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2 hours ago, kingdong said:

stone me it was intended as a witty one liner,i didn,t expect a spanish inquisition.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, especially the Clitheroe Kid. I remember his radio comedy, pretty <deleted>, but then I'm from the other side of Pennines.

Radio is great, you hear the voices and imagine the rest.

'Just a Minute', what a brilliant show that was. 

 

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Don't blink Boris, they are on the rails.........😊

Britain is one t not two....and we will certainly not be ruled by faceless unelected EU bureaucrats that,s for sure

No, you’re being ruled by an unelected monarch. 👍 

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7 hours ago, bannork said:

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, especially the Clitheroe Kid. I remember his radio comedy, pretty <deleted>, but then I'm from the other side of Pennines.

Radio is great, you hear the voices and imagine the rest.

'Just a Minute', what a brilliant show that was. 

 

showing your age if you remember the clitheroe kid,jimmy was an inspiration to us all and his legend will never die.

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Things have moved on a lot since I was last here; so I'l just quickly deal with this.

 

On 10/15/2020 at 5:41 PM, CG1 Blue said:

Examples that spring to mind Barnier and Verhofstadt's despicable comments in the Brexit: Behind Closed Doors documentary.  Showing contempt and mocking the UK negotiating team, using delaying (or attrition) tactics in the hope the British public would tire of the delays. Verhofstadt's gleeful "they are stuck" comment. 

 

At the first full steering committee meeting we see them celebrating and toasting their conclusion that the UK is stuck with them; and will be paying contributions for another 5 years. 

 How are comments made in full view of documentary cameras deceitful?

 

But as the remarks to which you take such great exception were about May's team and her proposals, I'd have thought that you should be agreeing with them!

 

You cannot tell me that the UK team, May's and Johnson's haven't made similar comments. We just never saw or heard them because the UK team weren't being filmed.

 

On 10/15/2020 at 5:41 PM, CG1 Blue said:

The EU banned senior Irish customs officials from holding any meaningful discussions or negotiations with the UK over new border arrangements. The EU needed the Irish border to remain a big issue (a stick to beat us with), and the Irish government were happy enough to play ball because of their desire for a united Ireland. 

 

Unsurprisingly, as the RoI is in the EU customs union then any and all customs arrangements with non EU members is a matter not just for the Roi and UK but also for the EU. You will find the same wherever the EU has a land border with a non member.

 

Two attempts at maintaining the integrity of the customs union and the Good Friday agreement have been proposed. May's protocol; rejected by Brexiteers as BRINO, and Johnson's customs border down the Irish Sea. Of course, whether his lauding of that as his marvellous idea was incompetence or lies by him is debatable; but it  has to be one or the other.

 

Whether or not officials from the BIRC and HMRC were actively prevented from talking to each other is speculative at best. Facts4EU.org claim they have evidence; but it's mainly hearsay.

 

That the government of the RoI want a united Ireland is no secret. But the Irish constitution was amended to say that such would only happen with the consent of the population of Northern Ireland.

 

Of course, as the Province voted Remain in 2016 there is a growing feeling there that joining the Republic in the EU is better than remaining in the UK outside of it. From The Express 24/2/2020: End of UK? Shock poll reveals Northern Ireland could QUIT Union amid reunification surge

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The shock poll indicated surging support for a unified Ireland after Brexit, which saw Northern Ireland vote 55.8 percent in favour of remaining in the EU. The poll found if a border vote was held in Northern Ireland, 45.4 per cent said they would vote for a united Ireland

Johnsons' shenanigans over the WA and IMB have only strengthened this. 

 

On 10/15/2020 at 5:41 PM, CG1 Blue said:

Barnier is on tape saying: "There is a tactical reason to use Ireland for future negotiations. Isolating Ireland and not closing this point. Leaving it open for the next 2 or 3 years, and this will give us permanent pressure for trade negotiations etc."

 

Didn't say that the EU team were perfect; but he did say this in public, so again it's hardly deceit!

 

On 10/15/2020 at 5:41 PM, CG1 Blue said:

Playing with the fears and emotions of the Irish people to achieve their goal. Disgusting. 

Agree; but it's exactly what Johnson and Cummings have done!

 

On 10/15/2020 at 5:41 PM, CG1 Blue said:

This was just at the beginning. Just a taster for you.

 

On 10/15/2020 at 2:25 PM, CG1 Blue said:

Yes, you need someone with a bit of ingenuity and trickery when up against the EU shysters. Anyone playing with a straight bat (e.g. Theresa May) would be eaten alive. 

You praise Johnson and Cummings for their 'ingenuity and trickery' yet condemn the EU for doing the same.

 

Rather hypocritical of you.

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On 10/16/2020 at 1:46 PM, 3NUMBAS said:

Farage rages after violent French attack against UK boats - 'This is WHY fishing matters!'

BREXITEERS like Nigel Farage have reacted with outrage after French fishing vessels were filmed attacking British boats this week, just as a key Brexit deadline approaches.

By Oli Smith

PUBLISHED: 14:49, Thu, Oct 15, 2020 | UPDATED: 14:50, Thu, Oct 15, 2020

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1348120/Brexit-latest-news-Nigel-Farage-fisheries-Emmanuel-Macron-France-fishing-vn

From that article: "Earlier this week, a dangerous clash erupted between French and British boats off the Normandy coast."

 

That can't be right; according to @Loiner and others we don't fish in French waters!

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18 hours ago, Loiner said:

Oh hello, back again, where have you been, on holiday or something? 

If you want to quote me in your posts you had better back it up pal. 

 

Where have I said anything like that? Give us one of those links you rate so highly.

 My apologies; my memory played me false.

 

You didn't actually say that we didn't fish in French waters; you just ignored the devastating effect a no deal Brexit and losing access to those waters would have on a large proportion of UK fishermen.

 Although you did in reply to another post say here 

that losing access to French waters would mean "There will be more jobs for British fishermen, not less." Though you were unable to explain how that miracle would be achieved!

 

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1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

 My apologies; my memory played me false.

 

You didn't actually say that we didn't fish in French waters; you just ignored the devastating effect a no deal Brexit and losing access to those waters would have on a large proportion of UK fishermen.

 Although you did in reply to another post say here 

that losing access to French waters would mean "There will be more jobs for British fishermen, not less." Though you were unable to explain how that miracle would be achieved!

 

Not so infallible are you? 

I did ignore your predictions of a devastating effect, because they are your old pony. it's just your ongoing Project Fear so not worth commenting on in any detail.

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20 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Not so infallible are you? 

I admit to my mistakes and do not consider myself infallible. You should try it sometime.

 

20 minutes ago, Loiner said:

I did ignore your predictions of a devastating effect, because they are your old pony. it's just your ongoing Project Fear so not worth commenting on in any detail.

Old pony? Project Fear? Your label for all the bad effects of Brexit; deal or no. 

 

Go on; tell us where those UK inshore fishermen who currently fish in French waters are going to fish if they cannot access French waters.

 

While you're at it; what about where those UK inshore and deep sea fishermen who fish in UK waters will sell the catch they currently sell to EU countries if those markets are denied them.

 

Two questions you choose to ignore because you simply cannot answer them and it won't effect you anyway. But two questions of great importance to those who will lose their livelihoods.

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