Biden campaign tees up Trump tax issue on eve of first debate

[rebekkahr]

4 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

It seems Biden has plenty of hidden things too; many of which are being exposed.

 

Given Trump's propensity for attack, attack and attack, these debates will likely be exchanges of allegations and bitter comment. Low class politics.

 

Such as. Republican Senator and ardent right wing supporter of Donald Trump released his report about the Bidens and the Ukraine. Absolutely zero evidence was offered that might incriminate Joe Biden.

And if you want to see Biden's tax info, it's posted on the internet.

So what exactly are you referring to?

 

[Baerboxer]

15 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

What a crock of S**t.  Biden son gets $3.5 million from a Russian mayor but somehow the issue is how much Trump paid in taxes.  Let me clue you in.  NO ONE ESCAPES PAYING LEGITIMATE TAXES IN THE USA.  If Trump enterprises lost money in prior years, it is legitimately allowed to deduct from any earnings the amount of the losses until such time as it makes a net profit.  Additionally if the Trump organization is structured as a C corporation, Trump would have income exclusively from any money the corporation paid to him as wages.  The corporation not Donald Trump would pay any income taxes.  So without knowing the entire story it is just trying to create the illusion that Donald Trump somehow did not pay taxes.  They did the same thing with Romney and saying he did not pay any income taxes.  Not true.  The IRS if Trump owed taxes would be all over him like a rabid dog. 

Looks like the same old Democratic Smear tactic.  Claim something causing your opponent to try to defend it and have the media broadcast it to give it legs. 

https://www.rollcall.com/2012/08/02/harry-reid-again-accuses-mitt-romney-of-failing-to-pay-taxes/



 

 

The Russian female oligarch who wired $3.5 million to Hunter Biden was married to a former Moscow Mayor. She obviously is well connected with the current Russian regime.

Yet, as with Burisma in the Ukraine, most of the media aren't interested.

 

I saw a report that said Biden lied when he denied discussing business with his son and that state department officials had raised the conflict of interest issues with him.  Again, seems most media aren't interested as it gets quietly swept under the carpet.

 

But, as you post, all repeat the allegations against Trump, as proven facts. Makes the US IRS look like incompetent fools, which I don't think is the reality. Far from it.

[rebekkahr]

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

The Russian female oligarch who wired $3.5 million to Hunter Biden was married to a former Moscow Mayor. She obviously is well connected with the current Russian regime.

Yet, as with Burisma in the Ukraine, most of the media aren't interested.

 

I saw a report that said Biden lied when he denied discussing business with his son and that state department officials had raised the conflict of interest issues with him.  Again, seems most media aren't interested as it gets quietly swept under the carpet.

 

But, as you post, all repeat the allegations against Trump, as proven facts. Makes the US IRS look like incompetent fools, which I don't think is the reality. Far from it.

Once again, Senator Ron Johnson tried mightily to come up with any evidence against Joe Biden concerning the Ukraine. Complete fail.

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, rebekkahr said:

Such as. Republican Senator and ardent right wing supporter of Donald Trump released his report about the Bidens and the Ukraine. Absolutely zero evidence was offered that might incriminate Joe Biden.

And if you want to see Biden's tax info, it's posted on the internet.

So what exactly are you referring to?

 

 

Did Hunter Biden receive $3.5 million from a Russian oligarch? For what exactly? 

 

Was Joe Biden well aware of Hunter's Ukraine business interests, at a time he was responsible for American policy in the Ukraine? If so, did he lie about not knowing it? Do State Department released documents exist that show Biden snr was briefed about concerns of conflicts of interest? Did Obama know?

 

Or is it all fake news?

[Baerboxer]

4 minutes ago, rebekkahr said:

Once again, Senator Ron Johnson tried mightily to come up with any evidence against Joe Biden concerning the Ukraine. Complete fail.

 

So are you sayings, categorically, that no state department official ever spoke to Joe Biden about a conflict of interest arising from Hunter Biden's Ukraine activities whilst his father was VPOTUS and responsible for American policy for Ukraine.

 

Do you think the $3.5 million wired to the son of the VPOTUS by a Russian oligarch with close connections to the Russian ruling elite is not interesting? Especially as Trump was constantly accused of Russian collusion?

 

Just to be clear.

Edited September 29, 2020 by Baerboxer

[rebekkahr]

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Did Hunter Biden receive $3.5 million from a Russian oligarch? For what exactly? 

