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Pretty funny guys, I get that you hate trump, but that doesnt make this story any less true.   https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-da

Poor Trump.  First his bogus "unmasking" investigation--using taxpayer money no less--and that he's been spouting about for months, found absolutely nothing.  Then his Russian propaganda on Hunter Bid

Says honest Donald!

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18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

They said "nothing to add at this time". So that doesn't leave open the possibility that at a later time they will? You know, like maybe the reports that they are conducting an investigation are true but the investigation isn't yet finished?

Exactly my point. 

 

Since the FBI has the drives, serial numbers, and all the meta data, they will know if it's real or not. No Schroedinger's cat here. Meta data can independently authenticate each email, when it was sent, by whom, and whether it has it been altered using encrypted keys.

 

So the only question is, what would they do it it were real? Since it would represent possibly the greatest constitutional crisis is US history, they may choose move slowly and carefully.

 

And it it is fake, even one email, How would they proceed? Do you think they dare wait for the election?

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5 minutes ago, rabas said:

Exactly my point. 

 

Since the FBI has the drives, serial numbers, and all the meta data, they will know if it's real or not. No Schroedinger's cat here. Meta data can independently authenticate each email, when it was sent, by whom, and whether it has it been altered using encrypted keys.

 

So the only question is, what would they do it it were real? Since it would represent possibly the greatest constitutional crisis is US history, they may choose move slowly and carefully.

 

And it it is fake, even one email, How would they proceed? Do you think they dare wait for the election?

There are a number of ‘Constitutional Crisis’ on the horizon, none of the rooted in this transparent smear campaign.

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8 minutes ago, rabas said:

Exactly my point. 

 

Since the FBI has the drives, serial numbers, and all the meta data, they will know if it's real or not. No Schroedinger's cat here. Meta data can independently authenticate each email, when it was sent, by whom, and whether it has it been altered using encrypted keys.

 

So the only question is, what would they do it it were real? Since it would represent possibly the greatest constitutional crisis is US history, they may choose move slowly and carefully.

 

And it it is fake, even one email, How would they proceed? Do you think they dare wait for the election?

If I understand well, your point is that:

- if true, Barr would not disclose it for fear it would harm Biden,

- if fake, Barr would release it, which would hel Biden.

 

Is it just me, or is there something illogical about it?

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2 minutes ago, rabas said:

Exactly my point. 

 

Since the FBI has the drives, serial numbers, and all the meta data, they will know if it's real or not. No Schroedinger's cat here. Meta data can independently authenticate each email, when it was sent, by whom, and whether it has it been altered using encrypted keys.

 

So the only question is, what would they do it it were real? Since it would represent possibly the greatest constitutional crisis is US history, they may choose move slowly and carefully.

 

And it it is fake, even one email, How would they proceed? Do you think they dare wait for the election?

If it's such an easy thing to do, then why hasn't Rudolph Giuliani released all the data so it can be done quickly and independently"

How many documents are there? It may be simple to do but it may also be time-consuming.

And as for government's good faith in such matters...remember when William Barr was making ominous hints about the Durham investigation? 

 

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1 minute ago, candide said:

If I understand well, your point is that:

- if true, Barr would not disclose it for fear it would harm Biden,

- if fake, Barr would release it, which would hel Biden.

 

Is it just me, or is there something illogical about it?

I think its you. I did not mention Barr, I discussed the intelligence agencies and their director Ratcliffe, and, you have copied my logic backwards.

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3 hours ago, simple1 said:

My understanding is there is allegedly a mix of real and false content on the HD/s, until forensic examination is completed I'll take it all with a ton of salt. trump has blocked all forensic examination of his personal business and family matters, not a whisper of concern from trump supporters / repub politicians, although they have a long track record of highly questionable business dealing and malfeasance, even with charities monies. The email you refer to, I assume no criminality has been confirmed. Even so the environment is so toxic, IMO current US political space has been ruined by trump. In the meantime trump and family malfeasance is conveniently being shrouded in a massive maze of denial / defection generated by trump and his enablers.

I would like to know where you "understanding" comes from that there is a "mix of real and false content on the HD/s" Can you tell me where you read that? Do you have a link or source? I have not read that anywhere that a claim is made that false content was on the hard drive. I think that if a claim is being made that there is false content by anyone that is someone attempting to put the entire content into question. again please provide your source.

