Leaver Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 10/1/2020 at 2:13 PM, thaibeachlovers said: Covid did not turn Walking Street into a ghost town. The government did with lockdowns etc. Same everywhere. In 1918 to my knowledge more people died and they didn't "lockdown" whole countries. As I have said before, there are many posts blaming the Thai government's extended closing of boarders for the decimation of Thailand's tourism industry. There will be a point in time when I will agree, but at the moment, even if the boarders opened tomorrow, does that put planes in the air? Does that put money in the pockets of tourists to afford a holiday? Does it ensure they can get back home in time to go back to work? There are many reasons why tourists will not be holidaying in Thailand in the foreseeable future, even after Thailand opens its boarders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliss Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 5 hours ago, fuzzie said: It's not the same everywhere in Thailand, Really . Please tell us more.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer6969 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 10/1/2020 at 2:13 PM, thaibeachlovers said: In 1918 to my knowledge more people died and they didn't "lockdown" whole countries. Indeed, but we've gotten a lot better since, haven't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VBF Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Leaver said: As I have said before, there are many posts blaming the Thai government's extended closing of boarders for the decimation of Thailand's tourism industry. There will be a point in time when I will agree, but at the moment, even if the boarders opened tomorrow, does that put planes in the air? Does that put money in the pockets of tourists to afford a holiday? Does it ensure they can get back home in time to go back to work? There are many reasons why tourists will not be holidaying in Thailand in the foreseeable future, even after Thailand opens its boarders. Take your points BUT..... Airlines will get back to flying as soon as countries let them in. As an example, Emirates have slowly begun flying to many of the destinations that were closed in March https://simpleflying.com/emirates-a380-reawakening/ They and some of the other well-funded and organised airlines could probably switch Thailand back on when allowed as they have the capacity. Your other points don't apply to MANY people who usually travel to Thailand and are self-employed and have carried on working, or are retired and haven't suffered financially. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, VBF said: Airlines will get back to flying as soon as countries let them in. There is going to be a global pilot shortage. All the planes on the ground will not be able to have the pilots that flew them some 12 months ago, be able to jump in the cockpit and start flying them again, post Covid. Most international pilots around the world are lacking flight hours on their license, Edited October 2, 2020 by Leaver 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onebir Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 24 minutes ago, Leaver said: There is going to be a global pilot shortage. Most international pilots around the world are lacking flight hours on their license, Can they substitute hours in a simulator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jacko45k Posted October 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2020 On 10/1/2020 at 2:13 PM, thaibeachlovers said: Covid did not turn Walking Street into a ghost town. The government did with lockdowns etc. Same everywhere. In 1918 to my knowledge more people died and they didn't "lockdown" whole countries. Your knowledge of what happened over a century ago is quite limited. The first scheduled international passenger flight did not occur until 1919. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggo Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 On 10/1/2020 at 2:13 PM, thaibeachlovers said: Covid did not turn Walking Street into a ghost town. The government did with lockdowns etc. Same everywhere. In 1918 to my knowledge more people died and they didn't "lockdown" whole countries. To busy trying to invade others in that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VBF Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 15 hours ago, Leaver said: There is going to be a global pilot shortage. All the planes on the ground will not be able to have the pilots that flew them some 12 months ago, be able to jump in the cockpit and start flying them again, post Covid. Most international pilots around the world are lacking flight hours on their license, You can be sure that airlines are planning for that - possibly even putting pilots on otherwise empty aircraft just to get their hours logged. But yes, it will be a gradual increase as will the numbers of passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 15 hours ago, onebir said: Can they substitute hours in a simulator? I believe they can, but there are more planes than simulators, and they will have to be employed again, as simulators are expensive. International sized planes will not be taking to the sky straight away, just because boarders have opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 hour ago, VBF said: You can be sure that airlines are planning for that - possibly even putting pilots on otherwise empty aircraft just to get their hours logged. But yes, it will be a gradual increase as will the numbers of passengers. Airlines are going broke all around the world. They have laid off their pilots and cabin crew, and many other staff. Do you think they are going to pay a pilots a salary, for flight hours in and empty plane, just so pilots can keep their accreditation for when Covid finishes? It's not happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VBF Posted October 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2020 5 hours ago, Leaver said: Airlines are going broke all around the world. They have laid off their pilots and cabin crew, and many other staff. Do you think they are going to pay a pilots a salary, for flight hours in and empty plane, just so pilots can keep their accreditation for when Covid finishes? It's not happening. As I said airlines are planning for that and apparently it will involve a lot of simulator time https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/how-do-pilots-stay-current-in-a-pandemic/ https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-26/pilots-grounded-by-coronavirus-pandemic-want-pilotkeeper-program/12487308 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52441652 I also said "it will be a gradual increase as will the numbers of passengers." Remember that if you're a senior at anything, you don't forget it just because you're forced to take time off. Reading the links above, accreditation on simulators will be happening. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Never underestimate Thai incompetence.....come look at Pattaya beach after our hard rain 2 nights ago....absolutely a disgrace , after this city spent billions on storm drainage.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VBF Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 16 hours ago, VBF said: As I said airlines are planning for that and apparently it will involve a lot of simulator time https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/how-do-pilots-stay-current-in-a-pandemic/ https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-26/pilots-grounded-by-coronavirus-pandemic-want-pilotkeeper-program/12487308 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52441652 I also said "it will be a gradual increase as will the numbers of passengers." Remember that if you're a senior at anything, you don't forget it just because you're forced to take time off. Reading the links above, accreditation on simulators will be happening. With apologies for replying to myself (!) but here's another example https://simpleflying.com/qatar-airways-124-destinations/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=daily&utm_campaign=03102020 Seems to me that the Middle East airlines are quietly getting back on track...what this will do is sort the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. 