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9 hours ago, dastakantattaka said:

That doesn't overshadow the fact that China has failed to contain the spread of the virus, from the beginning, and thus has spread it to the whole world.

What beginning? Spanish sewage samples from March 2019 had traces of the virus. 

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Pretty much motherhood statement that anyone can read out. His blame game is distasteful and should self-reflect on his failure to protect his own citizens. 

This man has huge cojones to talk like this, and someone should put them Chinese in their place...

Luckily, regardless of how anyone here feels about Trump, we are all at least fair-minded enough to agree that this is a good speech, saying things that badly need to be said.  

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On 9/25/2020 at 9:16 PM, rkidlad said:

The one I sent you is quotes from the CCP and the WHO. Like I said, you’re free to question any quotes by the CCP or WHO you don’t like. How about the one where they said there were no clear signs of human-to-human transmission when they knew weeks before that there absolutely were? 

English is not my first language. But I understand precisely what "preliminary investigations" means. China only confirmed with certainty that human-to-human transmission was happening after its medical workers were getting infected.

Heard of bubonic plague? It's a disease that you can get infected from infected rodents. But bubonic plague normally is not human to human transmissible. But if someone's lungs are infected with bubonic plague, it can turn into a form that can transmit from humans to humans, called pneumonic plague. Until that happens, human to human transmission is unlikely or difficult.

The same thing with bird flu. There are sporadic outbreaks of bird flu around the world. Farmers can contract it from diseased birds. But most of the time, they don't pass the infection to others.

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11 minutes ago, Selatan said:

English is not my first language. But I understand precisely what "preliminary investigations" means. China only confirmed with certainty that human-to-human transmission was happening after its medical workers were getting infected.

Heard of bubonic plague? It's a disease that you can get infected from infected rodents. But bubonic plague normally is not human to human transmissible. But if someone's lungs are infected with bubonic plague, it can turn into a form that can transmit from humans to humans, called pneumonic plague. Until that happens, human to human transmission is unlikely or difficult.

The same thing with bird flu. There are sporadic outbreaks of bird flu around the world. Farmers can contract it from diseased birds. But most of the time, they don't pass the infection to others.

So there’s no reason to be 100% open and honest. Be transparent. That way we can save lives. 
 

Do you think a regime that will lock you up or have you disappeared for criticizing them have your best interests at heart? 

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14 hours ago, Selatan said:

What beginning? Spanish sewage samples from March 2019 had traces of the virus. 

Those Spanish sewage samples that China, barely having found out about which, shouted from each roof "Ahhh, yeeahhh, you see everybody, it's originated from Spain! We've known that! From Spain! Ahhhaaa! Not from China!"

 

Why didn't people begin to fall sick in Spain or even in Europe then, in March of 2019? How come they did only in China half a year later?

What will you say about the lady from Hong Kong who confirmed that the virus originated in China?

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16 hours ago, rkidlad said:

So there’s no reason to be 100% open and honest. Be transparent. That way we can save lives. 
 

Do you think a regime that will lock you up or have you disappeared for criticizing them have your best interests at heart? 

Although China isn't exactly known for it's human rights and it's well reported that disenting scientists 'disappeared', the WHO timeline for Covid tells you there was still plenty of warning given to countries about the forthcoming pandemic. The WHO declared a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (their highest warning) on 30th January https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/27-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19, giving countries plenty of time to initiate trusted proticols in preventing the spread. The problem was this was widely ignored for many crucial weeks and even though the US declared a public health emergency on the 31st January,  Trump kept on downplaying, deflecting and blaming everyone else other than himself throughout February. He has continued to do this with a lack of federal co-ordination and the debacle over wearing masks (why is this even a thing?) . But when asked, Trump gives himself an A+ for his handling of the pandemic.

If China is to blame for not divulging things sooner (some say it appeared in early December), then Trump is equally to blame for politicising and downplaying the pandemic to the point where we see 200,000 Americans dead from the disease now. There's no question he has made things worse and his continual blaming of China for all of Americas problems is just seen as further deflection in an ill advised attempt to keep the heat off himself.      

 

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17 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Although China isn't exactly known for it's human rights and it's well reported that disenting scientists 'disappeared', the WHO timeline for Covid tells you there was still plenty of warning given to countries about the forthcoming pandemic. The WHO declared a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (their highest warning) on 30th January https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/27-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19, giving countries plenty of time to initiate trusted proticols in preventing the spread. The problem was this was widely ignored for many crucial weeks and even though the US declared a public health emergency on the 31st January,  Trump kept on downplaying, deflecting and blaming everyone else other than himself throughout February. He has continued to do this with a lack of federal co-ordination and the debacle over wearing masks (why is this even a thing?) . But when asked, Trump gives himself an A+ for his handling of the pandemic.

