Oldie Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 6 hours ago, Soikhaonoiken said: By keeping the borders closed, and insisting a 14 day quarantine on the forthcoming tourists (if any) will be disaster for the economy which is sinking fast at the moment.. The question is which desaster is bigger - the one without Corona or the one with Corona. Contrary to residents tourists visit many different places. They also often enjoy the entertainment industry on a daily basis. They also don't stay here long and get replaced by new tourists. I think the consequences for tourist hotspots could be severe if there is a Corona outbreak. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsT Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Dear Dr Thira Woratanarat Allow me to correct your statement " South Korea, Malaysia and Myanmar, Singapore and Australia were adding hundreds per day." I cannot speak for the other countries however, Singapore latest number as of 27th September 2020 New cases announced on September 27 15 source : channel news asia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spacex Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, connda said: This isn't a plague that is threatening the lives of a large percentage of the population. It's a bad flu that has been hyped by various governments, organizations and individuals aligned with pharmaceutical companies, media conglomerates, and other stakeholders as being something it is not. They are yelling "Fire" in the global theater. From the US Center of Disease Control (CDC): Come on folks. Learn to read and analyze on your own instead of thinking the god-honest truth is coming out of main-stream media cartels. Here - read: COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios Updated Sept. 10, 2020 https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html My only criticism of the CDC report is that there should be a clear base-line comparison to historical seasonal flus such as the 2017-2018 flu season or SARS or H1N1, because without the comparison those who can't analyse data (like the majority of people on this planet it seems) end up being convinced that all Covid deaths are unacceptable when the numbers not much different than statistics for other historical flus. It would be nice if these stats were shown in the mainstream media right next to their death counts. They could list chances of dying next to the age brackets, then compare this to the seasonal flu numbers from 2018 and other bad flu seasons. That would eliminate the scare factor though, so big pharma and big government can't have that. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketDog Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 6 hours ago, ukrules said: Look at a map, here's the list of total reported deaths per country in the region as of Sep 28, 2020 Inside the region : Myanmar 226 Laos 0 ? Thailand 59 Vietnam 35 Cambodia 0 ? Malaysia 134 Singapore 27 Bordering the region - a little too far away from the 'special area' perhaps : Bangladesh 5161 China 4739 ? Philippines 5344 Indonesia 10386 Why is there a huge continuous region on the map where hardly any people die from COVID? Clean living and good karma. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketDog Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, geriatrickid said: The issue is not surviving. It's the cost of surviving. Are you aware that the disease does have side effects in the young and healthy? And are you aware that those who are infected require 2-4-8 weeks or more to recover. Have you seen the lungs of some of the infected? This is a very important issue that is only slowly being recognized. New studies are showing multiple organ damage in a high percentage of survivors. Dr. Faucci mentioned it a few days ago as well. So a legitimate question is how often does one actually recover from infection if they have liver, heart, lung, kidney etc damage for the rest of their lives? Is their lifespan impacted? Probably. Considering this it would be better for some people to just avoid it altogether if possible. Also better to let others exercise the cautions they personally want to take without criticism. For those that feel others are not taking proper precautions then just suck it up and avoid those situations whenever you can. Edited September 28, 2020 by RocketDog 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NorthernRyland Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 34 minutes ago, connda said: My only criticism of the CDC report is that there should be a clear base-line comparison to historical seasonal flus such as the 2017-2018 flu season or SARS or H1N1, because without the comparison those who can't analyse data In the US we've have 200k deaths which at the very least "COVID" appeared on the death certificate. That's a staggering number even over 9 months but it doesn't tell the full picture of who these victims were and they relate to the any given person. The media seems to like to leave this kind of information out and simply focus on and repeat the death counts, starting from day one so the numbers always grow. If your plan was to terrorize the population this is how you would do it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NorthernRyland Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, RocketDog said: This is a very important issue that is only slowly being recognized. If COVID is causing serious organ damage that would be a crisis. Is there any reason to believe this is wide spread or is the media just fear mongering by tossing out a few examples to keep the people afraid? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 7 hours ago, farang51 said: Another media (I cannot link to that one) said in June that the number of deaths fell 8 percent in the period from October to June compared to the year before. That would be due to fewer road deaths....and the alcohol ban which reduces homicides and accidents of all types Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, genericptr said: If COVID is causing serious organ damage that would be a crisis. Is there any reason to believe this is wide spread or is the media just fear mongering by tossing out a few examples to keep the people afraid? There is abundant evidence of long term sequalie to COVID infections. We do not know yet how loing lasting but many people suffer conditions similiar to CFS after even mild case of COVID. About half of people hospitalized for COVID show brain changes on MRI months later. Severe COVID disease is a multi-organ one which affects brain, blood vessels etc. It is NOT just a respiratory disease. