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Not like a regular flu at all. They want masks and distancing to be permanent. None of that happened for regular flu or any other diseases, far as I know. I'm happy to go back to life as pre coro

eventually, everyone will copy sweden and move on as it was a year ago, but its bitter and humiliating for politicians around the world to admit they committed high treason on their own coun

Not to mention that they have destroyed their countries' already fragile economies, that will need years to recover, if ever...

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On 10/16/2020 at 6:01 AM, simon43 said:

I live in Laos.  Life returned to normal many months ago, because we've not had a single Covid death in the country and only 20 cases - now all recovered.

 

No rules now to wear masks etc, but many people (including myself) put on a mask before entering a shop or when in close contact with others. (I consider it worthwhile to minimise the spread of any airborne pathogen). The main downside to this pandemic has been the loss of foreign tourists in my town, which has led to the closure of many businesses. 

 

It's still difficult to enter/leave the country.  I hope that when (if?) tourists return to Laos, that we do not have any new outbreaks of this disease.

to say there are no covid cases in laos is kind of silly. none reported, sure, but none?

Laos got off easy because Thailand and other surrounding countries shut the borders. 

be interesting to see what happens when traffic returns.

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A Toronto immunologist has weighed in comparing the China (sheesh! grow up!) flu with the 'Spanish' flu. There was never a vaccine for that one, either. First wave: Spring 1918; second wave Fall 1918 (far more widespread & deadly), so far seems to correspond to Covid. January 1919 was the third wave, followed by a smaller & localised fourth wave until the flu mutated & weakened by April 2020. Scientists tell us a weaker variety of that 1918 flu is still with us.

 

We modernes live on snippets, sound bites & cameos. 10 months, give or take, in, feels like a lifetime. But we have a way to go yet. Hopefully, Covid will weaken and go away. That's what I'm counting on.

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1 hour ago, PatrickC said:

Nope - we'll get on with our lives now, thank you very much. Thanks for the suggestion - we're happy to ignore it though.

Oh..but you are not able to ignore it.Tried to get on a plane and fly to Thailand recently-or the reverse?

 

Ignorance is bliss especially if you are from Ozarkville..USA.

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36 minutes ago, PatrickC said:

 

I flew into Thailand recently, yes.

 

I'm aware of course aware of the insanely sensationalist reactions to what is just a part of the every day cycle of life and death, and has been blown out of all proportion. Unfortunately, one can't not be aware of it.

 

However, we can get on with life. I don't read any covid news. I couldn't give a monkeys about it, frankly. I prefer to keep a healthy mind and not read the hysteria.

 

If you want to obsess about it, read about it every day, go ahead. It is though an utterly boring topic of no real importance. 

 

No idea what the Ozarkville reference means.

You flew into Thailand recently?

 

How was the difficult medical clearances and the two week quarantine?

 

Surely you did notice those and they had some impact (albeit minimal) on your heroic views of life..?

 

In short you just couldn't waltz along (in your Libertarian way) when you wanted to shouting "freedom,freedom..glory hallelujah?'

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2 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

A Toronto immunologist has weighed in comparing the China (sheesh! grow up!) flu with the 'Spanish' flu. There was never a vaccine for that one, either. First wave: Spring 1918; second wave Fall 1918 (far more widespread & deadly), so far seems to correspond to Covid. January 1919 was the third wave, followed by a smaller & localised fourth wave until the flu mutated & weakened by April 2020. Scientists tell us a weaker variety of that 1918 flu is still with us.

 

We modernes live on snippets, sound bites & cameos. 10 months, give or take, in, feels like a lifetime. But we have a way to go yet. Hopefully, Covid will weaken and go away. That's what I'm counting on.

There are parrallels but Covid-19 is not a flu.

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17 hours ago, Jingthing said:

 

 

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17 hours ago, placnx said:

I saw a BBC World News Global Questions discussion last weekend in which two experts, one - chief scientist of WHO, the other - Sunetra Gupta, an Oxford epidemiologist and an author of the Great Barrington Declaration, debated the concept proposed by the latter - to isolate vulnerable people and let the young go about their lives.

 

In light of emerging evidence that, after infection, immunity may not be long lasting and that we are still discovering the long-term debilitating complications of Covid, even on the young, it is extremely irresponsible of Gupta to present "herd immunity" by mass infection as a viable solution and to suggest that lockdown is the only alternative. Obviously there are many possibilities short of lockdown, as has been demonstrated very well where rapid testing was deployed early on.

