Morty T Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 It is surprising the traction this story is getting here in the States. Leave a bad review, get sued and sent to jail. The perfect ' Amazing Thailand ' campaign add. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 14 hours ago, misterjames said: Seems like the hotel owner is one of those "I know the cops" types that tried to silence the man for leaving a review but now that the news has spread to the world newspapers he realises he could be about to lose face and business I mean who wants to stay somewhere where you can't leave your honest opinion on tripadvisor for fear of going to jail? Of course they know the cops and probably being born not only in Thailand but on the island, as most of the old resort owners were, before there was even electric there, or a road, when you checked in you got the key to the room and an oil lamp. Get drunk on the beach drinking gin and then moan and wine to the staff about a common practice of paying corkage. Could have got a room elsewhere for 1,000 baht and paid smaller corkage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymike100 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Now that the 'News' of this 'fracas' has hit the international news in many of the Mainstream Media the hotel wants do a deal? Its a bit late for that really, the damage has been done. This should have been dealt without the police getting involved at all. Now everyone in the 'world' knows that if you stay at this particular hotel and make a complaint you could end up in jail. Who is going to stay there? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terje johnsen Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, 2008bangkok said: Whether the customer was right or wrong, its a worry for everyone living in Thailand that you gonna end up in the slammer for freedom of speech. Now it seems that anybody who leaves a bad review or says something the other party doesn't like its straight to Jail do not pass go. Hotel should of just contacted the review sites and had tried to have them taken down. Freedom of speech also come with responsebility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Rodriguez Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 hope the thai students protest till this and another ridiculous "law" to control people get rid of in 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealthychef Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, 2008bangkok said: Whether the customer was right or wrong, its a worry for everyone living in Thailand that you gonna end up in the slammer for freedom of speech. Now it seems that anybody who leaves a bad review or says something the other party doesn't like its straight to Jail do not pass go. Hotel should of just contacted the review sites and had tried to have them taken down. No, it's not all people that leave bad reviews. It's particularly people that leave several bad reviews, are contacted by the business, refuse to change their posts, get warned about legal action and ignore the warning. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bstafford214 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, terje johnsen said: As far as i know is norway where i come from is a democratic country but that doesnt mean you can do what you want in other country. When i go to Thailand i fellow thai law and expect that forigners that visit norway folow norwegian law. I know a guy that get expelled from us for swearing in a bank but i dont tell people to avoid us for that. I am both a UK and US citizen and agree you can't do many things that you might want to do that are unlawful in those countries. However, with that said I can post a negative review in both countries and not worry about going to prison or being fined for it. The fact remains, in Thailand, you can't leave a bad review without worrying about the consequences because of the Thai law. I live in Thailand and I am smart enough to know I must follow the Thai law, but to go to prison or be fined for making a bad review, which is the entire point here, that just says the Thai law is (deleted), enough said then. We have to live with it while we are here, but I can make my opinion known as long as I am respectful. In regards to a guy you know getting expelled from Norway for swearing in public, that seems a bit harsh don't you think. There is a Norwegian law about no swearing in public by foreigners or you may be expelled? OMG Edited October 2, 2020 by bstafford214 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Morty T said: It is surprising the traction this story is getting here in the States. Leave a bad review, get sued and sent to jail. The perfect ' Amazing Thailand ' campaign add. As opposed to perfect ' America is great' are there not corkage fees in the Unstable States of America. What would happen if you said the hotel treats black people like slaves in usa ? Edited October 2, 2020 by brianthainess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terje johnsen Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, bstafford214 said: I am both a UK and US citizen and agree you can't do many things that you might want to do that are unlawful in those countries. However, with that said I can post a negative review in both countries and not worry about going to prison or being fined for it. The fact remains, in Thailand, you can't leave a bad review without worrying about the consequences because of the Thai law. I live in Thailand and I am smart enough to know I must follow the Thai law, but to go to prison or be fined for making a bad review, which is the entire point here, that just says the Thai law is (deleted), enough said then. We have to live with it while we are here, but I can make my opinion known as long as I am respectful. In regards to a guy you know getting expelled from Norway for swearing in public and getting expelled, that seems a bit harsh don't you think. There is a Norwegian law about no swearing in public by foreigners or you may be expelled? OMG It was a norwegian that get expelled from the us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bstafford214 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, brianthainess said: As opposed to perfect ' America is great' are there not corkage fees in the Unstable States of America. That may be true about a corkage fee, but many establishments will not allow you to bring in your own booze, you won't be allowed inside. However with that said there are so many idiotic laws in the US, you wouldn't believe they are true. Search for ridiculous laws in the US and be ready for some great laughs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morty T Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said: Good luck with that. Such a corrupt organisation as the Thai Police undoubtably are should never be given free access to that information. You could be required to present a Police clearance certificate before being granted a required visa to visit but that defeats the purpose and would be counterproductive. Always interesting to note when people tell me they live in a flat, keep their spare tire in the boot and occasionally have a fag an then tell me ' I'm an American." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bstafford214 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, terje johnsen said: It was a norwegian that get expelled from the us. OMG, then I would like to see the story, seems there are some stranger laws that I am not aware of in the US, have been gone for a long time. Was he deported while Trump was in office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Deerhunter Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 14 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said: My prediction of outcome will be that the offender in question will withdraw his and other solicited protracted vendetta style comments or agree to have them removed in return for the Hotel owner withdrawing charges as a result. As long as Thai law allows people to sue for defamation even though the complaint is genuine, these will re-occur. The hotel will have taken the opinion that they cannot lose because, true or not, they were defamed and the dirty foreigner will realize he is not back home. But really, a 500 corkage fee,??? Really? But I would possibly be miffed too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said: This should have been dealt without the police getting involved at all. They DID try to contact him by E-mail and he ignored them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
