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Not like a regular flu at all. They want masks and distancing to be permanent. None of that happened for regular flu or any other diseases, far as I know. I'm happy to go back to life as pre coro

eventually, everyone will copy sweden and move on as it was a year ago, but its bitter and humiliating for politicians around the world to admit they committed high treason on their own coun

Not to mention that they have destroyed their countries' already fragile economies, that will need years to recover, if ever...

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9 hours ago, VBF said:

I'm not...hence my comment "Therefore as I've said before....let the vulnerable and / or cautious people isolate voluntarily and the rest of us get on with life." I've never suggested forcing anyone to do anything with which they're uncomfortable  - let's just have freedom of choice for all.

Why not buckle down for 2 weeks and let EVERYBODY get on with their life? 

 

Sure, the vast majority of deaths are elderly or the sick.  But many young, healthy people are dying and suffering potentially life long consequences also. 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/18/health/long-term-effects-young-people-covid-wellness/index.html

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/young-people-are-risk-severe-covid-19-illness-n1240761

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13 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Look.

Let's get real. 

At this point Thailand doesn't need to do any Covid-19 lockdowns and hopefully never will have to.

Indeed the WHO has adjusted its guidance on lockdowns suggesting they should be reserved only for very severe situations. 

I happen to agree with the current WHO guidance.

But as we wait for a safe and effective vaccine to both exist and be widely used mitigation efforts will continue to be needed.

Masks,  social distancing, limiting crowd sizes particularly inside. Focusing on any outbreak areas with mass testing and forced isolation of the infected.

Not really too much to ask!

Opening up totally now without mitigation measures before wide adoption of a vaccine is massively irresponsible. 

I was looking at the protests in Bkk on tv and not much "social distancing" or "limiting crowd size" going on.

IMO people only comply with the dictat as long as it's not inconvenient.

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2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I was looking at the protests in Bkk on tv and not much "social distancing" or "limiting crowd size" going on.

IMO people only comply with the dictat as long as it's not inconvenient.

Outside is safer than inside. Were they wearing masks?

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4 hours ago, sezze said:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

 

I've took US data , since many look at those numbers before , i can find plenty from other countries also .

You just lucky if you haven't met a lot of persons with covid yet .

About 5 million lucky people in NZ then. Not many infected so not many will have met an infected person.

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-current-cases

 

Number of confirmed and probable cases 1,912  
Number of recovered cases 1,831
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4 hours ago, PatrickC said:

 

Already tried this earlier in the year. It failed. Time to move on.

Failed?  Where?  Worked out great here in Thailand.  Failed in the USA because they never did it.

 

You need to read better news sources.  You've said you don't read the news and it shows.

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just as precipitation, drought, fire, flood, hot and cold,

has been, are, and will be part of nature,

so too will death be part of life.

 

So far, sweden has not filled its yearly quota of deaths,

as to not be flooded by pensioners,

and it doesnt look like this year is going to be different from any other year, its biology.

the drama queens screaming murder are taking statistics out of context,

no different from the modus operandi of climate change influencers.

interestingly they are also using the same ad hominem attacks on 'deniers',

like fascists and denialists as a special reference to holy coast,

which may indicate its the same group

behind both campaigns

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/

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19 minutes ago, scammed said:

just as precipitation, drought, fire, flood, hot and cold,

has been, are, and will be part of nature,

so too will death be part of life.

 

So far, sweden has not filled its yearly quota of deaths,

as to not be flooded by pensioners,

and it doesnt look like this year is going to be different from any other year, its biology.

the drama queens screaming murder are taking statistics out of context,

no different from the modus operandi of climate change influencers.

interestingly they are also using the same ad hominem attacks on 'deniers',

like fascists and denialists as a special reference to holy coast,

which may indicate its the same group

behind both campaigns

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/

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Here are the statistics you need to be looking at. Compare Sweden with its immediate neighbours. From the same source as yours.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102257/cumulative-coronavirus-cases-in-the-nordics/

 

Sweden:   Cumulative Covid cases 96K      Cumulative Covid deaths 5.9k

 

Norway:   Cumulative Covid cases  13k     Cumulative Covid deaths 267

 

Denmark: Cumulative Covid cases  30k     Cumulative Covid deaths 643

 

Finland:   Cumulative Covid cases   10k    Cumulative Covid deaths 346

 

 

 

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So-called lockdowns are only necessary when the coronavirus is allowed to spread fast and widely because other preventive measures like mask-wearing and social distancing are not widely followed.

 

If people let down on mask wearing and social distancing, the CV situation will get worse and governments will be forced to escalate things to lockdowns. It's the best argument I know for continuing mask wear and social distancing, because those things help avoid lockdowns.

 

Also, it's not that the lockdowns themselves failed. They're only effective for as long as they're maintained, and as long as the public abides by those rules. Once you let up on any of the above, the virus is going to do what it does if left unchecked.... SPREAD!

 

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10 minutes ago, PatrickC said:

 

And unless you're China, keeping lockdowns in place and enforcing them is impossible. We're simply not made for it. So time to move on and live with covid. 

Worked well in Thailand.

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31 minutes ago, PatrickC said:

 

And unless you're China, keeping lockdowns in place and enforcing them is impossible. We're simply not made for it. So time to move on and live with covid. 

 

You're conveniently (and probably intentionally) ignoring the fact that widespread use of masks and social distancing is generally going to prevent significant spread of the virus...

 

But when you talk about "move on and live", you appear to be meaning that the public at large should just do nothing in the way of precautions and let the virus rip into anyone and everyone it can attach itself to.

 

It's a convenient and false strawman argument that virus skeptics are and have been using.... while the world's CV virus case and fatalities tally keeps rising.

 

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