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ian007 Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 Expert, expert expert.... This is what a 'real' expert says: Prof Carl Heneghan, the head of the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine at Oxford University, says the current situation is "utter chaos" with a constant stream of new restrictions and schools sending whole year groups home when just one person tests positive. All this at a time when the level of infection is still very low.This, Prof Heneghan says, is the consequence of trying to suppress the virus. Instead, he argues we should accept it is here to stay and try to minimise the risks, while balancing that against the consequences of the actions we take.In particular, he's concerned the Covid test is actually so sensitive it's picking up what is effectively dead virus as it spots traces of it months after the person has stopped being infectious."We need to slow down our thinking. But every time the government sees a rise in cases it seems to panic," he said. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jack Cook Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 Just another academic chasing 5 minutes of fame. Cases do not mean deaths. The vast majority don’t know they have it or they experience a mild flu. What a crock. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sumarianson Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 The so called specialists are all playing a different drum. The CDC says that on 6% have died from COVID alone? I have grave doubts about that fifure seeing as how no outopsies were carried out and the test kit being used was not designed for testing for viruses and was specificically stated as not to be used in such cases by the inventor. Many doctors are curing the symptoms of COVID with a combination of Hydroxycloroquine, Zinc and azithromycin. There is no longer a need for masks, quarentine, lockdowns, tracking apps, travel restrictions, of mandatory vaccines that will cause more harm than good, or any of the number of crazy restrictions of our human rights. It then beggers the question " why are the governments and so called medical experts still causing so much distruction of economies and peoples lives. There are other motives behind this plandemic! You can find out what they are by watching "Plandemic Indoctrination" on BitChute or londonreal. The most watched live documentary in history!!! A lot are awake, are you? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) If the spread of the virus has been contained within Thailand (no one knows for sure).....then there must be almost zero immunity in the population. If the virus is re-introduced, without a vaccine, Thailand could find itself in the same position as the USA and the UK currently find themselves. Edited September 28, 2020 by Surelynot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 7 hours ago, ukrules said: Look at a map, here's the list of total reported deaths per country in the region as of Sep 28, 2020 Inside the region : Myanmar 226 Laos 0 ? Thailand 59 Vietnam 35 Cambodia 0 ? Malaysia 134 Singapore 27 Bordering the region - a little too far away from the 'special area' perhaps : Bangladesh 5161 China 4739 ? Philippines 5344 Indonesia 10386 Why is there a huge continuous region on the map where hardly any people die from COVID? 45 minutes ago, RocketDog said: Clean living and good karma. Lies, d*m lies, and statistics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli42 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 7 hours ago, ukrules said: Look at a map, here's the list of total reported deaths per country in the region as of Sep 28, 2020 Inside the region : Myanmar 226 Laos 0 ? Thailand 59 Vietnam 35 Cambodia 0 ? Malaysia 134 Singapore 27 Bordering the region - a little too far away from the 'special area' perhaps : Bangladesh 5161 China 4739 ? Philippines 5344 Indonesia 10386 Why is there a huge continuous region on the map where hardly any people die from COVID? I give up ... why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketDog Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 34 minutes ago, genericptr said: If COVID is causing serious organ damage that would be a crisis. Is there any reason to believe this is wide spread or is the media just fear mongering by tossing out a few examples to keep the people afraid? do a seach on 'covid organ damage'. There are dozens of scientific reports, many just coming out. I consider this the most alarming of all medical findings on the virus since the beginning of infections. To me this puts a whole new face on the problem. You can judge for yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandtee Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 7 hours ago, ukrules said: Look at a map, here's the list of total reported deaths per country in the region as of Sep 28, 2020 Inside the region : Myanmar 226 Laos 0 ? Thailand 59 Vietnam 35 Cambodia 0 ? Malaysia 134 Singapore 27 Bordering the region - a little too far away from the 'special area' perhaps : Bangladesh 5161 China 4739 ? Philippines 5344 Indonesia 10386 Why is there a huge continuous region on the map where hardly any people die from COVID? Reported being the operative word.???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon6966 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Only disaster I see is the querntine Which going to destroy tourisem But he don't understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiman123 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Where is the USA in the lists? Not even mentioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chilli42 Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 28 minutes ago, Surelynot said: If the spread of the virus has been contained within Thailand (no one knows for sure).....then there must be almost zero immunity in the population. If the virus is re-introduced, without a vaccine, Thailand could find itself in the same position as the USA and the UK currently find themselves. In principal you are correct. That said, Thailand is going to have accept more Covid deaths. Covid isn’t going away and they can’t close the country forever. The vaccine is not going to be more than 50-60% effective and many will refuse to have it. Anyway, the percent of population that actually does from this disease is vanishingly small. Also, the pre existing conditions deck is not stacked against Thailand as it is in the USA and U.K. Thailand is a very young population without the huge levels of obesity that USA and U.K. have. Some will die, you can’t live forever. Not many will die, life has to move on. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agood1963 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 10 hours ago, webfact said: "In Thailand, if we decide to follow the proposal to reduce the quarantine time to seven days, it would be an invitation to disaster," Thira warned. He his ok he don't rely on tourism to make a living , scaring people again not the most intelligent comment . