Thai Beaches Won’t Reopen Fully Until Vaccines Become Available

[starfish]

On 10/1/2020 at 5:32 AM, ezzra said:

So as we understand that during the 14 days quarantine there will be guard positioned thought out the hotel and outside the hotel to prevent them " tourists" from wondering off and mingling among themselves? and them tourists actually signed up for that and paid money?...

But, but, don´t forget the exciting online-shoping from within your hotelroom, they promised us . .

 

[nong38]

8 hours ago, nev said:

If you read the small print it says it may not be a accurate count of deaths by covid-19, so they are basically saying they are adding deaths with covid-19 to deaths by covid-19. Boosting the numbers again.

In 2015 57 million people died worldwide, whilst 1 million looks bad remember the world population is currently 7.8 billion. The vast majority of people who have contracted the disease have recovered, project fear in all its forms is at work and in many cases people with under lying illnesses have just found contracting covid-19 to much for the body to cope with but it suits some to put deaths down to the virus, meanwhile states of emergency restrict our freedoms and devalue our lives, we lose time we cannot buy back later.

[NB1986]

So actually in one hand, they are trying to promote domestic tourism and bring few thiusand foreigners inside including already ones here and no fully opening beach? So actually what you offering to so called tourists? 14 day quarantine? I would really love to pay few thousand euros just to come see beautiful Thailand hotels and 14 day Quarantine spend... Thanks

[Jeffr2]

On 10/4/2020 at 5:46 PM, vermin on arrival said:

Certainly people don't fully understand the virus, but they do have informed opinions/ideas based on science and the understanding of how coronaviruses, flus and other respiratory viruses historically behave. This virus is not completely novel; that is the myth. While herd immunity hasn't been "proven", it is logical and scientific to believe it should exist, and many health care professionals do so.

Just because he's on Skynews doesn't mean he's credible.  Again, do a Google search on his name.  It shows up on many dodgy websites that try to prove this virus isn't that bad.  It is.

 

But you're right, herd immunity hasn't been proven as most credible health care professionals admit.

[Jeffr2]

On 10/4/2020 at 11:03 PM, nong38 said:

In 2015 57 million people died worldwide, whilst 1 million looks bad remember the world population is currently 7.8 billion. The vast majority of people who have contracted the disease have recovered, project fear in all its forms is at work and in many cases people with under lying illnesses have just found contracting covid-19 to much for the body to cope with but it suits some to put deaths down to the virus, meanwhile states of emergency restrict our freedoms and devalue our lives, we lose time we cannot buy back later.

The vast majority who have recovered are also experiencing very bad after effects.  Sad your freedoms are more important than protecting the lives of others.  It's not that difficult.  Wear a mask and social distance.  We can get this behind us if everyone just did these simple things.  And life would start to return to normal.  Like we have here in Thailand now.

[Peter Denis]

23 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

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Wear a mask and social distance.  We can get this behind us if everyone just did these simple things.  And life would start to return to normal.  Like we have here in Thailand now.

Ergo > NO need wear a mask and social distance in Thailand.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

The vast majority who have recovered are also experiencing very bad after effects.  Sad your freedoms are more important than protecting the lives of others.  It's not that difficult.  Wear a mask and social distance.  We can get this behind us if everyone just did these simple things.  And life would start to return to normal.  Like we have here in Thailand now.

The are certainly lingering side effects for some "long haulers" but with such a new disease its impossible to be certain on the causes. For some the side effects can be because of evasive treatment such as intubation but there are no peer reviewed clinical studies. There is one online study carried out by South Korea on recovered patients and one telephone followup in the US on recovered patients but this is an area that lacks full research currently. 

 

To state that "the vast majority who have recovered are also experiencing very bad side effects" is scare mongering and not back up with proven fact. A great click bait headline for any news media.

