bodga Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 anyone know if its available in Thailand? Want to build a kitchen in a condo, block sides and concrete top but dont want to have to lug bags of sand cement and stone up in a lift, size about 6 foot long on the main length 4 foot along the other side L shaped in the corner of a room........hoping the floor will take that kind of weight ( it is in a corner so the strongest point) or maybe use aac blocks, ether way BAGGED pre mixed concrete ie just add water? This will be for the top onto which Ill put some granite etc like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVENKEEL Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 I haven't seen the redi-mix. I buy bags of sand, rock and cement. Basically the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matzzon Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 I think you will find that in Global. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2long Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 I have bought large sacks of ready-mix for just 80B. The sack is probably 40kg. I got it here.. https://goo.gl/maps/3dYucRXxFMwgNjh99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAS21 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Thai Watsadu have large bags of sand-cement dry mix. Don’t remember the cost though... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 41 minutes ago, JAS21 said: Thai Watsadu have large bags of sand-cement dry mix. Don’t remember the cost though... yeah still have to add stone, but ill go have a look, I know they do ready mix mortar now, i also know its very soft when dry, need probably 10 bags to do the counter top and a bit of steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, 2long said: I have bought large sacks of ready-mix for just 80B. The sack is probably 40kg. I got it here.. https://goo.gl/maps/3dYucRXxFMwgNjh99 Thanks does that include the stone mixed in with it? Edited September 29, 2020 by bodga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said: I haven't seen the redi-mix. I buy bags of sand, rock and cement. Basically the same. dont want to lug it up and mix it in a condo. Dont mind lugging up bags premixed then adding water and mixing in the room but dont want the stuff everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) anyone any thoughts on the weight of concrete ie cinder blocks on the floor, not sure what loads they can take here, as mentioned its in the corner so weight is not in the middle of any span. Guess it will be about 30 blocks total (4 high) + concrete and granite on top. Edited September 29, 2020 by bodga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, bodga said: anyone any thoughts on the weight of concrete ie cinder blocks on the floor, not sure what loads they can take here, The apartment where I live I believe they used precast prestressed reinforced concrete planks for the floors..I've had a 18x18x36 inch fish tank ( 190 litres = 190 KG) sitting on it for years with no (obvious) problems so pretty sure your counter top which is also tied into the wall (should tied into the wall) will be fine. However I take no responsibility for what may happen if your condo is made of cardboard,sawdust and plastic bags as was shockingly revealed some time ago in the news and here on the forum somewhere ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 34 minutes ago, johng said: cardboard,sawdust and plastic bags <deleted> i was gonna use the same technique and pass it off as "luxury" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVENKEEL Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 2 hours ago, bodga said: dont want to lug it up and mix it in a condo. Dont mind lugging up bags premixed then adding water and mixing in the room but dont want the stuff everywhere. It's the same either you lug up sacks of cement, rock and sand or you lug up the redi-mix, same same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvs Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 2 hours ago, bodga said: anyone any thoughts on the weight of concrete ie cinder blocks on the floor, not sure what loads they can take here, as mentioned its in the corner so weight is not in the middle of any span. Guess it will be about 30 blocks total (4 high) + concrete and granite on top. Probably 750 kg in all? That is how many people?Lets say ten,nothing to worry about. imagine having ten people in the middle of the room,your floor should not cave in. You should tie it into the wall as well to make sure it does not create cracks later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThaidDown Posted September 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2020 For a different approach, QCon do ready made panels to construct units for kitchens and bathrooms. Just order then 'stick' them together, less mess and less time. Also, probably, less weight if that is worrying you. https://qcon.co.th/products/qcon-counter 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 16 minutes ago, ThaidDown said: For a different approach, QCon do ready made panels to construct units for kitchens and bathrooms. Just order then 'stick' them together, less mess and less time. Also, probably, less weight if that is worrying you. https://qcon.co.th/products/qcon-counter This is probably a better way to deal with this. Particularly in a Condo. We recently had kitchen built (extension). The contractors were trying to build the same type of concrete structure. They got as far as laying the countertop before we realised it was going to be somewhat of an eye-saw. We ended up getting them to knock down the counter and finish off the main structure. We then got IKEA to fit a kitchen who did an exceptional job. Thus: Another option is to get a company (Index, IKEA, Boonthaworn etc) to install a fitted kitchen rather than have a concrete kitchen built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 44 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Thus: Another option is to get a company (Index, IKEA, Boonthaworn etc) to install a fitted kitchen rather than have a concrete kitchen built. Yes another option but very much more expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 16 