Popular Post Tippaporn Posted October 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, simple1 said: trump has accused the Biden family of criminality, without any evidence presented. Every day trump is practising 'abuse of power' without any repercussion whatsoever; IMO there are serious flaws within the US judicial system that enables seriously corrupt activities by a President. One hopes when Biden achieves power he will insist on legislation to stop such activity. So far there has not been forensically proven evidence presented in the public domain to support accusations against the two Biden's, only partisan opinion. If innocent, the Biden campaign could be seriously damaged. The FBI IT forensic team must confirm one way or the other, in the next day or so, the credibility of the data from the laptop/s. If proven to be fraudulent trump should, at the very least, immediately fire Giuliani. The line that no evidence of Biden corruption exists is beyond the pale. That the truth continues to be denied is beyond comprehension. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 18 minutes ago, Sujo said: I doubt very much the fbi will say one way or the other this close to an election. They learnt their lesson last time. As it stands, its nothing to do with Joe anyway. This is my concern, leaving the issue hanging in the air could be very damaging to Biden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, Sujo said: I doubt very much the fbi will say one way or the other this close to an election. They learnt their lesson last time. As it stands, its nothing to do with Joe anyway. lol They share the same last name ! That's everything to do with pop,he admitted he would of never got these ties if it wasn't his fathers last name ! Nice try! https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/hunter-biden-defends-foreign-business-dealings-admits-poor-judgment-n1066201 Also Shoe on the other foot ! Trumps kids would be trashed if... Stay tuned! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 18 minutes ago, Sujo said: I doubt very much the fbi will say one way or the other this close to an election. They learnt their lesson last time. As it stands, its nothing to do with Joe anyway. I disagree. If improper financial entanglements with China exist then Joe is a national security risk (same argument made by the left regarding Trump's ties to Russia, so please, the left can't deny this point). Are you then suggesting that we shouldn't find out this all-important truth until after the election? That would be absolutely backwards logic. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post simple1 Posted October 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: The line that no evidence of Biden corruption exists is beyond the pale. That the truth continues to be denied is beyond comprehension. You keep making assertions without any forensic proof / verified facts from judicial authorities. IMO it is beyond comprehension why are continually able to post opinion posing as fact. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sujo Posted October 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: I disagree. If improper financial entanglements with China exist then Joe is a national security risk (same argument made by the left regarding Trump's ties to Russia, so please, the left can't deny this point). Are you then suggesting that we shouldn't find out this all-important truth until after the election? That would be absolutely backwards logic. Like trumps secret china accounts? Your argument is the reason trump must release his tax. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damual Travesty Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Hopefully this article from the NY Post which is the source for all of this story will not be censored. There is now a gentleman by the name of Tony Bobulinski a former business partner of Hunter Biden who claims to have additional information regarding Biden and dealings with China. His full complete statement to the Newspaper is included: https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biz-partner-confirms-e-mail-details-joe-bidens-push-to-make-millions-from-china/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, riclag said: lol They share the same last name ! That's everything to do with pop,he admitted he would of never got these ties if it wasn't his fathers last name ! Nice try! https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/hunter-biden-defends-foreign-business-dealings-admits-poor-judgment-n1066201 Also Shoe on the other foot ! Trumps kids would be trashed if... Stay tuned! What do you mean, if. Ivankas chinese trademarks ring a bell? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 33 minutes ago, simple1 said: Vetted; does that mean data forensically examined by independent IT specialists? If not the 'vetting' is without worth. Vetting, as in verifying as true at least some of the information contained in the hard drives. Enough to be reasonably satisfied that the contents are valid and legit. If you mean to suggest that the only true means of vetting would be forensic analysis of the data then I and a whole lot of other folks would beg to differ. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Damual Travesty Posted October 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, simple1 said: You keep making assertions without any forensic proof / verified facts from judicial authorities. IMO it is beyond comprehension why are continually able to post opinion posing as fact. The laptop is in custody of the FBI. Those who were included in emails have authenticated that they did indeed receive email at the time and date from Hunter Biden, so they are real. Here is an additional statement concerning Biden dealings with China which comes from former business partner. His statement to the paper is his first hand account and included in its entirety. https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biz-partner-confirms-e-mail-details-joe-bidens-push-to-make-millions-from-china/ 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Tippaporn said: Vetting, as in verifying as true at least some of the information contained in the hard drives. Enough to be reasonably satisfied that the contents are valid and legit. If you mean to suggest that the only true means of vetting would be forensic analysis of the data then I and a whole lot of other folks would beg to differ. Forensic analysis to verify the source of the data / hacking, which in this case is crucially important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Damual Travesty Posted October 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2020 47 minutes ago, simple1 said: trump has accused the Biden family of criminality, without any evidence presented. Every day trump is practising 'abuse of power' without any repercussion whatsoever; IMO there are serious flaws within the US judicial system that enables seriously corrupt activities by a President. One hopes when Biden achieves power he will insist on