 

FYI This is the Great Barrington Declaration: https://gbdeclaration.org/

 

Yes I certainly agree that there other approaches other than "total lockdown forever" and letting the virus run through the population unchecked. This entire herd immunity without a vaccine needs to be totally crushed. Its basically mass murder,  it would be impossible to effectively shield the high risk population, and it also won't work as well as the vaccine path.

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The Great Barrington Declaration was answered by a correspondence by 31 authors in The Lancet four days ago:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32153-X/fulltext

"Scientific consensus on the COVID-19 pandemic: we need to act now"

This substantiates with detailed references what Jingthing has been explaining. It refutes the "herd immunity" proposal in the Great Barrington Declaration: "This is a dangerous fallacy unsupported by scientific evidence." It warns of the severe consequences that would result from following Barrington.

"We cannot afford distractions that undermine an effective response; it is essential that we act urgently based on the evidence. To support this call for action, sign the John Snow Memorandum."

This memorandum is in fact the text from The Lancet (see above).

https://www.johnsnowmemo.com/sign.html

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1 hour ago, PatrickC said:

 

<snip> I've no interest in politics - all politicians are the same, just in it for themselves.

Probably the truest words spoken on this or any other forum in a long time!  👍

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21 hours ago, Nout said:

Flu is permanent. It hasn't gone away.  Covid will never go away.  TB hasn't gone away neither will Covid.

 

   Correct . 

     Next generation of Pneumonia , as it adapts/ reacts to antibiotics .

    Covid 20 .. Nature wins ...

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12 hours ago, PatrickC said:

 

I flew into Thailand recently, yes.

 

I'm aware of course aware of the insanely sensationalist reactions to what is just a part of the every day cycle of life and death, and has been blown out of all proportion. Unfortunately, one can't not be aware of it.

 

However, we can get on with life. I don't read any covid news. I couldn't give a monkeys about it, frankly. I prefer to keep a healthy mind and not read the hysteria.

 

If you want to obsess about it, read about it every day, go ahead. It is though an utterly boring topic of no real importance. 

 

No idea what the Ozarkville reference means.

Ostrich and head in sand come to mind.  If you don't read what's going on, you have NO idea.  Just like your comment that CV19 isn't highly contagious.  It is.

 

This was your post, and it's wrong.  But you wouldn't know it because you are trying to ignore this pandemic.  Sad.

 

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This disease is infectious, but not massively infectious.

 

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9 hours ago, PatrickC said:

 

Correct - recently.


The medical clearances were a nuisance, but do-able. The 2 week quarantine was boring, but also do-able. Not sure what the point is?

 

Life goes on. 

 

What makes you assume I am a libertarian? I'm neither left wing, ring wing, libertarian or any other label. I've no interest in politics - all politicians are the same, just in it for themselves.

Life goes on?  Thousands can't get back to their homes here in Thailand.  For a variety of reasons.  Thousands of us are stuck here because if we leave, getting back in is difficult and expensive.  An expense some can't afford.

 

Hard to live life normally right now.  I do like your comment about politicians.  Sad so many believe what they say.  Stick with the science and you'll be OK.

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On 10/18/2020 at 5:52 PM, PatrickC said:

However, we can get on with life. I don't read any covid news. I couldn't give a monkeys about it, frankly. I prefer to keep a healthy mind and not read the hysteria.

insuspect what people are taking an issue with is that you seem to have an opinion re covid yet repeatedly deny that it is based on any external sources.

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13 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Life goes on?  Thousands can't get back to their homes here in Thailand.  For a variety of reasons.  Thousands of us are stuck here because if we leave, getting back in is difficult and expensive.  An expense some can't afford.

 

Hard to live life normally right now.  I do like your comment about politicians.  Sad so many believe what they say.  Stick with the science and you'll be OK.

 

then there are those of us whose life hasn't changed much. work continues apace wherever we have our laptops and we plug on doing what we do. the only difference is i haven't been able to visit folks in neighboring countries.

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4 minutes ago, PatrickC said:

 

Doubt that. In 2 years this will all be a distant memory. 

No need to get hysterical and claim we're killing grannies. We're not. Calm down.

You're obviously wrong. People that survive this will remember this pandemic for the rest of their lives, similar to the 1918 American flu. As far as killing grannies if the anti science fascists succeed in widely adopting herd immunity without a vaccine succeed with that, sorry, that is killing grannies and many others as well. 

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