Popular Post BobBKK Posted October 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, aroiaroi said: They have probably learned early on that rocking the boat is a useful safety and survival strategy as an expat (smart idea). Unfortunately though (not unlike the Stockholm victim as you have noted), in some expats, this strategy hasn't been tempered, and appears to be fully unconsciously internalised. Outwardly they may relish taking on roles as "boat stabalising policemen". That's the repression side of things, which leads into the second main issue, that of projection (in this case, projecting onto the "vindictive" American 1 star reviewer). Yes, of course! why shouldn't the guy who stays one night post 4 times that the hotel are 'slavers' and mention the Czech managers nationality? why can't he take in his bottle of Gin to the restaurant? ignore attempts to settle the issue by not answering emails? he has RIGHTS right? and the hotel management have no RIGHT to defend themselves right? They tried to contact him but he kept posting and now he's surprised they went a step further? what choice did they have? he stayed ONE NIGHT - a reasonable person would walk away, leave a poor review (with no insults), and forget it. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyHarry55 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 It seems the Hotel has agreed to drop defamation if Barnes retracts his reviews. Koh Chang hotel agrees to settle dispute with American if he retracts his bad online review https://thethaiger.com/news/national/koh-chang-hotel-agrees-to-settle-dispute-with-american-if-he-retracts-his-bad-online-review No surprise there it's probably what it was all about in the first place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, DirtyHarry55 said: It seems the Hotel has agreed to drop defamation if Barnes retracts his reviews. Koh Chang hotel agrees to settle dispute with American if he retracts his bad online review https://thethaiger.com/news/national/koh-chang-hotel-agrees-to-settle-dispute-with-american-if-he-retracts-his-bad-online-review No surprise there it's probably what it was all about in the first place. Lets see if the American is a man or a mouse, tell them you want your job back and your work permit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aroiaroi Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, ChipButty said: Lets see if the American is a man or a mouse, tell them you want your job back and your work permit He may not get those, but will probably get a nice compensation payment (private, obviously). That is the only reasonable explaination for the slow settlement, taking into account as each day passes, more bad international press against the hotel spreads. Edited October 5, 2020 by aroiaroi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 minute ago, aroiaroi said: He may not get those, but will probably get a nice compensation payment (private, obviously). You reckon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aroiaroi Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ChipButty said: You reckon? It has to be private because they don't want to give the impression they are rewarding 1 star reviews, or they have made a mistake. They have already done enough damage to themselves. My guess is that, as this story continues to spread internationally, and during negotiations, the 1 star reviewer has called their bluff, and the hotel (and thailands tourism industry), are unwilling to accept further negative press headlines eg "Amazing Thailand, enjoy your stay or get jail time". There is no doubt he gets a private payment as part of settlement, the only question is how much. Edited October 5, 2020 by aroiaroi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vinny41 Posted October 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2020 3 hours ago, aroiaroi said: It has to be private because they don't want to give the impression they are rewarding 1 star reviews, or they have made a mistake. They have already done enough damage to themselves. My guess is that, as this story continues to spread internationally, and during negotiations, the 1 star reviewer has called their bluff, and the hotel (and thailands tourism industry), are unwilling to accept further negative press headlines eg "Amazing Thailand, enjoy your stay or get jail time". There is no doubt he gets a private payment as part of settlement, the only question is how much. In your dreams, they know when he gets drunk he will shoot his mouth off like when he said he was a federal agent when drunk in his words he says stupid stuff when he is drunk 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Evans Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Why is it all we hear is the "hotel". Dont they have a spokes person, a manager or owner who can speak on behalf of "the hotel" The damage is done and spread worldwide, so too late for this petulant "hotel" Tell everyone you know just boycott the Sea View Koh Chang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 20 minutes ago, Mark Evans said: Why is it all we hear is the "hotel". Dont they have a spokes person, a manager or owner who can speak on behalf of "the hotel" The damage is done and spread worldwide, so too late for this petulant "hotel" Tell everyone you know just boycott the Sea View Koh Chang. Sounds like you have some interest in spreading the word coincidence you just join TVF..........? Somebody needs to draw a line under this now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aroiaroi Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, vinny41 said: In your dreams, they know when he gets drunk he will shoot his mouth off like when he said he was a federal agent when drunk in his words he says stupid stuff when he is drunk He will have to sign a non-disparagment agreement as part of