If China is to blame for not divulging things sooner (some say it appeared in early December), then Trump is equally to blame for politicising and downplaying the pandemic to the point where we see 200,000 Americans dead from the disease now. There's no question he has made things worse and his continual blaming of China for all of Americas problems is just seen as further deflection in an ill advised attempt to keep the heat off himself.      

 

Again, for the 10th time, my original post, and every post thereafter, hasn’t been about Trump, USA, or any other country. I don’t care how well some countries did it or didn’t do. 
 

A poster said that China did all they could to stop the virus and stop it spreading. I said that the virus began in Wuhan and China tried to cover it up. 
 

Please read the university of Southampton’s report on what could have happened had China told the truth from day one instead of trying to cover the regime’s ass.

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19 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

The whole thread is about Trump telling the UN to hold China responsible. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to refer back to the original topic when debating responsibility. We all get your stance (it’s not that difficult), I’m just elaborating on it. 

Yes, but you’re replying to my post. My post is about the culpability of China. Which is also what the thread is about. It’s exactly what all my posts have been about. It gets quite tiring having people tell me how much they hate Trump because they’ve erroneously conflated my condemnation of the CCP with an admiration for Donald.  
 

Imagine a thread about the wonders that are dogs. Now imagine someone saying they prefer cats. That doesn’t mean that person hates dogs. People often struggle with having two separate thoughts in their head at the same time. 

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11 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Yes, but you’re replying to my post. My post is about the culpability of China. Which is also what the thread is about. It’s exactly what all my posts have been about. It gets quite tiring having people tell me how much they hate Trump because they’ve erroneously conflated my condemnation of the CCP with an admiration for Donald.  
 

Imagine a thread about the wonders that are dogs. Now imagine someone saying they prefer cats. That doesn’t mean that person hates dogs. People often struggle with having two separate thoughts in their head at the same time. 

Fair enough but I really don’t think you should take it so personally. Threads flow with the thought and if all we have to do is concern ourself with your individual thoughts then nothing flows. 
Anyway. Yes, China has responsibility but Trumps deflections are too obvious and don’t mitigate his handling of the pandemic. 
See. It’s possible to cover two things at once. 

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16 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Fair enough but I really don’t think you should take it so personally. Threads flow with the thought and if all we have to do is concern ourself with your individual thoughts then nothing flows. 
Anyway. Yes, China has responsibility but Trumps deflections are too obvious and don’t mitigate his handling of the pandemic. 
See. It’s possible to cover two things at once. 

My point was it began in Wuhan and China tried to cover it up. 
 

Simples. 

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1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

My point was it began in Wuhan and China tried to cover it up. 
 

Simples. 

Now if the President of South Korea or Taiwan or the PM of Thailand, were to have given such a speech,  then it would be valid only to focus on Chinese responsibility. But instead it was Donald Trump who has used the blame china tactic to deflect the issue of his awful performance. And it's your tactic to claim that in a thread about Trump blaming China, that the fact that you focus on China alone is somehow irrelevant. It's obvious that you're carrying Trump's water.

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32 minutes ago, plentyofnuttin said:

 

Now if the President of South Korea or Taiwan or the PM of Thailand, were to have given such a speech,  then it would be valid only to focus on Chinese responsibility. But instead it was Donald Trump who has used the blame china tactic to deflect the issue of his awful performance. And it's your tactic to claim that in a thread about Trump blaming China, that the fact that you focus on China alone is somehow irrelevant. It's obvious that you're carrying Trump's water.

Of course. 
 

Someone posted that we don’t know where the virus began and China did all they could to be transparent and confine it, and by replying it began in China and the CCP tried to cover it up, I’m carrying water for Trump.

 

If Trump said 2+2 is 4, should I disagree and say it’s 5? After all, facts don’t change opinions - opinions change facts, right? 

Let’s not debate on the ideas from words that people actually said - let’s just infer and misrepresent ideas in order to fit our own narrative and unconscious biases. 

 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Credo said:

It's always easy to look for an enemy, but I think in this regard, the virus is the enemy, not China.  Any time you have a new virus there is a lot to learn.  First, is it a virus or is it something else?  Is it water borne?  Maybe it's food borne?  China responded in the way that China responds to pretty much everything.  

 

 

Sure, China is above board and transparent.  We should suckle their propaganda sacks with all haste.  They would never create a virus in a lab and allow it to escape.  It is obvious that a renegade bat flew 2,000 miles to Wuhan, bit a human, and the bat virus mutated 200 generations during the encounter. 🙄  That is one magic loogie. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

 

Sure, China is above board and transparent.  We should suckle their propaganda sacks with all haste.  They would never create a virus in a lab and allow it to escape.  It is obvious that a renegade bat flew 2,000 miles to Wuhan, bit a human, and the bat virus mutated 200 generations during the encounter. 🙄  That is one magic loogie. 

 

 

 

Nice conspiracy, but it's been debunked.   

 

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