 

Was Joe Biden well aware of Hunter's Ukraine business interests, at a time he was responsible for American policy in the Ukraine? If so, did he lie about not knowing it? Do State Department released documents exist that show Biden snr was briefed about concerns of conflicts of interest? Did Obama know?

 

Or is it all fake news?

You seem impervious to the fact that the Senate Report, despite every political motivation do to so, came up empty. And those questions were addressed in that inquiry. Everyone involved said that Biden did nothing to thwart an investigation and scrupulously carried out US policy. 

[rebekkahr]

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

So are you sayings, categorically, that no state department official ever spoke to Joe Biden about a conflict of interest arising from Hunter Biden's Ukraine activities whilst his father was VPOTUS and responsible for American policy for Ukraine.

 

Just to be clear.

But if you're so concerned about the behavior of relatives why not focus a bit of your attention on the fact that Jared Kushner's family got bailed out of a terrible investment by means of a sweetheart deal financed by the Qatari government. Unlike Hunter Biden, Jared is an official member of the US government.

[candide]

4 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

LOL.  How do you pay $1.5M and $3.7M in federal taxes as a public servant?  Cue the critics.

No secret! It's been published in his tax returns.

Alternatively, you can read a summary on Fox News website

"The spike in wealth was largely attributed to sales of his 2017 book"

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/joe-biden-tax-returns-2020-election

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Boon Mee said:

What's Joe going to do w/out his teleprompter at the debate? 

Poor Joe! LOL ???? 

Of course we know what Trump will do; ramble incoherently about whatever random thoughts enter his head.

[heybruce]

51 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

What a crock of S**t.  Biden son gets $3.5 million from a Russian mayor but somehow the issue is how much Trump paid in taxes.  Let me clue you in.  NO ONE ESCAPES PAYING LEGITIMATE TAXES IN THE USA.  If Trump enterprises lost money in prior years, it is legitimately allowed to deduct from any earnings the amount of the losses until such time as it makes a net profit.  Additionally if the Trump organization is structured as a C corporation, Trump would have income exclusively from any money the corporation paid to him as wages.  The corporation not Donald Trump would pay any income taxes.  So without knowing the entire story it is just trying to create the illusion that Donald Trump somehow did not pay taxes.  They did the same thing with Romney and saying he did not pay any income taxes.  Not true.  The IRS if Trump owed taxes would be all over him like a rabid dog. 

Looks like the same old Democratic Smear tactic.  Claim something causing your opponent to try to defend it and have the media broadcast it to give it legs. 

https://www.rollcall.com/2012/08/02/harry-reid-again-accuses-mitt-romney-of-failing-to-pay-taxes/
 

Biden's son is an embarrassment, but an investigation by the Republican Senate didn't find anything illegal.

 

Off-topic, but to my knowledge Mitt Romney never did show his tax returns for the ten years in question.  Maybe he was embarrassed by what they would show.

[Sujo]

54 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

So are you sayings, categorically, that no state department official ever spoke to Joe Biden about a conflict of interest arising from Hunter Biden's Ukraine activities whilst his father was VPOTUS and responsible for American policy for Ukraine.

 

Do you think the $3.5 million wired to the son of the VPOTUS by a Russian oligarch with close connections to the Russian ruling elite is not interesting? Especially as Trump was constantly accused of Russian collusion?

 

Just to be clear.

All investigated by repubs and nothing found. Perhaps contact them to say you disagree.

[candide]

50 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Did Hunter Biden receive $3.5 million from a Russian oligarch? For what exactly? 

 

Was Joe Biden well aware of Hunter's Ukraine business interests, at a time he was responsible for American policy in the Ukraine? If so, did he lie about not knowing it? Do State Department released documents exist that show Biden snr was briefed about concerns of conflicts of interest? Did Obama know?

 

Or is it all fake news?

As mentioned before by other posters, all the available information has been published in Johnson's report and widely commented in media. Interestingly enough, it's the Dems who are calling for more transparency and more information to be released...

"Democrats raised concerns that Johnson would not honor a recent committee vote to release all of the witness interview transcripts alongside the report, except for in cases where classified information might be revealed. Johnson’s staff did not immediately release full transcripts on Wednesday, only quoting from witness testirmony in the report, often without full context."

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/23/gop-senators-anti-biden-report-420362

 

Hunter is not protected by any immunity and can be investigated as any citizen. In case there would be enough evidence to properly predicate an investigation, Barr could have easily started one.

[Sujo]

In addition, that senate report did find some dodgy dealings, from trumps man rick gates.

