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Georgia has been on my radar for a while and I was hoping to visit this year for a few months. I've been in Thailand for a few years and was in China for 6 years before that, so I thought Georgia would be a nice change of scenery.


I have a few friends there and after some research have found the following positives:

  • Low crime rate
  • Easy visa process (before covid - more info below)
  • Low cost of living (the average salary in the capital city Tbilisi is $200 USD)
  • Fantastic cheese, wine and bread
  • Friendly locals

Negatives:

  • Not many people speak English
  • Conservative culture/dating scene
  • Difficult to get there (even more so during the pandemic)

 

Anyhow.. With all the confusion over visa amnesty and he says/she says going on.. I've been looking at alternative places to sit and wait out the covid pandemic to dry up or get cured or whatever they have in store for us.

 

I found that Georgia has a new 'Working remotely from Georgia' program that's open to entrepreneurs, freelancers, digital nomads etc.

The requirements are:

  • Proof of income for the last few months
  • Minimum 6 month health insurance
  • 2 week quarantine at approved hotel (ranging from $30-100 per night)

 

I've applied through the link shared in the blog post here https://www.traveloffpath.com/georgia-launches-digital-nomad-visa-for-remote-workers/ and should get a reply in the next 10 days.

 

Now the problem is getting there... I had a quick look and it seems to be possible after an epic 40+ hour trip with 3 or 4 stops.

 

Anyone been to Tbilisis in Georgia or considering the move?

Architecture Delights in Tbilisi Georgia [in pictures] – Radisson Blu Blog

Tbilisi, Georgia: What to see and do in the city

What to do in Tbilisi Georgia - Crazy sexy fun traveler - travel blog about  adventure and spa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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An unusual choice but would be good to hear how it goes. If I was moving out of Asia I'd go to Kenya, maybe Mombasa or Nairobi, having said that I haven't checked the latest regarding Covid or other dangers

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13 hours ago, mfd101 said:

And always the possibility of a Russian invasion.

Lol, only if the Georgians start shelling their neighbors once again, which was what triggered the 5 day war. They got a bloody nose though, so wouldn't expect that to happen again in this generation at least.

Other than that I do think that Georgia is a viable option and my own experience of the country and the people is very positive.

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4 minutes ago, Khun Yaaai said:

Lol, only if the Georgians start shelling their neighbors once again, which was what triggered the 5 day war. They got a bloody nose though, so wouldn't expect that to happen again in this generation at least.

Other than that I do think that Georgia is a viable option and my own experience of the country and the people is very positive.

You've got it backwards.  It was instigated by Pro-Russian separatists, who were backed by Russia.  Georgia declared independence, like many other former USSR satellite states did.  And was invaded by Pro-Russian fighters, just like in other areas (Moldova, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, etc).  

Georgia lost 2 areas of their country, now ruled by Pro-Russian separatists, and supported by Moscow.  Similar to Moldova and Ukraine.

 

https://www.numbers-stations.com/articles/soviet-and-russian-invasions-since-1917/

 

 In the summer of 2008 Russia held large military drills across the Georgian border alarming Georgia. In continuation, South Osetian troops opened fire on Georgian positions provoking Tbilisi to a preemptive strike as it was also aware of the gathering of the Russian tank column near the tunnel that lead into South Osetia. In result Russia claimed that Georgian forces have attacked Russian peacekeepers in Tskhinvali, the South Osetian capital and mounted invasion to draw back the assaulting Georgian forces. In the following days Russian troops entered Abkhazia and captured Georgian city Gori while closely approaching Tbilisi, the capital of Georgia. 

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I've been to Georgia- 2 years ago. It's an amazing place with great food, great wine, and beautiful scenery. That said, the Caucasus region is a power keg. Armenia and Azerbaijan are on the verge of an all-out war, and the Georgian border with Russia and the breakaway Russian majority provinces is tense at best, and volatile. Revanchists in Russia (remember that Stalin was Georgian) want to recreate as much of the Soviet Union as they can, and Ukraine and George are in their sites- not so much the Islamic former Socialist Republics of the USSR. Still, I would go there for 2-3 months first to check it out first. 

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Yup.  Never move somewhere permanently unless you've spent several months in that location.  Dealing with setting up phone lines, buying a car, dealing with the local situation....

 

As said above, a big difference between a one week holiday and a multi year stent living there.  But in a month or so, you'll have a pretty good idea.

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1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

You've got it backwards.  It was instigated by Pro-Russian separatists, who were backed by Russia.