the settlement. Apart from protection against future potential lawsuits, the main benefit would be to protect them if investigative journalists from eg, 60 Minutes, approach him and invite him (and pay him thousands) to share his side of the story as part of some hypothetical investigation into the use and abuse of Thailands defamation laws. If he is drunk, back home, and knows a bit about on-line anonymity, it won't matter, I doubt the hotel will care or can do anything anyhow, he will just appear to be another typical ranting expat. Edited October 5, 2020 by aroiaroi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PaoloR Posted October 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2020 The guy should not be able to obtain a work permit or a teaching position with a criminal record. (one imprisonment for drug/alcohol DUI, one prosecution for use of a firearm in a public place). Failure to mention this when applying for a teaching job is a far more serious offence than dissing a hotel. He should not be allowed to remain any longer in Thailand. The guy is just another loser lying and scamming the system, without the intelligence to realise that bringing the spotlight onto himself, just to satisfy his spiteful need to damage this hotel, would end in tears. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, aroiaroi said: He will have to sign a non-disparagment agreement as part of the settlement. Apart from protection against future potential lawsuits, the main benefit would be to protect them if investigative journalists from eg, 60 Minutes, approach him and invite him (and pay him thousands) to share his side of the story as part of some hypothetical investigation into the use and abuse of Thailands defamation laws. If he is drunk, back home, and knows a bit about on-line anonymity, it won't matter, I doubt the hotel will care or can do anything anyhow, he will just appear to be another typical ranting expat. I don't think there will be any payment to him. in the unlikely event they did they should pay installments over a long period of time that would guarantee silence as any further gobbing would result in payments stopped 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunFred Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 NEVER put anything online that is critical of a Thai business or the government. Most of us know it is actionable. Best to keep it to yourself. I always expects the worst of any dealings with Thai people and I am never disappointed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunFred Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 The Thai government needs to shut down all "reviews" of Thai hotels. If a reviewer can't be honest, there is little use in having any sort of "review". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBKK Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, KhunFred said: NEVER put anything online that is critical of a Thai business or the government. Most of us know it is actionable. Best to keep it to yourself. I always expects the worst of any dealings with Thai people and I am never disappointed. Sensible advice especially if you can be identified. If I posted about all the bad service I have has here it would be longer than War and Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuang Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Much have been said about the hotel....why not say something about kee nok farang who refused to pay a corkage charge which is a normal a practice ...you think he would write a one-star review if he got away with a few bahts of corkage...Go get a drink from 7-eleven or cheaper still from Macro.???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Drake Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 On 10/5/2020 at 9:33 AM, BobBKK said: why shouldn't the guy who stays one night post 4 times that the hotel are 'slavers' and mention the Czech managers nationality? Same reason, I guess, that so many in these threads keep mentioning the nationality of the "the Yank." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micmichd Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 hour ago, KhunFred said: NEVER put anything online that is critical of a Thai business or the government. Most of us know it is actionable. Best to keep it to yourself. I always expects the worst of any dealings with Thai people and I am never disappointed. See, that's the big difference. I always expect the best of any dealings with Thai people and I'm rarely disappointed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo53 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 On 10/4/2020 at 11:38 AM, micmichd said: And hopefully for international gastronomy he will never come back. Thailand doesn't need scroungers. Thaiĺand needs anyone with a wallet they can get!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaanfreak Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 I do not mind who is in the right. I will not going to use that hotel. No way. Too risky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reigntax Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 12:07 AM, fishtank said: Why would he want to stay in that dump? Even if it was free. So he can post more bad reviews? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 20 hours ago, Jimbo53 said: Thaiĺand needs anyone with a wallet they can get!!! Especially a full one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReLo Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 On 10/7/2020 at 2:19 AM, Isaanfreak said: I do not mind who is in the right. I will not going to use that hotel. No way. Too risky. Clearly the only thing to do ! and also post reviews please, google has now stopped deleting them ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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