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1 minute ago, robblok said:

Id agree with you if you could not spread it and only get it. Now your body can endanger others.

 

Your logic is severely flawed and your intelligence is lacking. Your funny cartoons don't do much and your arguments are easy to debunk. Too easy that I don't even as it gets tiresome.

 

Stay home if you don't feel safe. 

 

Don't walk under any coconut trees. Don't cross the road. Don't swim in the sea in case of sharks. Life is a risk.

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Just now, Mama Noodle said:

 

You're making a-lot of assumptions way to early. You don't know how the lockdowns are going to effect politicians careers in the future, and I suspect it won't be positive. 

 

Also, the millions of Thais out of a job and the thousands and thousands of businesses closing or going bankrupt would probably disagree with your assessment of the border situation. 

Of course its not going to affect politicians careers positively. Neither do tax increases and sometimes hard decisions need to be made for the people. 

 

Yes your 100% right those affected would never agree with me, i don't expect them too. However all people who can now live relatively ok without lockdowns and companies that have started up again outnumber them a lot. The economy is doing better then it was in full lockdown mode. That is what we can get again.

 

There is no perfect solutions.

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4 minutes ago, nemo38 said:

 

Stay home if you don't feel safe. 

 

Don't walk under any coconut trees. Don't cross the road. Don't swim in the sea in case of sharks. Life is a risk.

 

I choose to walk under a coconut tree or cross the road I don't choose to come in contact with an infected person that wanted to go out and spread around. Different thing. It you who endangers others.

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6 minutes ago, nemo38 said:

China made the decision to stop testing for the virus. Bodies are not piling up in the streets. In fact, they are partying in Wuhan.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/nightclubs-wuhan-packed-coronavirus-epicentre-22712888

 

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They are having parties in The Netherlands too.. guess what more infected. They have parties in Thailand too.. what does it exactly prove ? could you explain what your point is ? 

 

Since countries have opened up more the virus has spread more. Cant deny that. And no bodies are not dropping (Yet) as we are better prepared. But going full open would put us right back when bodies were piling up.

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1 minute ago, robblok said:

Of course its not going to affect politicians careers positively. Neither do tax increases and sometimes hard decisions need to be made for the people. 

 

Yes your 100% right those affected would never agree with me, i don't expect them too. However all people who can now live relatively ok without lockdowns and companies that have started up again outnumber them a lot. The economy is doing better then it was in full lockdown mode. That is what we can get again.

 

There is no perfect solutions.

 

So basically the "greater good" argument, and don't worry about the ones falling through the cracks, the economy tanking, etc because covid is the only metric by which any person can measure the current state of the world. 

 

Nah, I fundamentally disagree with all that. 

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1 minute ago, robblok said:

 

I choose to walk under a coconut tree or cross the road I don't choose to come in contact with an infected person that wanted to go out and spread around. Different thing. It you who endangers others.

 

My walking around today puts you in no more danger than someone choosing to drive a car where you might cross the road. This isn't killing people unless they are really old or are at death's door. 

 

I have a right of free movement. Old people have the right to free movement in their last years. Give them the OPTION of isolating. 

 

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Just now, Mama Noodle said:

 

So basically the "greater good" argument, and don't worry about the ones falling through the cracks, the economy tanking, etc because covid is the only metric by which any person can measure the current state of the world. 

 

Nah, I fundamentally disagree with all that. 

Sorry I am not from the US in my country people dont fall through the cracks there are extensive corvid programs to help businesses. Sure some will go under but that happens. But then there is welfare.

 

You can disagree but not discredit the argument. You want your freedom and to hell with others. I want my freedom too but for now accept covid. 

 

What is your solution ? I mean its easy to complain.. give a solution.

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2 minutes ago, robblok said:

They are having parties in The Netherlands too.. guess what more infected. They have parties in Thailand too.. what does it exactly prove ? could you explain what your point is ? 

 

Since countries have opened up more the virus has spread more. Cant deny that. And no bodies are not dropping (Yet) as we are better prepared. But going full open would put us right back when bodies were piling up.

 

This isn't killing people unless they are really old or very sick already, contrary to the hysteria which people have subscribed to.

 

Give old people the OPTION of being safely isolated and let the rest of us crack on with repairing the damage the lockdown has caused.

 

 

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1 minute ago, nemo38 said:

 

My walking around today puts you in no more danger than someone choosing to drive a car where you might cross the road. This isn't killing people unless they are really old or are at death's door. 

 

I have a right of free movement. Old people have the right to free movement in their last years. Give them the OPTION of isolating. 

 

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Oh god did you escape from kindergarten. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, robblok said:

Sorry I am not from the US in my country people dont fall through the cracks there are extensive corvid programs to help businesses. Sure some will go under but that happens. But then there is welfare.

 

You can disagree but not discredit the argument. You want your freedom and to hell with others. I want my freedom too but for now accept covid. 