2 ways of looking at that...it'll get rid of the underperforming, badly managed airlines (anyone know one like that in Thailand?) but it will also reduce competition from the poorer ones. Time will tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3NUMBAS Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 and thats the way it will say ,the partys over for good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said: and thats the way it will say ,the partys over for good I do not believe that myself.... it is a sleeping tiger! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 23 hours ago, VBF said: As I said airlines are planning for that and apparently it will involve a lot of simulator time https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/how-do-pilots-stay-current-in-a-pandemic/ https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-26/pilots-grounded-by-coronavirus-pandemic-want-pilotkeeper-program/12487308 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52441652 I also said "it will be a gradual increase as will the numbers of passengers." Remember that if you're a senior at anything, you don't forget it just because you're forced to take time off. Reading the links above, accreditation on simulators will be happening. I agree with you. Airlines are aware of the situation. The question is, just how many pilots can reaccredit their license in a simulator when international boarders open up. I am sure there will be a pilot shortage for several months after Covid. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VBF Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Leaver said: I agree with you. Airlines are aware of the situation. The question is, just how many pilots can reaccredit their license in a simulator when international boarders open up. I am sure there will be a pilot shortage for several months after Covid. Indeed, but once again referring to the gradual increase in passengers, i think it likely that the shortage in passengers will in some way, alleviate the shortage in pilots. Take a look at my #104 and the link I posted to Qatar. That's how the clever / rich carriers will do it, IMO. As for the others...I don't know. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 On 10/4/2020 at 11:34 PM, VBF said: Indeed, but once again referring to the gradual increase in passengers, i think it likely that the shortage in passengers will in some way, alleviate the shortage in pilots. Take a look at my #104 and the link I posted to Qatar. That's how the clever / rich carriers will do it, IMO. As for the others...I don't know. Which is my point. Many members, including business owners, believe as soon as Thailand opens their boarders, full plane after full plane will be landing here with tourists, almost immediately after the boarders opening. That's simply not going to be the case, for many reasons, but a pilot shortage was not one that I would have anticipated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VBF Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, Leaver said: Which is my point. Many members, including business owners, believe as soon as Thailand opens their boarders, full plane after full plane will be landing here with tourists, almost immediately after the boarders opening. That's simply not going to be the case, for many reasons, but a pilot shortage was not one that I would have anticipated. Ny Pilot Shortage, I meant Pilots who were current and ready to fly passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, VBF said: Ny Pilot Shortage, I meant Pilots who were current and ready to fly passengers. Chicken and egg. Do airlines pay pilots to reaccredit themselves, whilst there are no passengers flying, or do airlines wait until passenger bookings are up, and then start to pay for reaccrediting pilots? Either way, as soon as Thailand opens its boarders, that doesn't mean a pilot jumps straight into the cockpit and flies a full plane of tourists into Bangkok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VBF Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Leaver said: Chicken and egg. Do airlines pay pilots to reaccredit themselves, whilst there are no passengers flying, or do airlines wait until passenger bookings are up, and then start to pay for reaccrediting pilots? Either way, as soon as Thailand opens its boarders, that doesn't mean a pilot jumps straight into the cockpit and flies a full plane of tourists into Bangkok. You're going around in circles (final approach?)...... re-read this thread and see that it's a gradual effort. Edited October 10, 2020 by VBF 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 hour ago, VBF said: You're going around in circles (final approach?)...... re-read this thread and see that it's a gradual effort. Sure, and I am predicting, "gradual" will be a lot slower than many think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adammike Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 17 hours ago, Leaver said: Chicken and egg. Do airlines pay pilots to reaccredit themselves, whilst there are no passengers flying, or do airlines wait until passenger bookings are up, and then start to pay for reaccrediting pilots? Either way, as soon as Thailand opens its boarders, that doesn't mean a pilot jumps straight into the cockpit and flies a full plane of tourists into Bangkok. KLM have said that pilots who have not "got their hours in" will have to fly with an instructor untill they are up to speed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 3 hours ago, adammike said: KLM have said that pilots who have not "got their hours in" will have to fly with an instructor untill they are up to speed On a commercial flight? what bout the First Officer? How's the instructor keeping his license accredited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 14 hours ago, adammike said: KLM have said that pilots who have not "got their hours in" will have to fly with an instructor untill they are up to speed How does the instructor 'get their hours in'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Yes that's how I remember WS, the clubs are still there , the neon signs, only missing people. I did spot 4 white foreigners in the video, probably Russians. Enjoy your weekend wherever you are..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3NUMBAS Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 BA is laying off another 1500 staff and no jumbos left in service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveAustin Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/4/2020 at 9:18 AM, jacko45k said: I do not believe that myself.... it is a sleeping tiger! I do, Jack. This thing ain't going away and even if the country magically re-opened, they'd be spooked by inevitably rising C numbers and shut up shop again. But even if this disease went away tomorrow, Pattaya (et al) was always in for the chop. The people that run the country (sadly, that aspect ain't going away either) want complete change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agoodpunt Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 many a great night good ridigence poster forget why they came to pattaya "my girl is different" or boy hope it returns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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