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1 minute ago, candide said:

As I said I don't deny China messed up at the beginning. As for this message, note (1) that the Chinese worded it quite cautiously: "preliminary investigation"..."no clear evidence" (evidence is not clear) (2) no country makes decisions based on a tweet, in particular as (3) the same day (that's why I showed it a my previous post), the WHO was making an official statement that there was H2H transmission and that hospital worldwide should get ready to face a spread.

 

The reason I introduce Trump is the OP. Trump tries to put all the blame on China and the WHO in the hope that people may forget about his mishandling of the crisis.

I don't care about Trump. My point is exclusive to the origin of the virus and the cover up that followed. That's why you quoted me. 

 

China knew a lot and didn't share. They were too busy allowing residents of Wuhan to travel outside of Wuhan to the rest of the world but not outside Hubei to the rest of China.

 

The CCP maintain their authority by having the economy look strong, having people in jobs, and making sure people are too scared to revolt. Admitting their weaknesses isn't negotiable to them. You may have noticed how they don't admit fault or say sorry. Their actions and decisions always have to appear to be right. Question that authority and go to jail or get disappeared. 

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Pretty much motherhood statement that anyone can read out. His blame game is distasteful and should self-reflect on his failure to protect his own citizens. 

This man has huge cojones to talk like this, and someone should put them Chinese in their place...

Luckily, regardless of how anyone here feels about Trump, we are all at least fair-minded enough to agree that this is a good speech, saying things that badly need to be said.  

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1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

I don't care about Trump. My point is exclusive to the origin of the virus and the cover up that followed. That's why you quoted me. 

 

China knew a lot and didn't share. They were too busy allowing residents of Wuhan to travel outside of Wuhan to the rest of the world but not outside Hubei to the rest of China.

 

The CCP maintain their authority by having the economy look strong, having people in jobs, and making sure people are too scared to revolt. Admitting their weaknesses isn't negotiable to them. You may have noticed how they don't admit fault or say sorry. Their actions and decisions always have to appear to be right. Question that authority and go to jail or get disappeared. 

Move along. It is end September and most countries have adopted a plan to fight the corona virus early and their deaths and infections are under control. Trump's USA still don't have any plan and he still keep harping the same blame narrative like you to deflect on his colossal failure to fight the virus.  

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4 hours ago, rkidlad said:

"All the published genetic sequences of SARS-CoV-2 isolated from human cases are very similar, suggesting that the start of the outbreak resulted from a single point introduction in the human population around the time that the virus was first reported in humans in Wuhan, China. The analyses of the published genetic sequences further suggest that the spillover from an animal source
to humans happened during the last quarter of 2019"

 

The only people arguing it's origin are the CCP and 'journalists' working for the Global Times or Xinhua, etc. It's well established where it came from. If it came from somewhere else, we'd have known. That's why it started in Wuhan. Because that's where it comes from. 

Did you even read those news items that I gave? Those were not news reports from Global Times or Xinhua.

I gave you many news reports from real news agencies, unlike yours which was just an opinion piece from an anti-China website.

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On 9/24/2020 at 12:25 PM, grumpy 4680 said:

        Trump is not the best US President, but he's right to condemn China and WHO, China's lies and cover up amounts to negligent manslaughter in any other language, of hundreds of thousand's of lives world wide, 

        The Chinese are only good at copying and stealing technology, they should not allowed to fool around with such terrible germ warfare activities, its not the first time, probably not the last, in their quest to be the master race. 

 

So we should only allow the USA. UK, Russia and the West to fool around with such terrible germ warfare activities. If you want to go back a few decades you could probably add Germany to the the list.

 

You could perhaps add Turkey and Syria to the current list.

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1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Move along. It is end September and most countries have adopted a plan to fight the corona virus early and their deaths and infections are under control. Trump's USA still don't have any plan and he still keep harping the same blame narrative like you to deflect on his colossal failure to fight the virus.  

After the revelation that Trump had played down the dangers of the virus, I just couldn't understand why is he still playing the blame game.

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6 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

So we should only allow the USA. UK, Russia and the West to fool around with such terrible germ warfare activities. If you want to go back a few decades you could probably add Germany to the the list.

 

You could perhaps add Turkey and Syria to the current list.

You're accepting the premise that the virus was the product of germ-warfare activities. A huge majority of virologists disagree.

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2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Move along. It is end September and most countries have adopted a plan to fight the corona virus early and their deaths and infections are under control. Trump's USA still don't have any plan and he still keep harping the same blame narrative like you to deflect on his colossal failure to fight the virus.  

Move along and ignore that China tired to cover this whole thing up? No thanks, Eric. We’re not all CCP apologists. 

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1 hour ago, Selatan said:

Did you even read those news items that I gave? Those were not news reports from Global Times or Xinhua.

I gave you many news reports from real news agencies, unlike yours which was just an opinion piece from an anti-China website.

The one I sent you is quotes from the CCP and the WHO. Like I said, you’re free to question any quotes by the CCP or WHO you don’t like. How about the one where they said there were no clear signs of human-to-human transmission when they knew weeks before that there absolutely were? 

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1 hour ago, plentyofnuttin said:

This isn't a zero sum game. It's possible for both Xi and Trump to have behaved badly. But we knew that in January China was already taking drastic steps to curtail the spread of the coronavirus. That should have been warning enough. Trump failed to follow suit.

Again, my argument isn’t about what Trump did or didn’t do. People seem to conflate being angry with the CCP for covering up the virus with supporting Trump. It’s unfortunate nowadays that many people think that condemning one thing means condoning another. It’s a simple and childish logic. 
 

You do know it’s possible for people to have two separate thoughts in their head at the same time, right? 

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1 hour ago, Selatan said:

After the revelation that Trump had played down the dangers of the virus, I just couldn't understand why is he still playing the blame game.

It's precisely for this reason that he is playing the blame game.

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17 hours ago, plentyofnuttin said:

You're accepting the premise that the virus was the product of germ-warfare activities. A huge majority of virologists disagree.

Actually I was replying to this post by grumpy 4680 who mentioned such terrible germ warfare activities.

 

 

On 9/24/2020 at 12:25 PM, grumpy 4680 said:

        Trump is not the best US President, but he's right to condemn China and WHO, China's lies and cover up amounts to negligent manslaughter in any other language, of hundreds of thousand's of lives world wide, 

        The Chinese are only good at copying and stealing technology, they should not allowed to fool around with such terrible germ warfare activities, its not the first time, probably not the last, in their quest to be the master race. 

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On 9/23/2020 at 4:27 AM, Eric Loh said:

Both Trump's narratives are not facts. Just his cover to defend himself from the failures to protect his own people. He still don't have a plan to protect his own people and that's a fact. 

That doesn't overshadow the fact that China has failed to contain the spread of the virus, from the beginning, and thus has spread it to the whole world.

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trump should be charged by the human rights court /for

lying to the people about the killer virus \could have saved 100000 lives if told truth/ and promoted the right fixes /wear masks etc 

promoting snake oil cures /all a hoax/

killing children at boarder you could go on and on of his crimes 

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On 9/23/2020 at 11:19 AM, Tug said:

Just Donald trying to distract from the fact that due to his incompetence 200,000 Americans are dead 

that's just the warm up act. Florida has decided to reopen all their bars and entertainment. This governor I believe is vying for the Jim Jones award for the most dead. If I lived there I would move..

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