stubuzz Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Hi, I need a WP3 (work permit pre-application) for a Non B visa application, but my school has told me that the Labour Office wont issue one. Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Is the school giving a reason for it not being issued? I have heard recently of a it not being issued due to the work permit office wanting you to have a teaching license or waiver to issue it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slip Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) I'm stranded in the UK for the same reason. My work permit has expired and I need a WP3 to apply for a COE, but the labour office has not been issuing them at all apparently (I have a valid 5 year TL) due to covid. I understand that, due to high demand (also caused by covid) they are starting to issue them now. EDIT: OP I emailed the London embassy about this last week, but I'm yet to get a reply. Edited October 14, 2020 by Slip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubuzz Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) I have a full teaching licence. The London Embassy is listing it as a requirement for a Non B. I am told the Labour Office wont accept the WP3 as i am not in the country, However, the WP3 is the form that is used for applicants applying in another country. FYI: My name is on the Ministry of Education list so no problems getting a COE once i have a visa. Edited October 14, 2020 by stubuzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, stubuzz said: I am told the Labour Office wont accept the WP3 as i am not in the country, However, the WP3 is the form that is used for applicants applying in another country. Are you sure the school is completing a WP3 for and not different form. In normal times a school would not need to apply for WP3 since it is not required to apply for a non-b visa for teaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubuzz Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share Posted October 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: Are you sure the school is completing a WP3 for and not different form. In normal times a school would not need to apply for WP3 since it is not required to apply for a non-b visa for teaching. I gave them the WP3 form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubuzz Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share Posted October 14, 2020 From the RTE London website. https://london.thaiembassy.org/en/publicservice/119247-requirements-for-certificate-of-entry-during-travel-restriction?page=5d6636cd15e39c3bd00072dd&menu=5f4b6eb3f6ae4b236972c562#3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubuzz Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Slip said: EDIT: OP I emailed the London embassy about this last week, but I'm yet to get a reply. I have sent many emails, but have only received a generic answer with a link the the page above. Edited October 14, 2020 by stubuzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, stubuzz said: I have sent many emails, but have only received a generic answer with a link the the page above. The problem is getting the certificate of entry that requires the WP3. For some unknown reason they are stuck on wanting a WP3 or a work permit even though it is not required to apply for the non-b visa. Have you checked this page for the visa requirements. https://london.thaiembassy.org/en/publicservice/84508-non-immigrant-visas?page=5d6636cd15e39c3bd00072dd&menu=5f4b6eb3f6ae4b236972c562 Others are having the same problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojothai Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 22 hours ago, stubuzz said: I am told the Labour Office wont accept the WP3 as i am not in the country, However, the WP3 is the form that is used for applicants applying in another country. Yes confusing isnt it? The WP3 form is for apllication when applying in another country. When I needed the WP3 for a Non-B over 2 years ago, my thai employer was told that they cannot apply for a WP3 unless i was outside the Country. My application was for Project Management with a large thai consultant. Not Teaching. I had to go outside country and send back evidence that I was outside that was used immediately with the WP3 application. The appication was processed within a few days and the original WP3 letter from the labour dept was sent to me overseas by Courier so that i could apply for the Non-B outside. The process worked and i got the Non-B. That was long before Covid-19, however i would hazard a guess that the WP3 requirements have not changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojothai Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) When I went through the process of getting the Non-B and related it to others in the past. It was pointed out to me that some Country embassies do not need the WP3 for the Non-B. The places I looked at going all required one. FYI, I just checked what is now on the Hong Kong thai consulate and Manila consulate. Both show WP3 required for work Non-B, but not for Teaching for which there are other requirements. http://www.thai-consulate.org.hk/web/3015.php?s=4262 https://www.thaiembassymnl.ph/images/ThaiVisaRequirementListUPDATED2020.pdf Why would London be any different??? Edited October 15, 2020 by jojothai add info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, jojothai said: Why would London be any different??? It is not required for non-b visa based upon teaching. It only required to apply for a certificate of entry at the embassy, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oompie69 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 This is typical. The left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. As Ubonjoe states, the WP3 is not required for the Non-B. The problem lies with the MFA that added this requirement under the emergency decree without thinking about how it would affect other government departments, like the embassies. While some embassies are following the existing normal guidelines, others are following the guidelines issued by the MFA to embassies. Krusapha will not issue a teacher license if you are not in Thailand. and Labour Office will not issue a WP3 without the teacher license from Krusapha. I have my previous (expired) work permit as proof that I am already registered with the Labour Department. Even with this, the Labour Department will not issue the WP3. Anybody know anbody who can whisper in the right ear to get the MFA to correct this blooper? Sigh! Just wishing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oompie69 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 4 hours ago, jojothai said: When I went through the process of getting the Non-B and related it to others in the past. It was pointed out to me that some Country embassies do not need the WP3 for the Non-B. The places I looked at going all required one. FYI, I just checked what is now on the Hong Kong thai consulate and Manila consulate. Both show WP3 required for work Non-B, but not for Teaching for which there are other requirements. http://www.thai-consulate.org.hk/web/3015.php?s=4262 https://www.thaiembassymnl.ph/images/ThaiVisaRequirementListUPDATED2020.pdf Why would London be any different??? London is not following the MFA emergency guidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oompie69 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 On 10/14/2020 at 6:43 AM, stubuzz said: From the RTE London website. https://london.thaiembassy.org/en/publicservice/119247-requirements-for-certificate-of-entry-during-travel-restriction?page=5d6636cd15e39c3bd00072dd&menu=5f4b6eb3f6ae4b236972c562#3 No.3 might be a game changer IF ......... "or a copy of a letter of permission to work in Thailand from a Thai government agency includes the Ministry of Education. Because, if the Ministry of Education has approved the school employing then teacher and the Ministry of Education qualifies as one such government agency then this should circumvent the Labour Office route. Anyone on here able to get this clarified by the MFA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubuzz Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 12 hours ago, oompie69 said: No.3 might be a game changer IF ......... "or a copy of a letter of permission to work in Thailand from a Thai government agency includes the Ministry of Education. Because, if the Ministry of Education has approved the school employing then teacher and the Ministry of Education qualifies as one such government agency then this should circumvent the Labour Office route. Anyone on here able to get this clarified by the MFA? The MOE will not issue a letter. I have my name on a spreadsheet from the MOE approving me but it is just a word document with no official stamp or names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubuzz Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 The London Embassy has replied regarding the WP3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slip Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Also from London: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubuzz Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 I am not surprised, but It would seem that is no consistency in their advice. I think your school needs to contact the MoE not the MFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oompie69 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 5 hours ago, stubuzz said: The MOE will not issue a letter. I have my name on a spreadsheet from the MOE approving me but it is just a word document with no official stamp or names. The point I was trying to make was the following requirement: A copy of WP3 or letter of permission to work from a Thai government agency (your employer/company in Thailand has to seek this permission from the Thai authorities). If your school has received permission from the Ministry of Education to employ you, could this not be used in place of the WP 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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