legislation to stop such activity. So far there has not been forensically proven evidence presented in the public domain to support accusations against the two Biden's, only partisan opinion. If innocent, the Biden campaign could be seriously damaged. The FBI IT forensic team must confirm one way or the other, in the next day or so, the credibility of the data from the laptop/s. If proven to be fraudulent trump should, at the very least, immediately fire Giuliani. How can you say "without any evidence presented"? Are you serious? Listen, I am not going to argue this with you folks any more. In a few days you will forget all that you said and move on to your next assignments. I said earlier, I expect Joe Biden to resign as candidate soon. Wait and find out. To this 62 year old American, this is without doubt a far bigger scandal then was Watergate. I am disgusted. I see no vast conspiracy. I see corruption. It's not fake. Say what you may. There is simply too much piling up here. The honourable thing for Biden handlers to do at this point would be to convince their candidate to bow out. I am not sure what would happen next in that event, but for the good of the USA the Democrat party should start thinking about that option right now. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said: Hopefully this article from the NY Post which is the source for all of this story will not be censored. There is now a gentleman by the name of Tony Bobulinski a former business partner of Hunter Biden who claims to have additional information regarding Biden and dealings with China. His full complete statement to the Newspaper is included: https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biz-partner-confirms-e-mail-details-joe-bidens-push-to-make-millions-from-china/ From the article... while the date on the May 2017 e-mail would be nearly four months after Biden left the White House, it’s not known when discussions among the partners and with the Chinese first began. Certainly they started before the e-mail. And while such deals would be legal for Joe Biden when he left government service... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 16 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said: Hopefully this article from the NY Post which is the source for all of this story will not be censored. There is now a gentleman by the name of Tony Bobulinski a former business partner of Hunter Biden who claims to have additional information regarding Biden and dealings with China. His full complete statement to the Newspaper is included: https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biz-partner-confirms-e-mail-details-joe-bidens-push-to-make-millions-from-china/ You do understand the email he discusses is when biden was not in office. It was when trump was in office. Biden was free to deal as he wished. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damual Travesty Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, simple1 said: From the article... while the date on the May 2017 e-mail would be nearly four months after Biden left the White House, it’s not known when discussions among the partners and with the Chinese first began. Certainly they started before the e-mail. And while such deals would be legal for Joe Biden when he left government service... "Certainly they started before the email" let that sink in. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said: How can you say "without any evidence presented"? Are you serious? Listen, I am not going to argue this with you folks any more. In a few days you will forget all that you said and move on to your next assignments. I said earlier, I expect Joe Biden to resign as candidate soon. Wait and find out. To this 62 year old American, this is without doubt a far bigger scandal then was Watergate. I am disgusted. I see no vast conspiracy. I see corruption. It's not fake. Say what you may. There is simply too much piling up here. The honourable thing for Biden handlers to do at this point would be to convince their candidate to bow out. I am not sure what would happen next in that event, but for the good of the USA the Democrat party should start thinking about that option right now. What are you on about. Biden wasnt even in office at the time of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 19 minutes ago, simple1 said: 25 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: The line that no evidence of Biden corruption exists is beyond the pale. That the truth continues to be denied is beyond comprehension. You keep making assertions without any forensic proof / verified facts from judicial authorities. IMO it is beyond comprehension why are continually able to post opinion posing as fact. Those are strong accusatory words, simple1. Here's my interpretation of your post: I, simple1, declare that the contents of the Hunter Biden hard drives cannot be validated by any means other than forensic analysis of each and every file. Furthermore, I, simple1, declare that any opinion other than mine is merely opinion stated as fact and someone should do something about it. Chew on this fact. One of the recipients of a Hunter email has verified that email. How? He was a recipient and therefore has an identical copy of it. So answer this question? Why would you need forensic analysis of Biden's email when it has been verified by other means? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Damual Travesty Posted October 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Sujo said: You do understand the email he discusses is when biden was not in office. It was when trump was in office. Biden was free to deal as he wished. You do understand that the question would be "when did the deal begin" along with how many other deals were there, and then a look back at Ukraine etc. Look you guys can keep this up all you want, as they say the truth will come to light. A bit more every day. I am quite confident in that. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damual Travesty Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sujo said: What are you on about. Biden wasnt even in office at the time of this. Please, when do you think this deal began to be put in place? And no other deals? and Ukraine also has an email trail. As I said, the truth is going to come out. Let's see where it leads. We have no bearing on the facts with our discussion. What is - will all come to light - just as it has been slowly coming to light for the last four years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted October 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2020 31 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: The line that no evidence of Biden corruption exists is beyond the pale. That the truth continues to be denied is beyond comprehension. Well, a Republican led Senate investigation could not find evidence of Biden corruption. What do you know that they don't? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Tippaporn said: Of course this story is not getting any traction with the MSM, which are most likely the only sources of information you find 'believable.' This story is radioactive for them since if true it would utterly destroy Biden's bid for president (remember, if Biden Sr. is tied financially or otherwise to countries such as Ukraine and especially China then he becomes a national security risk - the same rationale used by the left to explain how Trump Russian collusion would constitute a national security risk on the part of Trump). Explain this away as misinformation or excuse by any other creative, inventive rationale: Fox News - Laptop connected to Hunter Biden linked to FBI money laundering probe Ok, so a laptop "connected to", but not definitely proven to belong to, Hunter Biden has been "linked to", in an unclear capacity, an FBI money laundering probe. Are you aware that Trump is connected to several convicted felons? Heck, Jared Kushner's father is a convicted felon. If you extend the "connected to" with a "linked to" one could waste a life time counting criminal acts. Why not wait until the investigation is over before assuming guilt? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said: You do understand that the question would be "when did the deal begin" along with how many other deals were there, and then a look back at Ukraine etc. Look you guys can keep this up all you want, as they say the truth will come to light. A bit more every day. I am quite confident in that. Im happy for you. So wait for those facts because at the moment its nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Damual Travesty Posted October 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: Those are strong accusatory words, simple1. Here's my interpretation of your post: I, simple1, declare that the contents of the Hunter Biden hard drives cannot be validated by any means other than forensic analysis of each and every file. Furthermore, I, simple1, declare that any opinion other than mine is merely opinion stated as fact and someone should do something about it. Chew on this fact. One of the recipients of a Hunter email has verified that email. How? He was a recipient and therefore has an identical copy of it. So answer this question? Why would you need forensic analysis of Biden's email when it has been verified by other means? I think it needs to be said that there are some arguing here who have stated on this very board that the reason they are arguing incessantly against Donald J Trump is that they are opposed to policy in Australia with regard to China and they believe that Donald Trump is an aid to such policy. I am not making that up. It has been previously stated. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 24 minutes ago, Sujo said: 30 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: I disagree. If improper financial entanglements with China exist then Joe is a national security risk (same argument made by the left regarding Trump's ties to Russia, so please, the left can't deny this point). Are you then suggesting that we shouldn't find out this all-important truth until after the election? That would be absolutely backwards logic. Like trumps secret china accounts? Your argument is the reason trump must release his tax. Again, not getting sidetracked by your attempt to move the focus from Biden to Trump and derail it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Damual Travesty Posted October 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, heybruce said: Well, a Republican led Senate investigation could not find evidence of Biden corruption. What do you know that they don't? That is not true. What they found was sent to the DOJ. As far as why the DOJ has not moved or why the FBI would hang on to a lap top like this without even informing the congress during an impeachment - well those are additional questions. And as far as corruption. See the latest here, its not just the laptop anymore: https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biz-partner-confirms-e-mail-details-joe-bidens-push-to-make-millions-from-china/ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said: I think it needs to be said that there are some arguing here who have stated on this very board that the reason they are arguing incessantly against Donald J Trump is that they are opposed to policy in Australia with regard to China and they believe that Donald Trump is an aid to such policy. I am not making that up. It has been previously stated. Have a link please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted October 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Damual Travesty said: That is not true. What they found was sent to the DOJ. As far as why the DOJ has not moved or why the FBI would hang on to a lap top like this without even informing the congress during an impeachment - well those are additional questions. And as far as corruption. See the latest here, its not just the laptop anymore: https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-biz-partner-confirms-e-mail-details-joe-bidens-push-to-make-millions-from-china/ Don't accept claims as facts please. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damual Travesty Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Additionally, no one here has mentioned what they think of a sitting Congressman and on the House Intel Committee Adam Schiff going on national TV to say that this laptop story is part of a Russian dis-information campaign, only to have the DNI (who is his source of intelligence on the committee) to follow him on national TV and accuse him of fabrication. The DNI was then backed up by both the CIA and FBI. This is all rather strange don't you think? That a sitting Congressman would make such a claim? A complete lie? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted October 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2020 People are having fits arguing that a claim of dubious origins must be true and prove....what? The original NY Post article wrote that a Burisma board member wrote an email to Hunter Biden with the sentence: "“Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent [sic] some time together. It’s realty [sic] an honor and pleasure,” the email reads." That's it. There is no proof of a meeting. If a meeting did happen, there is no proof that VP Biden was motivated to change US policy to Ukraine (or anything else) by the meeting. If all the speculation is true (a big "if") then it means a meeting that Joe Biden forgot about led to nothing. So what? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said: I think it needs to be said that there are some arguing here who have stated on this very board that the reason they are arguing incessantly against Donald J Trump is that they are opposed to policy in Australia with regard to China and they believe that Donald Trump is an aid to such policy. I am not making that up. It has been previously stated. The laughing emoji isn't good enough for this post. Once again I must ask "So what?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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