Edited October 6, 2020 by Bkk Brian

[nong38]

9 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

The vast majority who have recovered are also experiencing very bad after effects.  Sad your freedoms are more important than protecting the lives of others.  It's not that difficult.  Wear a mask and social distance.  We can get this behind us if everyone just did these simple things.  And life would start to return to normal.  Like we have here in Thailand now.

Life is a risk, get used to it. You are welcome to give up your freedoms, it your choice but its not mine.

[TheFreqFlyer]

Misleading title because I doubt beaches will be closed off to visitors without a vaccine. 

 

Speaking of the country itself - keep dreaming. There may never be a vaccine! 

[A512]

On 10/1/2020 at 4:16 AM, lujanit said:

The big question is are these Chinese going to be made to go into a 14 day quarantine before they are let into the wild.  As well as covid tests, wearing of bracelets etc.  My guess is no and this pseudo government will come up with 'reasons' why the Chinese are exempt.

 

The same goes for the eight Chinese arriving by private charter.

 

One rule for their Chinese overlords another for dirty farangs.

if you got monies you are the boss. 

[A512]

7 hours ago, nong38 said:

Life is a risk, get used to it. You are welcome to give up your freedoms, it your choice but its not mine.

very well said, thanks a lot.

[vermin on arrival]

On 10/6/2020 at 7:42 AM, Jeffr2 said:

Just because he's on Skynews doesn't mean he's credible.  Again, do a Google search on his name.  It shows up on many dodgy websites that try to prove this virus isn't that bad.  It is.

 

But you're right, herd immunity hasn't been proven as most credible health care professionals admit.

However, with other respiratory viruses of this nature the standard epidemiological theory is that it does exist. There is an abundance of evidence that immunity exists for this and herd immunity can be achieved; however, you chose to not see it. There are plenty of credible health care professionals who state this, but they are not usually not allowed out front and center to state their cases. It can't be completely "proven" that it exists until the things are declared completely to have ended because we have herd immunity. So some tell us to cower in fear until it ends. Many in the medical establishment are tremendously conservative in their appraisals.

 

This virus has an ifr between .1-.3 (max .6). It's real, but it isn't nearly as serious as we have been led to believe. It's just a very bad flu that seems comparable to the Asian or Hong Kong flus, but may be worse. Some will have long term health issues from it as people have always had long term consequences from pneumonia (but these may be worse). I heard one immunologist say they don't know the long term results from flus because it's never been studied; however, we are hyper focused on this illness, which is a bad thing. However, for the people who are long haulers it looks like things will be difficult for them at least for a while.

 

The main stream media keeps the hysteria ramped up because it sells. The politicians and directors of national health care responses can't go back and say oops we got it wrong now because the public will want their heads after the economic and social devastation their policies have caused. Much of the public believes it because of the fear mongering the media has been yammering at them for months on end. The corporate main stream media has shown itself not to be trustworthy for a very long time (weapons of mass destruction anyone? Regime change in Libya?). That of course, doesn't mean that all other websites are to be believed, but limiting oneself to it, doesn't give one an accurate understanding of things.

Edited October 7, 2020 by vermin on arrival

[vermin on arrival]

Sorry for the back to back posts, but this declaration of health care professionals just came out on the issue of herd immunity. It is the Great Barrington Declaration made by 3 scholars in the field of epidemiology:

 

1 Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring of infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.2 Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.3.Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.

 

Here is one of the central paragraphs of the declaration: "As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e.  the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity."

 

The declaration was signed by approximately 13,000 health care professionals, including 36 cosigners with their names and credentials.

 

Here is the full document link:

https://gbdeclaration.org/

 

There is also a 30 minute interview with the three main epidemiologists who made this declaration on Oct 5, 2020 by Freddie Sayers on youtube on his unherd youtube channel.

 

I hope people find these people to be credible medical professionals.

 

Please read the full document and peruse the names and credentials of many of the signers of the document. One can also sign it as a member of the general public and there are health care professionals who signed it from Thailand.

 

 

Edited October 8, 2020 by vermin on arrival