceitful, shameless and unfair, dirty tricksters are the American left. We should never forget how cruel the left was to Judge Bork, their below the belt smearing of Clarence Thomas and their scary, revealing, politburo treatment of Gorsuch during confirmation.

    There is a deeper ugliness in the American left and people see it more clearly than at any time since their Jim Crow era heyday. That's why Trump is gaining far more votes among black, lifelong democrat Americans than any President in my lifetime, same goes for Hispanics.  Trump even won in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, will possibly even win MINNESOTA which means a seismic shift in the political landscape of the USA. Now it's the Supreme Court, of course the left is unhinged.  Completely reduced, self immolating desperadoes, just look at their candidate Biden, an antique who can't complete a sentence, a doddering codger, a forgetful fossil who can't repeat a 10 word  democrat buzz phrase, a bird legged geezer stooge of China, a sniffer of children, a touchy feely kind of diaper drizzling senior, the chosen presidential candidate who forgets what state he is in and thinks he's running for senate, a plagiarist of Neil Kinnock of all people, a copycat of Kennedy word for word, a low IQ lying lobcock, the left's very own dog-faced pony soldier.  

 

You had a point, more or less, up to your over-the-top Biden rant. From there onward, all you've got on offer is the usual fare made out of insults, lies and conspiracy theory. Sad.

[RocketDog]

On 9/21/2020 at 7:29 AM, riclag said:

The people of America voted for the senate to carry out its duties(procedures) twice Once in 2016 and 2018. Sorry my fellow country men your stuck with this whether you like it or not!   Now they are waiting for the POTUS to do his duty so they can perform theirs.

Elections have consequences!!!

Your last sentence is truth. I can only hope the mistake made in 2016 and the resultant chaos and destruction have taught Americans that they must maintain constant vigilance against despots and souless charlatans.

 

That wouid be the sole beneficial legacy of the Trump Era. (it's only been 4 years but seems like a lifetime) 

[connda]

If the shoe was on the other foot, the other foot would be doing the exact same thing.
Now for the fun of watching the knife fight scene straight out of A Westside Story.

"The Democrats they grumbles: "Fair fight." But if they start a rumble, We'll rumble 'em right."

Edited September 22, 2020 by connda

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, AdamKnight said:

The correct and moral position our duly elected President Donald J. Trump is to seat a new Supreme Court Justice as is his duty.

Mighty rich but vastly hyprocritical when it was the Republicans majority in the senate that denied Obama carrying out his moral and correct duty to nominate Merrick Garland. Then it was proclaimed by McConnell that "the American people should have a say" but now sadly forgotten conveniently. 

[heybruce]

34 minutes ago, connda said:

If the shoe was on the other foot, the other foot would be doing the exact same thing.
Now for the fun of watching the knife fight scene straight out of A Westside Story.

"The Democrats they grumbles: "Fair fight." But if they start a rumble, We'll rumble 'em right."

Difficult to imagine the shoe being on the other foot, when the Democrats have never done something as blatantly hypocritical as what McConnell plans to do.

[checkered flag]

42 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Difficult to imagine the shoe being on the other foot, when the Democrats have never done something as blatantly hypocritical as what McConnell plans to do.

What about the sham impeachment without cross examination allowed and zero substance? Give me a break!

[Morch]

Just now, checkered flag said:

What about the sham impeachment without cross examination allowed and zero substance? Give me a break!

 

Did you have as many issues with the President not being interviewed or interrogated during the Mueller investigation?

[checkered flag]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Did you have as many issues with the President not being interviewed or interrogated during the Mueller investigation?

The Mueller investigation has been shown to be a sham partisan effort to make up  evidence of non existing wrongdoing. C'mon Man!

[Morch]

6 minutes ago, checkered flag said:

The Mueller investigation has been shown to be a sham partisan effort to make up  evidence of non existing wrongdoing. C'mon Man!

 

Other than in Trump supporters alternative facts rants, it wasn't.

 

[Mick501]

18 hours ago, Sujo said:

Which republicans did not agree with. Get it?

Never short of a passive aggressive comment.  Hateful Dems at their finest.

[heybruce]

38 minutes ago, checkered flag said:

What about the sham impeachment without cross examination allowed and zero substance? Give me a break!

 

33 minutes ago, checkered flag said:

The Mueller investigation has been shown to be a sham partisan effort to make up  evidence of non existing wrongdoing. C'mon Man!

The "sham impeachment" was for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.   If you refuse to see how that was warranted there is no hope for you.  Likewise if you refuse to accept Russian interference in the 2016 election, obvious warning signs of Trump campaign officials with shady relations to Russia, and the urgent need to investigation possible conspiracy.

 

What even you can not deny is that Mitch McConnell refused to allow the vote on confirming Merrick Garland in early 2016, and now plans to have a confirmation vote on whoever Trump nominates less than six weeks before the election.  In the last 100 years there has not been a confirmation of a Supreme Court Justice within nine months of a Presidential election.

[johnnybangkok]

17 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Wow.  Just wow.  I'm pretty good at expressing my thoughts but your first paragraph leaves me speechless.  I'll leave you to indulge in your own thoughts on that topic.  But . . . wow.

 

 

....and you call us snowflakes!

[Tippaporn]

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

Difficult to imagine the shoe being on the other foot, when the Democrats have never done something as blatantly hypocritical as what McConnell plans to do.

 

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Mighty rich but vastly hyprocritical when it was the Republicans majority in the senate that denied Obama carrying out his moral and correct duty to nominate Merrick Garland. Then it was proclaimed by McConnell that "the American people should have a say" but now sadly forgotten conveniently. 

Did you guys miss this post?

 

18 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Which Joe Biden are you talking about?  The Joe Biden who favoured postponing appointment in an election cycle in 1992 during a Republican presidency or the Joe Biden who argued that an appointment should be made in an election year in 2016 while a Democrat was in office or the Joe Biden that believes an appointment should be made after an election in 2020 while a Republican president is in office.  I'm confused.

 

Washington Examiner - Joe Biden opposed, then supported, and now opposes again election-year Supreme Court nominations

What were you guys saying about "hypocritical?"

 

Please explain Joe's hypocritical flip flopping.  And also please tell us all how his flip flopping has nothing to do with partisan politics and it's somehow rooted in noble principles.

 

Seems the Dems and libs here just want to bleat endlessly about the unfairness while projecting themselves as honourable people who follow only the righteous path.  Joe isn't following it.  Obama isn't following it.  Schumer isn't following it.

 

Let's face it . . . it's all politics and this is an issue the Dems lose.  Don't worry about it so much.  When the Dems retake the Senate and presidency they can stack the court with four more justices.  Right?

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Did you guys miss this post?

 

What were you guys saying about "hypocritical?"

 

Please explain Joe's hypocritical flip flopping.  And also please tell us all how his flip flopping has nothing to do with partisan politics and it's somehow rooted in noble principles.

 

Seems the Dems and libs here just want to bleat endlessly about the unfairness while projecting themselves as honourable people who follow only the righteous path.  Joe isn't following it.  Obama isn't following it.  Schumer isn't following it.

 

Let's face it . . . it's all politics and this is an issue the Dems lose.  Don't worry about it so much.  When the Dems retake the Senate and presidency they can stack the court with four more justices.  Right?

Its not a flip flop to follow procedure that has changed. Its following the rules, not changing them.