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3 hours ago, Sujo said:

You do understand the email he discusses is when biden was not in office. It was when trump was in office. Biden was free to deal as he wished.

Which leads to the question Trump's fans are safely avoiding. In case this laptop story were true, which crime would Joe Biden have committed?

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3 hours ago, heybruce said:

Everything in my post was true.  You have posted nothing to refute it.

 

Now you are implying that the DOJ, under a Trump sycophant appointee, withheld evidence pertinent to the impeachment hearings that would have aided Trump.  You really come across across as being off the deep end.

I am implying specifically that the some people at the FBI may have purposefully withheld information that was on the Hard drive from members of Congress during the Impeachment hearing. I say that because the FBI was in possession of the hard drive during the impeachment hearing. There is no question of that.  Therefore knowing that, I think it is a reasonable question to ask of the FBI as to why they did not release information to the Congress. Wouldn't you agree? Wouldn't you want to ask the FBI director why that is?

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10 minutes ago, rabas said:

I think its you. I did not mention Barr, I discussed the intelligence agencies and their director Ratcliffe, and, you have copied my logic backwards.

Within the U.S. Department of Justice, the FBI is responsible to the attorney general, and it reports its findings to U.S. Attorneys across the country. The FBI’s intelligence activities are overseen by the Director of National Intelligence.

Wether it's about Barr or Radcliffe, it is illogical to think that they would make a decision to withhold or not hold information by considering Biden's best interest.

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3 minutes ago, candide said:

Which leads to the question Trump's fans are safely avoiding. In case this laptop story were true, which crime would Joe Biden have committed?

A (1) reasonable question to ask is when did these deals get put together in China, even if these email detail a deal and the dates are after his time in office, when did the deals get put together. It would seem that would be while Biden was in office as that would be when Hunter originally went to China with his Father. A reasonable question? (2) Concerning Ukraine, were there similar arrangements as to money splits for the "big guy"? and also for other Countries involved here as well. Reasonable questions.

 

Even if all of the China dealings are proved to have taken place after Biden leaving office it is troubling to me, as he is running for President and appears to have recently made deals for a lot of money in China, and I want to know.  Reasonable also I think.

 

As for the crime committed - no questions are being avoided, in fact many questions are being asked. I await Biden to answer them instead of hiding away from the press and refusing to answer. Let's start with were you aware of Hunter's business in Ukraine. Did you in fact meet with officials from Burisma? Did you make any money on the deal? Did you know of your son's business, he has previously said he has no idea what his son was doing. I doubt that.

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7 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

I am implying specifically that the some people at the FBI may have purposefully withheld information that was on the Hard drive from members of Congress during the Impeachment hearing. I say that because the FBI was in possession of the hard drive during the impeachment hearing. There is no question of that.  Therefore knowing that, I think it is a reasonable question to ask of the FBI as to why they did not release information to the Congress. Wouldn't you agree? Wouldn't you want to ask the FBI director why that is?

Well, if that's the case, why hasn't William Barr asked? Maybe because he doesn't want to know the answer? Or are you suggesting that Barr is complicit in protecting Hunter Biden?

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1 hour ago, Sujo said:

Who said they denied it. They refused to admit it.

 

Refusal to deny is not an admission of agreement.

 

Note they said they have nothing to add, so they have no evidence as to the veracity of the claim. Yet some here think they do.

That is some clever wordplay.

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5 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

A (1) reasonable question to ask is when did these deals get put together in China, even if these email detail a deal and the dates are after his time in office, when did the deals get put together. It would seem that would be while Biden was in office as that would be when Hunter originally went to China with his Father. A reasonable question? (2) Concerning Ukraine, were there similar arrangements as to money splits for the "big guy"? and also for other Countries involved here as well. Reasonable questions.

 

Even if all of the China dealings are proved to have taken place after Biden leaving office it is troubling to me, as he is running for President and appears to have recently made deals for a lot of money in China, and I want to know.  Reasonable also I think.

 

As for the crime committed - no questions are being avoided, in fact many questions are being asked. I await Biden to answer them instead of hiding away from the press and refusing to answer. Let's start with were you aware of Hunter's business in Ukraine. Did you in fact meet with officials from Burisma? Did you make any money on the deal? Did you know of your son's business, he has previously said he has no idea what his son was doing. I doubt that.

Unless and until the legitimacy of that  hard disk drive and its contents are confirmed, neither Biden should have to answer anything. 

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