hours ago, EVENKEEL said: It's the same either you lug up sacks of cement, rock and sand or you lug up the redi-mix, same same. its easier and doesnt require mixing in the ready mix bags, the ready mix bags are usually paper and flat easier to carry whereas the sand stone arent and cement bags also tend to be 50kg whereas the premix mortar ive seen are less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 16 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: This is probably a better way to deal with this. Particularly in a Condo. We recently had kitchen built (extension). The contractors were trying to build the same type of concrete structure. They got as far as laying the countertop before we realised it was going to be somewhat of an eye-saw. We ended up getting them to knock down the counter and finish off the main structure. We then got IKEA to fit a kitchen who did an exceptional job. Thus: Another option is to get a company (Index, IKEA, Boonthaworn etc) to install a fitted kitchen rather than have a concrete kitchen built. This is for tenants they tend to NOT be careful , they always get worktops sopping wet, any wood cabinets especially that <deleted> chipboard just collapse, one water leak and they are toast, concrete, tiles and block with granite top is virtually indestructible, also the doors are already in a premade frame and I can remove them and replace very easily with my design if they do get damaged. I can also later change the design to have a different look as things age. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, ThaidDown said: For a different approach, QCon do ready made panels to construct units for kitchens and bathrooms. Just order then 'stick' them together, less mess and less time. Also, probably, less weight if that is worrying you. https://qcon.co.th/products/qcon-counter q con was on my list to use but this is a great idea Thanks am going to use it makes it so much easier especially in a condo Edited September 29, 2020 by bodga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trucking Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Our counters have no stone in the mix. Used a rebar frame and poured the cement over and around it. If a granite worktop is going on top I wouldn't worry about stone in the mix. Up to you. You can also buy ready mixed cement in small 1 or 2 kilo bags but more difficult to find. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometime Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I built a unit light weight blocks fixed with no nails adhsive & the top I used cement board 2 layers of 1' thick. And then finaly tiled 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometimewoodworker Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 4 hours ago, trucking said: Our counters have no stone in the mix. Used a rebar frame and poured the cement over and around it. If a granite worktop is going on top I wouldn't worry about stone in the mix. Up to you. You can also buy ready mixed cement in small 1 or 2 kilo bags but more difficult to find. You didn’t use cement, as that is only 1 part of the mix. you used a cement, water, sand mortar concrete is a cement, water, sand, rock mix. so the mixed bags are either mortar or concrete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometime Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 3 hours ago, sometime said: I built a unit light weight blocks fixed with no nails adhsive & the top I used cement board 2 layers of 1' thick. And then finaly tiled Forgot to add, no sand cement used been built about 5 years 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, sometime said: Forgot to add, no sand cement used been built about 5 years did you use the water based no more nails or the much stronger solvent based no more nails? Edited September 30, 2020 by bodga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometime Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 3 hours ago, bodga said: did you use the water based no more nails or the much stronger solvent based no more nails? Solvent based 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubuzz Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 13 hours ago, sometime said: I built a unit light weight blocks fixed with no nails adhsive & the top I used cement board 2 layers of 1' thick. And then finaly tiled Did you build the unit before the floor was tiled, or are the blocks sitting on top of the floor tiles? Also, where did you get the 1' cement board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 11 hours ago, sometime said: Solvent based did you render the blocks or tile direct onto the block? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometime Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 2 hours ago, bodga said: did you render the blocks or tile direct onto the block? As far as I can remember just a coat of sealer before the tiles & I used tile adhesive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 10/1/2020 at 7:41 AM, sometime said: As far as I can remember just a coat of sealer before the tiles & I used tile adhesive great thanks save even more time if i get everything reasonably level, ill use some pva but the top ill use granite etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted October 19, 2020 Author Share Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) I went with the aac blocks, although the top pieces weigh 40kilo and are a bit tricky to lift by yourself (1.5m) so I did the sides one day le t the glue dry and the tops the next to avoid knocking and disturbing the sides. What they dont tell you is you can use floor pieces as side pieces if you want to increase the height from their set height of 750mm to 830mm and that you dont have to use their floor pieces at all on the floor if your floor is already reasonably ok, also if you dont have a circular saw they are easily cut with a 7 inch grinder with just a metal wheel which cuts easily thru the aac and steel, Im going to tile straight onto the blocks as Ive got them perfectly level and square and Ill pva them first for a good adhesion Edited October 19, 2020 by bodga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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