 

What is your solution ? I mean its easy to complain.. give a solution.

 

I talking about Thailand - The USA is mostly open. 

 

You want your freedom from covid and to hell with others. 

 

My solution is to accept covid, have social programs to educate people, fund PPE etc for the population, and keep on trucking until a vaccine is available.

 

Youre never going to both eliminate covid and recover from it unless there's a vaccine, and we dont even know if thats possible yet. 

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2 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

I talking about Thailand - The USA is mostly open. 

 

You want your freedom from covid and to hell with others. 

 

My solution is to accept covid, have social programs to educate people, fund PPE etc for the population, and keep on trucking until a vaccine is available.

 

Youre never going to both eliminate covid and recover from it unless there's a vaccine, and we dont even know if thats possible yet. 

Thailand is open for those who are here. Are you tourism related that would explain your stance.

 

I find Thailand perfect right now much better as under lockdown. I can do whatever I want just need a mask so that is not too bad.

 

So you want them to open up to tourist without quarantine and all. (most Thais don't agree with you) They like the freedoms they have now.

 

To be honest the country is ok besides the tourist sector. Better that they suffer then the whole country. 

 

I agree that there need to be a vaccine before we can do anything. I just believe that Thailand is doing it well this way. There were many good tourist years I am sure companies have saved those profits..... That is what is prudent.

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1 minute ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

I talking about Thailand - The USA is mostly open. 

 

You want your freedom from covid and to hell with others. 

 

My solution is to accept covid, have social programs to educate people, fund PPE etc for the population, and keep on trucking until a vaccine is available.

 

Youre never going to both eliminate covid and recover from it unless there's a vaccine, and we dont even know if thats possible yet. 

 

Give those who might die, the very old and already sick, the OPTION of isolating. Then the rest of us can work to pay for everything while developing herd immunity.

 

A vaccine won't change anything. The vaccine would only be 50% effective, so all the measures stay in place.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fauci-covid-19-vaccine-may-only-end-up-being-50-to-60-effective/ar-BB17HHfH

 

Also, in the UK, they already said there would be a never ending stream of vaccines.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8653639/Covid-present-FOREVER-warns-SAGE-scientist.html

 

The vaccine won't work on fatties anyway. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8665575/Coronavirus-vaccine-not-effective-obese-people-scientists-warn.html

 

 

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1 hour ago, robblok said:

Mate the covid deaths are actually much higher they have compared average death rates with the death rates now and it shows we have even underestimated covid deaths. No matter what people like you like to say its just not true.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53073046

 

This is far more deadly than the flu and if you get it you have lasting health damage often. That is not something the flu does.

 

Anyway are you denying covid exists like that braindead guy or just claiming its not as bad as it is made out to be. There is a difference between the two.

In one of your last posts in this thread you claimed that excess-deaths are far worse than reported and that you did PROVE it in an earlier post.

Always willing to learn I looked it up, and I presume this is the post you are referring to.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53073046

Hmmmm... An article dating of June 18, with data analysis till MAY 15.

Do you have any up-to-date figures to underpin your claim?

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2 minutes ago, nemo38 said:

 

Give those who might die, the very old and already sick, the OPTION of isolating. Then the rest of us can work to pay for everything while developing herd immunity.

 

A vaccine won't change anything. The vaccine would only be 50% effective, so all the measures stay in place.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fauci-covid-19-vaccine-may-only-end-up-being-50-to-60-effective/ar-BB17HHfH

 

Also, in the UK, they already said there would be a never ending stream of vaccines.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8653639/Covid-present-FOREVER-warns-SAGE-scientist.html

 

The vaccine won't work on fatties anyway. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8665575/Coronavirus-vaccine-not-effective-obese-people-scientists-warn.html

 

 

You take the dailymail as a source and you already know a vaccine that is not yet produced wont work on fatties and will be 50-60 percent effective.

 

Wow can you give me the lottery numbers too. I rather wait and see first. And the Dailymail is not really credible.

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1 minute ago, Peter Denis said:

In one of your last posts in this thread you claimed that excess-deaths are far worse than reported and that you did PROVE it in an earlier post.

Always willing to learn I looked it up, and I presume this is the post you are referring to.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53073046

Hmmmm... An article dating of June 18, with data analysis till MAY 15.

Do you have any up-to-date figures to underpin your claim?

No as it was proven then already. Why would they go back and prove something that has been proven already.

 

The best way is still to compare average death rates. I hope you can agree with that. Because the only thing changed is covid so if death rates are a lot higher then normal its all covid. No need for tests and so on. Its actually the best real check there is (if you think about it) Sure its not full proof but better then what is available. 

 

I am pleased your willing to learn so what did you learn from this article.. you probably learned that deaths are not being hidden at all as this clearly showed deaths being under reported. Just imagine the deaths in say India now. 

 

But you want current data. I cannot give you but this data is still valid. 

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