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thairookie Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 9 hours ago, Meat Pie 47 said: Lets sue him for defamation ( I forgot Farangs can't do that) The test for defamation by Lord Atkin in Sim vs Stetch (HL 1936): "Would the words tend to lower the plaintiff in the estimation of right-thinking members of society generally?" The conclusion is it will not because the words do not lower the farangs in the estimation of right-thinking members of the Thai society. The farangs are already at rock bottom low. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micmichd Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 10 hours ago, GeneH said: My question is this, are they even testing people in Thailand? I've heard stories of people crossing the Myanmar border with ease and no testing/quarantine. If this is true I would say they should start testing to find out what's really happening inside the country. While I have a bias opinion due to the fact I'm currently locked out of the country from seeing my wife I can only hope there is some solid solution soon because the economic situation will only become worse the longer the country is locked down. Yes, they do it the easy way if you wear a mask in public. Which all Thais actually do. They're of course worried about the economic situation and try to make it as easy for you as possible. But with folks that permanently resist to follow WHO advices it's not so easy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Moonlover said: I've long held the view that @genericptr is correct, that the Chinese were bringing in the virus for quite some time before it was officially recognized. The notion that this cannot be true because the death rates did not rise is, I believe a bit of a red herring. The Chinese would have been sharing the virus with the younger, healthier members of the Thai society. The ones working within the tourist industry. They would have had their 'flu' or their 'cold' and then got on with their jobs with little contact with the more vulnerable members of society. Thus herd immunity was being created without anyone realizing it. It's one of the hypotheses, there are plenty of others as well. The other facet to that hypothesis is the coronavirus variant that came through Thailand was a much milder strain than the ones that made such a mess in Europe and America. IMO there would have to be mass testing of the population for antibodies to confirm the hypothesis, and that's not going to happen with the current government. Its priorities are tanks, submarines and helicopters. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatOngo Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, SomchaiCNX said: Sue for damaging Australia's image. That will teach him. I almost pity him for being such an uninformed, xenophobic idiot! Edited September 28, 2020 by PatOngo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micmichd Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 15 minutes ago, RocketDog said: do a seach on 'covid organ damage'. There are dozens of scientific reports, many just coming out. I consider this the most alarming of all medical findings on the virus since the beginning of infections. To me this puts a whole new face on the problem. You can judge for yourself. I guess it's only organic issues based on obesity, including pain in your knee caused by arthrosis. Exercising and sun helps a lot. Look at them old farts dancing in homes for the elderly in Thailand. Don't they look happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post connda Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 47 minutes ago, Jack Cook said: Just another academic chasing 5 minutes of fame. Cases do not mean deaths. The vast majority don’t know they have it or they experience a mild flu. What a crock. "Cases" don't even mean cases. They mean a positive PCR test which doesn't mean someone is even sick from Covid. It means they have genetic material in they systems similar to Sars-Cov-2. That genetic material can come from a cold or other Sars-based virus infections. There is no definitive "Covid-19" test. And the PCR is not the "Gold Standard" of Covid-19 testing. “PCR detects a very small segment of the nucleic acid which is part of a virus itself. The specific fragment detected is determined by the somewhat arbitrary choice of DNA primers used which become the ends of the amplified fragment. “ -- Dr. Kary Mullis, Inventor of Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) “You have to have a whopping amount of any organism to cause symptoms. Huge amounts of it." You don’t start with testing; you start with listening to the lungs. I’m skeptical that a PRC test is ever true. It’s a great scientific research tool. It’s a horrible tool for clinical medicine. 30% of your infected cells have been killed before you show symptoms. By the time you show symptoms…the dead cells are generating the symptoms.” -- Dr. David Rasnick, bio-chemist, protease developer, and former founder of Viral Forensics https://bpa-pathology.com/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micmichd Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Lacessit said: It's one of the hypotheses, there are plenty of others as well. The other facet to that hypothesis is the coronavirus variant that came through Thailand was a much milder strain than the ones that made such a mess in Europe and America. IMO there would have to be mass testing of the population for antibodies to confirm the hypothesis, and that's not going to happen with the current government. Its priorities are tanks, submarines and helicopters. Sure, sun and warmth is not a good breeding ground for Northern viruses. And it's bloody cold in Central Chinese winters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steevjee Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 10 hours ago, Meat Pie 47 said: This article is nonsense, show me where Australia add hundreds new cases per day. Only in Victoria the have a few dozens per day in Western Australia we had not a local transmission for months Norther Territory had none for months only a few in NSW nothing in SA or Tassie who writes this nonsense? Look again mate, Melbourne had only 5 new cases today and 0 in regional Victoria. You are right however, this bloke is meant to be a leading Medical expert and he should know better what the true numbers are rather than trying to make Australians look unsafe. Just more Xenophobia sadly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poskat Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 I think the main question is why is the tourism minster even chiming in on medical-based issues and even being taken seriously by anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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