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Non-Immigrant Visa Category “O-X” (long stay) versus Thai Elite versus "O-A"


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I am Australian citizen, 50 plus and have spent time over many years visiting, living and working in Thailand. The last 5 years or so I've been working elsewhere in Asia with regular vacations spent back in Thailand on VE arrivals. I have a long term Thai gf, we're not married. I plan to semi-retire or retire back to Thailand some time next year whenever the current Covid situation allows. I may also live in Oz now and then for a few months as my gf has Aussie permanent residency and I own a house there. 

 

I was wondering about the use of a Non-Immigrant Visa Category “O-X” (long stay) visa, rather than a retirement visa or even a Thai Elite? I plan to travel in & out and thought that the 90 day reports for a retirement visa may become a problem with timing, particularly if one needs to be done whilst I'm outside of the country? As I will probably do some part time consultancy work, I may not be able to be in Thailand when the reporting is required. 

 

I have the financial resources in a Thai bank for either the O-X or Thai Elite visas and do not have any concerns over the seasoning requirements of the "O-X" visa, so do not require any advice on this aspect.

 

Has anyone here ever used one of these "O-X" long stay visas? They seem to be quite good in that they give you a 5 year stay without 90 day reports? 

 

Would one of these grant you early or preferential entry over say a standard retirement visa, if the Covid situation is persisting through next year?

 

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OP, your situation is not dissimilar to mine. For me the best option is obvious.  Obtain non O (retirement) then do annual extensions. Sounds like money is not your issue. Stick 800k in a Thai ba

You are mixing up the requirements for a Non Imm O-A and a Non Imm O-X Visa. Below I have outlined the main differences.   When applying for a 1-year Non Imm O-A Visa at a Thai Embassy/

When applying for a Non Imm O-A Visa at a Thai Embassy/Consulate in your home-country, that type Visa is sometimes referred to as a 'retirement Visa'.  In several countries (e.g. US and Australia) the

20 minutes ago, Upnotover said:

If you are not in Thailand when a 90 day report is due you obviously don't have to worry about it as you haven't been there 90 days.  Start counting again when you return.  Same applies to all visa/extension types.

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. It clears up something I've often wondered about.. 

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I am just waiting another couple of years to cross 50 so I can do the OX (tho I do often wonder if I shouldnt budget to use an umbrella company for 80k per month income to give a long term route to PR or citizenship). 

My reasoning is I will have a 5 year visa, I can come and go as I please, with 1 year entries per time.. No obligation to dance to immigrations tune whatsoever, no needing to be back incountry in time for some set annual date to keep my extension valid, and 5 years of not even thinking about immigration other than doing an on online 90 day report if I am ever incountry for that long at a time.

If I am still travelling as much as I am now I just need to ensure 1.2 is safely set aside so as to get another 5 years. Yet the price for this decades total ease of use is zero out of pocket costs (yeah sure opportunity cost of money and all that but really not bothered). 

I understand if I was to remain in Thailand the year, I would have to go prove my insurance etc to immigration annually, but I am not ever likely to not leave once per year.. Hell I have left twice this year with all the travel issues that 2020 brings. 

For my lifestyle it just seems total ease of use, with no actual out of pocket costs. 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, LivinLOS said:

I am just waiting another couple of years to cross 50 so I can do the OX (tho I do often wonder if I shouldnt budget to use an umbrella company for 80k per month income to give a long term route to PR or citizenship). 

My reasoning is I will have a 5 year visa, I can come and go as I please, with 1 year entries per time.. No obligation to dance to immigrations tune whatsoever, no needing to be back incountry in time for some set annual date to keep my extension valid, and 5 years of not even thinking about immigration other than doing an on online 90 day report if I am ever incountry for that long at a time.

If I am still travelling as much as I am now I just need to ensure 1.2 is safely set aside so as to get another 5 years. Yet the price for this decades total ease of use is zero out of pocket costs (yeah sure opportunity cost of money and all that but really not bothered). 

I understand if I was to remain in Thailand the year, I would have to go prove my insurance etc to immigration annually, but I am not ever likely to not leave once per year.. Hell I have left twice this year with all the travel issues that 2020 brings. 

For my lifestyle it just seems total ease of use, with no actual out of pocket costs.

Contrary to what you wrote the O-X requirements specify that:

> Foreigners must report, in person, to the immigration officer every 1 year for the examination of the qualifications and supporting documents.

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20 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Contrary to what you wrote the O-X requirements specify that:

> Foreigners must report, in person, to the immigration officer every 1 year for the examination of the qualifications and supporting documents.

Yes thats what you do if your in country past the end of the years permission of stay granted on entry. After a year incountry, you must then show your documents to get another years extension. 

However if your travelling more frequently than that, the process is a 1 year entry each time you return to Thailand. 

Thats how I understood the process, is that wrong ?? 

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17 hours ago, howerde said:

The O-X visa is actually a 10 year visa 5+5, you will still need to do 90 day reports if you are in Thailand,  i have one, and it was tight decision between elite and O-X, the O-X requires health insurance from an approved list, though there do seem to be some work arounds, the elite does not have any insrance requirements other than the current covid-19 insurance which all visa holders need to enter Thailand, at the  moment O-A and O-X can enter Thailand, the non 0 (retirement) holders can't at this moment, it's any ones guess at the moment the rules seem to change daily.

Thanks Howerde. On your reply....."at the moment O-A and O-X can enter Thailand, the non 0 (retirement) holders can't at this moment, ".....

 

I thought an 'O-A' visa is the retirement visa? 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

When applying for a Non Imm O-A Visa at a Thai Embassy/Consulate in your home-country, that type Visa is sometimes referred to as a 'retirement Visa'.  In several countries (e.g. US and Australia) the Thai Embassy/Consulate does not issue 90-day Non Imm O Visa for reason of retirement.  And it is thus the only Visa you can apply for for reason of retirement.

Note: The retirement terminology is also somewhat misleading as you do not need to be retired to be eligible for the Visa, you only need to be +50 years of age.

 

When in Thailand (e.g. having arrived Visa Exempt or on a Tourist Visa) you can apply in country at your local IO for a 90-day Non Imm O Visa.  And you can do this for reason of RETIREMENT if you meet the age (+50) and financial requirements.  In the last month of those 90 days you can then apply for a 1-year extension of stay based on that Non Imm O Visa for reason of retirement.

 

So it is in fact quite unfair that those who are currently in their home-country having exited Thailand with a re-entry permit that protects the permission to stay of their 1-year permission to stay based on the Non Imm O Visa for reason of retirement which they applied for in Thailand, are now blocked from applying for a COE.

And as long as their permission to stay (protected by that re-entry permit) has not expired, they are not even able to apply for the Non Imm O-A Visa or for a 90-day Non Imm O Visa for reason of marriage, on which they can apply for the COE to enter Thailand.

 

Imo when they drafted the COE entry options, they have simply forgotten that there are people on a 1-year Non Imm O extension of stay for reason of retirement with a permission to stay protected by a Re-Entry Permit.

Thanks Peter D, appreciate your explanations. 

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17 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

When going occasionally back to your home-country, alternatively you could also apply for the Non Imm O-A Visa.  That Visa does now require mandatory IO-approved insurance (easy and cheap solution available to cover that requirement)

Could you give some more info on the insurance as its quite easy but not cheap at all, starting at around 50.000 baht per year.

Specially since i already have an international health insurance the Thai health insurance is of zero value to me. 

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