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3 hours ago, Poet said:


By my definition, a digital nomad is someone who treats his career as a business and focuses on becoming extremely skilled within a particular niche. He may work for clients but his focus is primarily entrepreneurial. Whereas pretty much any English speaker can become a teacher, and the pay reflects that, a digital nomad must be sufficiently skilled at something that people are willing to pay more for, and the amount he earns should increase as those skills improve and his reputation grows.
 

Digital Nomad is both a misnomer and also overused to represent many things to many people (which can mean communication is an issue).  A more accurate term for what I consider to be a 'digital nomad', for the purposes of what Korn has proposed for a visa, a 'remote employee' or 'remote contractor' or maybe 'digital entrepreneur' (this is the new growth area).  Primarily software developers, software QA, documentation, etc.   Most long term software developers in places such as silicon valley, and all sorts of regional variations of the same.... don't actually 'need' to work in the office other than because of corporate policy.   Even before the pandemic there are on the order of 40+ remote work websites that connect people doing remote work with customers that are interested in hiring (and a lot of that work is very well remunerated).  Many of these companies are reconsidering their policies about requiring people to work in the office -- so the number of remote workers/contractors is only going to grow.  Personally I think it beneficial to areas that have had their market distorted by too much of a concentration of these high paid jobs that push out or make difficult to live in/near for people that are not in these high paid jobs - maybe with more people not having to work in the office they can spread out.   If some come to Thailand or Vietnam or where-ever to work remotely I can only see it as a positive for the local economy - especially if it is legalized.  Many of these employers would have no problems requiring/reporting income to offshore countries (if made easy and convenient). 

 

I too do not think of vloggers as digital nomads, but in one way they are - but often it is no more than supplemental income for those that live in Thailand.   I would not think they would ever qualify for what Korn is considering a 'digital nomad' visa.  Most do not have enough views to generate the income that would be expected of a digital nomad. (the number that I know of are insignificant as well). 

 

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42 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Digital Nomad is both a misnomer and also overused to represent many things to many people


Yes, I think even most digital nomads are confused.

Work is evolving on several levels. The idea of a "job for life" is no longer realistic. The notion that you receive your education before starting your worklife and don't need to keep adding new skills is no longer feasible. The idea that you have to be in a certain place, for a certain specific number of hours each workday, with some sort of manager keeping a beady eye on you, is slowly melting away - results now matter more than attendance.

The key concepts that people will become obvious to more people over the coming decade is that where your job exists does not have to be where you are, and that where you pay taxes does not have to be where you live.

Again, digital nomads and remote workers who chose to travel are simply a form of long-stay tourist, nothing more. Some countries are already realizing that they are not a threat to local jobs and that their spending brings money into the country and actually creates local jobs. It simply does not matter what they are doing as they tap away on their Macbooks.

The secret way to encourage more of this particular category of long-stay tourist is to make it easy for people stay in your country for six months or a year. Thailand was actually doing a pretty good job of this before the coup. Coincidentally, this also encouraged all the other forms of long-stay tourist.

Post-Covid, at least until mass tourism recovers in about a decade, it would be smart for Thailand to widely publicize a visa waiver system that encourages digital nomads, remote workers, retirees, and anyone else with a few months to spare to, simply hop on a plane and enjoy the sun in Thailand. No paperwork, no Immigration offices, no 90-day reports, no stress - the recipe that, over half-a-century, organically built Thailand's position as a tourism superpower, the envy of every neighboring country. That is the only sort of hub that Thailand is ever going to be, and it should embrace that.

 

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Better lower the tax rates drastically to be similar to Hong Kong and Singapore, if they want to attract anyone in today's environment. 

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"Digital Nomad" was just a marketers dreamed up term to sell bizz opp courses once upon a time.  Sounded sexy. Then adopted by every make money online , make money fast pitch.

So, I can see how it's adopted and seen in a negative light.

@Poet has been giving excellent descriptions of what "nomads" really do.  But "Digital Nomad" is really just wrong word usage for most.

REally, these "nomads" are one of 3 basic types of things.

1.  The are an employee that works online
2.  A contractor that works online
3.  A freelancer that works online
4.  An entrepreneur who works online
5.  A business owner whose business is run online.

Starting at 3, if they focused or found their niche of expertise, they are making over six figures easy.  But like offline businesses, you'll find a 95% failure rate, or people who are serial course buyers with a hobby.  So, they might be claiming to be...but they are struggling people just trying to make their way.

#5 is generating 7 to 8 figures yearly revenue pretty easily.  (Don't mistake that for profits though).

Oh.  I guess their is a number 6.  and that is the ones that annoy you I think.  "Influencers" on IG, YT, TikTok now.
yeah, they made it by running around and taking a bunch of pics as early adapters.  And usually loudmouth look at me idiots that used to have no place in society as a success in the work place...but the populace loves train wrecks, so the world has flipped lol...and they also make a good living online if they built up their followers.

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15 hours ago, Cranky said:

Are you kidding? Even the quietest food sellers knock out at least a grand a day up to 10s of thousands.  Ever seen the stalls on Cowboy at office kicking out time? Or Wireless Road - good luck getting a seat at lunch time  Hundreds of plates of nosh shifted between 5-8 to office girls finishing for the day and the girlies clocking on.  Almost every 711 has a few very profitable stalls, (dogs are happy) I know a chicken BBQ stand that flogs at least 30 chickens a day before lunchtime at a profit of 100b a go.  

 

Beautiful business model, sell all you prepare then go home, next to no overheads - taxes paid in full to the BIB of course... 

You seem to know a lot about their businesses, so I'll defer to your expertise.

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12 hours ago, Poet said:

In one way or another, we all sell our time. There is nothing mercenary about wanting to capture more of the value you create for your family, rather than some boss.

It's still quite close to the business model. Like Ronin back in Japan, selling their skills to the highest bidder. Nothing wrong with it, one man bands are a good thing.

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On 10/15/2020 at 7:55 AM, bkkcanuck8 said:

That really is none of your business.  It is up to the issuers (the Thai people and their government) and the people they issue visas for.  

I am Thai. 

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14 hours ago, bkk_bwana said:

I am Thai. 

Well then, it is lucky you are in a democratic country where the government listens to the wishes of it's people...

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12 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Well then, it is lucky you are in a democratic country where the government listens to the wishes of it's people...

To be fair, even in the democratic countries it's pretty rare that the government listen to 

the wishes of it's people, A lot of promises before every election, then when it's done

it's business as usual mostly for the benefit of and handfull of wealthy elites

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1 hour ago, kingofthemountain said:

To be fair, even in the democratic countries it's pretty rare that the government listen to 

the wishes of it's people, A lot of promises before every election, then when it's done

it's business as usual mostly for the benefit of and handfull of wealthy elites

That is why I said he was lucky 🤣

 

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