[PattayaJames]

9 hours ago, Somtamnication said:

Biden is not the great orator that Obama is, but I hope he goes for the jugular with Trump and tears into him.

 

8 hours ago, PatOngo said:

Go for the jugular vein Joe, show no mercy on the lying, cheating buffoon! Make America Something Again!

Best thing Joe could do is not turn up, still likely IMO.

Making it through to the end without completely falling apart is the best that can be hoped for. Dems and Media would call that a win.

Putting Trump on the ropes, pure fantasy. 

Trump needs to not hold back, Joe will not be able to keep up, will be sad to see but blame his handlers for putting him in that position.

 

 

Edited September 29, 2020 by PattayaJames

[PatOngo]

4 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Best thing Joe could do is not turn up, still likely IMO.

Making it through to the end without completely falling apart is the best that can be hoped for. Dems and Media would call that a win.

Putting Trump on the ropes, pure fantasy. 

Trump needs to not hold back, Joe will not be able to keep up, will be sad to see but blame his handlers for putting him in that position.

 

 

What will be more interesting is the mentality of the American voting public. The big guy certainly has NOT made America great again! He's made it the BS capital of the world! 

[Morch]

9 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

How coincidental that the illegal leak of Trump's tax information is released just days before the 1st presidential debate.  Almost as if they had nothing going into the debate and sorely needed something . . . anything.

 

Another "we got him now" moment for the left to seize on and pin their slivers of hope.

 

Did you have that many issue when Comey torpedoed the Clinton campaign? Same issues when Trump was all for Russia hacking his opponents?

 

The only "another" here is another one of your posts which got nothing and allege conspiracy instead.

[Morch]

5 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

But I am interested in truth.  The truth is there's no illegality proven at this time.  I'm not interested in turning speculation into truth.

 

You are not interested in Truth. Not in the sense of an objective one, anyway. Truths that you do not like or do not match your politics are ignored or swept under the carpet. Before the huffing and puffing - let us recall your often stated claims regarding having criticism of Trump, but refusing to share it for covfefe reasons. Not exactly an advertisement for truth or for that matter, honest discussion.

[Morch]

5 hours ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

This concept  is lost on the masses, who have a very low level understanding of basic tax or business knowledge.  Imagine trying to explain this concept to a rioting mob, it would be futile.  Makes for good headlines to stir up the minimum wage crowd.   LOL  ????

 

You mean something like 'lock her up'? Or maybe 'Mexico will pay for the Wall'? 'Law and order'?

[spidermike007]

Biden needs to be an attack dog, like Trump, from the start of this debate. He needs to show no respect for the office of president, and fire one effective missile after another. The tax issue only gives him more ammunition. Shows what a business failure Trump really is. 

 

And it might be effective to refer to him as Little Don. Those kinds of things really get under his paper thin skin. Make him lose his way. Make him stumble. Let's go Joe! 

[Susco]

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And his campaign is broke too, cancelling TV ads in swing states in run up to the election.

 

Maybe the money for those ads went missing.

[johnnybangkok]

5 hours ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

This concept  is lost on the masses, who have a very low level understanding of basic tax or business knowledge.  Imagine trying to explain this concept to a rioting mob, it would be futile.  Makes for good headlines to stir up the minimum wage crowd.   LOL  ????

You are always very quick to denigrate the 'masses' with your self-imposed superiority whilst failing to understand most of the posters on here (myself included) absolutely understand 'basic tax or business knowledge'. 

Trumps tax liabilities can of course be offset with losses (just proving what we all know which is he can't run a profitable business) but his personal income is still subject to federal income tax so paying only $750 in 2017 and 2018 means his personal wealth is no where near what he claims OR there is tax avoidance/fraud to a massive scale. There is a dispute over a house he has claimed as business (when it's a family home) and paying his daughter 'consultancy fees' whilst also employing her. There's also things like the ridiculous $70,000 ($5,833 per month $1,346 per week) for hairdressing as well as many, many other matters that are highly questionable.

The revelations may show no illegal activities but if there is none then it just shows he is nowhere near the success he makes out to be and if your whole brand is built on being the great businessman who can save the USA, this could be more damaging than any nefarious activities.      

[PattayaJames]

5 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Biden needs to be an attack dog, like Trump, from the start of this debate. He needs to show no respect for the office of president, and fire one effective missile after another. The tax issue only gives him more ammunition. Shows what a business failure Trump really is. 