235291_1469957462 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Thailand needs Radio Free Europe. Has the county really reached a level of censorship that doesn’t allow people to express their views? That awful. Thailand has become awful. Let the Chinese have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Drake Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 13 hours ago, Flying Saucage said: It's the public pressure now which make the owner of the hotel (again, it's a Thai guy, the Czech guy is only an employee) willing to negociate. The Czech manager will be the sacrificial offering. Not the customer's fault. Not the owner's fault. It was that nasty ole Czech guy's fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Neeranam Posted October 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2020 19 minutes ago, wealthychef said: In that case, I think they should have a warning on their recommendation area that informs users that they are under legal risk if they abuse it. it's common sense, if you tell lies about a company that could affect their business, you should be man enough to accept all charges. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expat Tom Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I wonder how much the hotel is willing to give him? I was raised in a business environment where 'the customer is right'. If there is an actual settlement requiring the guests to pay the hotel, the only way that the Thai tourism industry can come out ahead is for THEM to pay the damages for the guests and get $30,000,00 baht in good international press for their small investment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanuk711 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 The guy is probably worried about his work permit etc. But if he stood firm, I don't think in a million years they would jail him. Can you imagine the western papers with that story. Man said he didn't like his hotel or meal is jailed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expat Tom Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 By the way, I am planning a trip....what is the name of that hotel again ?..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagged Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, terje johnsen said: It was a norwegian that get expelled from the us. 18 minutes ago, bstafford214 said: , in Thailand, you can't leave a bad review without worrying about the consequences because of the Thai law. I live in Thailand and I am smart enough to know I must follow the Thai law, but to go to prison or be fined for making a bad review, which is the entire point here This is the first case I ever heard about, and trust me, I have left bad reviews in Thailand, and will continue to do so. If you give fair critic, you should not worry. Edited October 2, 2020 by Tagged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagged Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, sanuk711 said: The guy is probably worried about his work permit etc. But if he stood firm, I don't think in a million years they would jail him. Can you imagine the western papers with that story. Man said he didn't like his hotel or meal is jailed. Rumors says he have no, and he is fired from his work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terje johnsen Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, bstafford214 said: OMG, then I would like to see the story, seems there are some stranger laws that I am not aware of in the US, have been gone for a long time. Was he deported while Trump was in office? Yes it was where the mormon people live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealthychef Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Neeranam said: it's common sense, if you tell lies about a company that could affect their business, you should be man enough to accept all charges. I agree, but we routinely warn people of danger that is common sense. For example, when I post to YouTube I get asked if I'm posting content for children. That's because there are special laws about that. The same reasoning should apply here. When posting a review, a warning should appear to help you be informed. Many Westerners are surprised at this law and don't take it seriously. Why not help people instead of punishing them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GWS Posted October 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2020 Surely Mr Barnes will have to apologise to Thailand on national television, then state what a wonderful country it is and then agree to be part of a few pointing photos for the press release. Case closed. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jomtienisgood Posted October 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2020 14 hours ago, Shuya said: I hope the guy sues them for a few millions. Legal costs should be payed by tripadvisor and google, it's their business modell who is at stake. Yes, so next time he won't have problems paying the 500 Thb for opening a bottle he brought from outside the restaurant...... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnarth Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 what has the general to say about this, the government and its laws are in this jail sentence ideas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, wealthychef said: I agree, but we routinely warn people of danger that is common sense. For example, when I post to YouTube I get asked if I'm posting content for children. That's because there are special laws about that. The same reasoning should apply here. When posting a review, a warning should appear to help you be informed. Many Westerners are surprised at this law and don't take it seriously. Why not help people instead of punishing them? You can not be charged for making a negative review. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonyboy Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 14 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said: My prediction of outcome will be that the offender in question will withdraw his and other solicited protracted vendetta style comments or agree to have them removed in return for the Hotel owner withdrawing charges as a result. Sounds about right, they don't like bad remarks made, or only giving one star, no doubt TripAdvisor has had a word and a few farang bows, a handshake, a special free weekend stay with extra attention and all 'should' end well, as long as the American takes down his remarks, that's the Biggy decider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer6969 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 19 minutes ago, Tagged said: and he is fired from his work. Where I com from he would sue his employer for doing so. He hasn't been proven guilty of anything nor sentenced. Many of my colleagues got speeding fines, which is far worse than anything Mr. Barnes has done, and merrily kept their jobs. Just shows the abysmal level at which this country resides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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