Popular Post tomazbodner Posted September 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2020 On 9/22/2020 at 8:15 PM, asiacurious said: True! And yet..... Giving people 7 days actual notice to leave when there is a pandemic raging around the world is not only cruel, it's unreasonable and probably not possible. Let's take the possible part first In 2019 there were an average 683 international departures from Thailand every single day. It was easy to book something and leave within 7 days and people who were here as a tourist and stayed for only 30 or 60 days wouldn't have had much stuff to deal with before leaving. ("Stuff" includes practical things as well as the possible emotional attachments or issues with leaving/returning home.) Today there are/were 40 international flights departing Bangkok. So far 4 of them were canceled and about 1/2 are yet to depart. These are the destinations: 5 to Europe (3 Netherlands, 1 France, 1 Austria) 4 to China 4 to South Korea 4 to HKG (but 1 are canceled) 4 to Japan (but 3 are canceled) 3 to Philippines 2 to each of the following: Taiwan, Maldives, Qatar, UAE 1 to each of the following: Bhutan, Bangladesh, Cambodia, Malaysia, Myanmar, New Zealand, Singapore Many of those flights aren't open to transiting passengers. Notably there were none to Australia, UK, Canada, US, Russia, anywhere in South America. It is a simple fact that booking something to leave in the next 7 days is difficult, unreasonable, and likely impossible. It's unreasonable... We are talking about people. These are tough times. Lots of uncertainty, lots of stress. People who arrived on a tourist visa expecting to spend a few weeks or a couple of months here have become much less "tourist" and much more traditional expat. How would retirees or expats married to Thais feel if the government gave them 7 days to leave? How must those expats stuck abroad away from their families here feel? To order someone to pack up and leave within 7 days under normal circumstances... fine. But under these circumstances, it's simply unbelievable and unconscionable. Better would be to tell those people who they are denying further extensions to, "We have granted you a final 30 day extension. You may not apply for further extensions and you must leave within 30 days." That would be reasonable. That would be humane. I'm sorry but... you had 6 months to sort it out. You left it to the last second. Numbers were low in May/June. But you chose to stay. Now it's somehow Thailand's fault? 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 53 minutes ago, Peter Denis said: You are making the assumption that because it refers to immigration, it came from them. Governments make decisions, as people continue to point out, not immigration, they only implement decisions. Of course you are free to adopt any point of view that suits. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Denis Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 1 minute ago, sandyf said: You are making the assumption that because it refers to immigration, it came from them. Governments make decisions, as people continue to point out, not immigration, they only implement decisions. Of course you are free to adopt any point of view that suits. It was posted on the immigration website > www.immigration.go.th and in several languages, thai / english / french / russian / etc. It was also displayed on posters in several immigration offices (even in those that did not abide with it). But I agree > you are free to adopt any point of view that suits you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 11 hours ago, Banana7 said: Thailand has been extremely flexible, kind, understanding and generous extending tourist visas up to 26 Sept. I wouldn't gush all that much. You lost most readers after 'flexible'. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 36 minutes ago, sandyf said: 54 minutes ago, Peter Denis said: You are making the assumption that because it refers to immigration, it came from them. Governments make decisions, as people continue to point out, not immigration, they only implement decisions. Of course you are free to adopt any point of view that suits. Since it has Immigration's name, hotline number and website on it, what makes you think it came from anyone else? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 41 minutes ago, sandyf said: You are making the assumption that because it refers to immigration, it came from them. From this immigration notification. Immigration Notification Determination of Stay.pdf "(4) Starting period of permission for a temporary stay The period permitted to stay in the Kingdom is based on each case. The first date is on 27 September 2020;" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Peter Denis said: It was posted on the immigration website > www.immigration.go.th and in several languages, thai / english / french / russian / etc. It was also displayed on posters in several immigration offices (even in those that did not abide with it). But I agree > you are free to adopt any point of view that suits you. My point of view is not going to change things, you will continue to make the assumption that your interpretation is the only one possible, spreading potentially inaccurate information. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackdd Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, sandyf said: My point of view is not going to change things, you will continue to make the assumption that your interpretation is the only one possible, spreading potentially inaccurate information. As everybody can easily confirm by visiting the immigration website, the immigration bureau says that all extensions start from 27th. But you say that this is wrong? Looks like you are trying to troll. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 5 hours ago, ubonjoe said: From this immigration notification. Immigration Notification Determination of Stay.pdf "(4) Starting period of permission for a temporary stay The period permitted to stay in the Kingdom is based on each case. The first date is on 27 September 2020;" Like many others you are hung up on picking out bits to focus on rather than whole issue. The notification is merely an extension of government policy, unless of course you believe that the Immigration Bureau initiated the policy. "Notification of Ministry of Interior subject: a permission of stay in the Kingdom for certain groups of aliens under special circumstances (volume 3) dated 23 July 2020 which allow aliens for temporary stay in the Kingdom under their visa types (including visa on arrival), the alien being granted permission of temporary stay in the Kingdom under the exemption" The document makes it quite clear that effectively "all types" must leave the country by 26th Sept. "Aliens being permitted for a temporary stay in the Kingdom under tourist vis, transit-visa, visa on arrival and aliens permitted to stay under an exemption of visa of all types must leave the Kingdom within 26 September 2020," Then comes the exceptions. "Unless there is a reasonable necessity or obstacle of the departures, in such case, the aliens may submit an application to extend their temporary stay in the Kingdom under Article 2(1)." You should reflect on how the terms "all types" and "reason of necessity" were used in the full infographic regarding the announcement. I posted previously how it was explained to me by the head of Sri Ratcha immigration, not the underling that has been suggested, but you would need to understand context and implied relationship to recognise the validity of that explanation. I went to Sri Ratcha thinking the same as everyone else but when explained I could see what was being said, that only 30 day extensions based on medical certificate or embassy letter would be dated from the 27th Sept. The fact that some IOs have done things differently cannot be assumed to be the "right" way. I do not know if the explanation put forward by Sri Ratcha is what was intended or not, but it is the height of arrogance for anyone on this forum to say they have a definitive interpretation. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkered flag Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 38 minutes ago, jackdd said: As everybody can easily confirm by visiting the immigration website, the immigration bureau says that all extensions start from 27th. But you say that this is wrong? Looks like you are trying to troll. The date is what's stamped on the passport. That's what is important. If you miss that date you'll be on an overstay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 On 9/22/2020 at 8:39 PM, fishtank said: Perfectly reasonable. They have given people months to sort themselves out and some have not bothered. maybe because the govt changes their minds by the second 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 On 9/22/2020 at 8:39 PM, fishtank said: Perfectly reasonable. They have given people months to sort themselves out and some have not bothered. and as i mentioned changing their minds at the drop of an hat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sallecc Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 4 hours ago, bodga said: and as i mentioned changing their minds at the drop of an hat This is exactly what Phuket I/O officer told me yesterday, I thought it was nonsense... Anyway let's see if this is real and official... Although I paid extortion and sorted my visa already, I'd feel happy for all those who didn't had extortion money, or didn't want to spend Covid19 winter in the West... Those grudgy members will be very upset. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grin Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Maybe I missed an earlier post about Thai Airways flying to the USA. They have not even been allowed to fly to the USA for some years now. At some point they suffered a poor safety rating audit and the FAA downgraded Thai Airways to Category II. Thus they were no longer allowed to operate flights to the USA. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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