 

And it might be effective to refer to him as Little Don. Those kinds of things really get under his paper thin skin. Make him lose his way. Make him stumble. Let's go Joe! 

Probably yes this is what he needs to do.

Somehow think the reality will not be quite like that.

[Lacessit]

15 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

What will be more interesting is the mentality of the American voting public. The big guy certainly has NOT made America great again! He's made it the BS capital of the world! 

More importantly, he has made it the coronavirus capital of the world. During which, he espoused remedies with no scientific basis whatsoever.

Would be interesting to know how many more infections were generated by the brain-dead who attended the Tulsa rally, although probably buried in the statistical data mass.

The fact that rally was disrupted by the young must be disturbing to the Trump organisers.

[candide]

46 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You are always very quick to denigrate the 'masses' with your self-imposed superiority whilst failing to understand most of the posters on here (myself included) absolutely understand 'basic tax or business knowledge'. 

Trumps tax liabilities can of course be offset with losses (just proving what we all know which is he can't run a profitable business) but his personal income is still subject to federal income tax so paying only $750 in 2017 and 2018 means his personal wealth is no where near what he claims OR there is tax avoidance/fraud to a massive scale. There is a dispute over a house he has claimed as business (when it's a family home) and paying his daughter 'consultancy fees' whilst also employing her. There's also things like the ridiculous $70,000 ($5,833 per month $1,346 per week) for hairdressing as well as many, many other matters that are highly questionable.

The revelations may show no illegal activities but if there is none then it just shows he is nowhere near the success he makes out to be and if your whole brand is built on being the great businessman who can save the USA, this could be more damaging than any nefarious activities.      

Moreover, by looking at his haircut, it is obvious that his hairdresser is crook! ????

[Mick501]

10 hours ago, Tug said:

Get her done joe!!there is so much wrong with the orange parasite ripe pickings lol get after it lol!!

First post wasted yet again.  Hilarious how some people spend every second of their day waiting with bated breath to spew vitriol. Oops, my mistake... For a minute I'd forgotten that was Dems policy.  Keep chasing those precious "likes"!

[alex8912]

7 hours ago, J Town said:

His supporters are not at all interested in truth. I've seen multiple interviews of supporters and they've said exactly that - it doesn't matter what he says or does, they're behind him. The vast majority I've seen are old, white, and sporting confederate flags.

Where do you “see” them? CNN ? If I was Joe I would never mention the name “New York Times” at all. It’s not exactly respected with a huge amount of Americans. I mean really aren’t there many other things from before THIS week that Joe can go back and refer to off the top of his head? Oh wait a minute, his memory might not be that good so maybe that’s why. I still can’t believe after 4 years we are left with Joe who will be 82 years old after one term as POTUS. 

[J Town]

6 minutes ago, alex8912 said:

Where do you “see” them? CNN ? If I was Joe I would never mention the name “New York Times” at all. It’s not exactly respected with a huge amount of Americans. I mean really aren’t there many other things from before THIS week that Joe can go back and refer to off the top of his head? Oh wait a minute, his memory might not be that good so maybe that’s why. I still can’t believe after 4 years we are left with Joe who will be 82 years old after one term as POTUS. 

You only see things through "Fox" glasses. How many Pulitzers has The New York Times won?  How many Emmys have MSNBC/CNN won? Compare that to how many of the same has Fox won (Hint: Fox has NEVER won a Pulitzer nor an Emmy).

Edited September 29, 2020 by J Town

[alex8912]

1 minute ago, J Town said:

You only see things through "Fox" glasses. How many Pulitzers and Emmys has The New York Times won? Compare that to how many of the same has Fox won (Hint: Fox has NEVER won a Pulitzer nor an Emmy).

I don’t watch FOX. But the New York Times, Washington Post and Boston Globe have many issues. Hard to debate that????

[J Town]

1 minute ago, alex8912 said:

I don’t watch FOX. But the New York Times, Washington Post and Boston Globe have many issues. Hard to debate that????

I normally don't use the Red Herring argument but they ALL have issues. When it comes to facts, I have never seen anyone on this forum show New York Times to be false. Are they against 45? Of COURSE they are, but that's the nature of newspapers, has been ever since the printing press was invented. No debate of what a despicable man 45 is, particularly after the Bob Woodward interviews came out. You can't make that up, 45 admitted he lied. It's been recorded, and even 45 can't lie his way out of his own idiocy.

[Silurian]

Steady increase in the betting odds for the past month. Currently sitting at 10.8+ for Biden.

 

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