Not really, since I was there, but I guess your goto source of information is NYT and Washington Post so don't really blame you.

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11 minutes ago, Khun Yaaai said:

Not really, since I was there, but I guess your goto source of information is NYT and Washington Post so don't really blame you.

Nope, not the NYT and the WP.  Though both are great sources of info.  The info is on many websites.  Sad you don't want to know the truth.  I was there after the attack.  So understand it quite well.  I got my info first hand from Georgians.

 

Are you Russian?

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1 hour ago, Damual Travesty said:

I have a small two cents to put in, I have met some people from Georgia, and found them to be really nice people. That's about it. If you do go there please continue to post how it works out.

Spent few months in Moldova where a mixture of Romanian and Russian lives there, english sparsely spoken and the government system still stuck back in the communist times, hard drinking is the a national sport there and i have found the people the to be a bit "too hard" for me who rarely smile, can't really compare to Thailand and it's people...

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55 minutes ago, ezzra said:

Spent few months in Moldova where a mixture of Romanian and Russian lives there, english sparsely spoken and the government system still stuck back in the communist times, hard drinking is the a national sport there and i have found the people the to be a bit "too hard" for me who rarely smile, can't really compare to Thailand and it's people...

Did you ever go to the drive in wine cave?  Pretty amazing.  

 

Did you ever make it to Transnistria?  Another chunk of land invaded illegally by the Russians.  Very strange place to visit.  

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ive spent some time there in several parts of the country,people are friendly its not expensive,food is different from here but it has many possibilities,english is spoken,the countryside is stunning the caucasas mts above them,old part of tbilisi is very attractive.its worth checking out,they wish to join EU the russian threats not there and its stable,i know several people whove been there long term.its a small place,if u like hiking its great.you can get there easily from here thru the gulf, emirates gulf air and qatar but theyre expensive.presently theyve done a good job with covid  but you cant get in,its somewhat difficult due to measures.that will change.give it a shot.i wished to return a few mnths back but half wit control wont allow me back in and id a been well and truly stranded

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No, not in the milions years.

 

there will be war in Yermenia and Azerbejan, probably proxy war of russia, 

and Georgia will always be victim of it. 

 

Plus highly racist, highly cold, and underdeveloped. 

 

thailand has state of the art medical equipment, they have here even cyber knife, do they have it in georgia? i dont think so

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lovely country, beautiful Architecture,
and delicious food, great wines,
lovely charming women as well,
that can be touched after getting married 😉

Great people,
I worked for many years with a certain Georgian contractor.
hand-shake agreements only.
Nevertheless,  he stood by his word and his price,
even when a job he took went into loss, he finished it within spec.
Respect.

 

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I worked on a land rig there for a couple of weeks a few years ago. In fact I arrived the day after the big flood that washed all the wild animals out of the zoo into the town centre of Tbilisi. Apart from lions and tigers walking along the main streets it was fine. Old Tbilisi is very nice with several great pubs where you can drink the local wine very cheaply. Never gave it any thought about retiring there but I guess it could pan out fine. The Azerbaijan/Armenia turf war is an issue but it never really looks like escalating into a full blown barney. I travelled form Baku for no other reason than I was there already, but I'm sure there's connecting flights from Istanbul. Didn't see a lot of available young ladies around though, if that's a decision clincher.

 

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17 hours ago, Bangkok Basha said:

I've been to Georgia- 2 years ago. It's an amazing place with great food, great wine, and beautiful scenery. That said, the Caucasus region is a power keg. Armenia and Azerbaijan are on the verge of an all-out war, and the Georgian border with Russia and the breakaway Russian majority provinces is tense at best, and volatile. Revanchists in Russia (remember that Stalin was Georgian) want to recreate as much of the Soviet Union as they can, and Ukraine and George are in their sites- not so much the Islamic former Socialist Republics of the USSR. Still, I would go there for 2-3 months first to check it out first. 

 

The Caucasus?

 

No wonder I couldn't find it on my map of "Eastern Europe"!

 

Remember that Georgia (along with other Caucasian and Central Asian States) was grabbed by Imperial Russia, long before the Soviet Union was even thought of.

 

The Soviet Union merely inherited the Empire.

 

The New Russian Imperialists want to re-create the Russian Empire at the biggest it ever was, whenever it was, and regardless of the flavour of tyranny that acquired it in the first place.

 

The New Russian Imperialists are a "mash up" of all of them.

 

They are their own special, multi derived, brand of evil.

 

 

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