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Not like a regular flu at all. They want masks and distancing to be permanent. None of that happened for regular flu or any other diseases, far as I know. I'm happy to go back to life as pre coro

eventually, everyone will copy sweden and move on as it was a year ago, but its bitter and humiliating for politicians around the world to admit they committed high treason on their own coun

Not to mention that they have destroyed their countries' already fragile economies, that will need years to recover, if ever...

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26 minutes ago, PatrickC said:

Preventative measures - masks, hand washing, I've no problem with them. They don't ruin economies, so fine. The masks do get into oceans and kill wildlife, a fact conveniently ignored by the "we must protect against covid at all costs" zealots, many who no doubt also claim to be environmentalists, but fine, masks are ok - no objection.

 

It is time to move on. We're done with this lockdown nonsense. Masks - fine. Lockdowns - not ok. Border closures - probably make sense given international air travel spreads it so widely. Time to move on and live life. Stop with the victim mentality!

 

I'm not calling anyone any names, although I did say correctly that your prior arguments resemble those of virus skeptics... And very much resemble those who are opposed to mask wearing and even social distancing...

 

But at least, now that you've clarified you're not, at least that's a more defensible position that correlates to reality and public health agency expertise.

 

 

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On 10/16/2020 at 6:01 AM, simon43 said:

I live in Laos.  Life returned to normal many months ago, because we've not had a single Covid death in the country and only 20 cases - now all recovered.

 

No rules now to wear masks etc, but many people (including myself) put on a mask before entering a shop or when in close contact with others. (I consider it worthwhile to minimise the spread of any airborne pathogen). The main downside to this pandemic has been the loss of foreign tourists in my town, which has led to the closure of many businesses. 

 

It's still difficult to enter/leave the country.  I hope that when (if?) tourists return to Laos, that we do not have any new outbreaks of this disease.

Not true at all. 

 

There has been one patient in hospital for like 6 weeks and today a new case was added. Now it's 24 with 2 active ones. Obviously nothing to be concerned about, but Laos is not covid-free.

 

As far as masks are concerned in Laos - in Luang Prabang where I understand you are, it's mostly small family owned businesses and thus no need to wear a mask. Not sure what the Chinese supermarket does but probably not enforcing it.

 

At the airport and on board flights you'll certainly be asked to wear a mask, and in Vientiane I was told by an international school teacher that her school mandated masks, but not sure if this is still enforced.

 

It is always possible that they will introduce mask rules later, I think the reason it wasn't done (unlike in Vietnam, Myanmar and other countries) is due to the poverty and difficulty with enforcing it (aside from the low number of cases). 

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36 minutes ago, scammed said:

no, its dropping in sweden

 

Tally as in totals, which obviously are continuing to rise for both cases and fatalities at the world level, as I said.

 

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https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

 

But you get the same kind of trend line if you look at the rise in daily reported cases around the world, which more reflects the current and increasing levels/rate of virus spread.


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The Reuters data shows the pace of the pandemic continues to pick up. It took just 32 days to go from 30 million global cases to 40 million, compared with the 38 days it took to get from 20 to 30 million, the 44 days between 10 and 20 million, and the three months it took to reach 10 million cases from when the first cases were reported in Wuhan, China, in early January.

 

Record one-day increases in new infections were seen at the end of last week, with global coronavirus cases rising above 400,000 for the first time.

 

There were an average of around 347,000 cases each day over the past week, compared with 292,000 in the first week of October.

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Tally as in totals, which obviously are continuing to rise for both cases and fatalities at the world level, as I said.

 

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https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

 

But you get the same kind of trend line if you look at the rise in daily reported cases around the world, which more reflects the current and increasing levels/rate of virus spread.


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as einstein would have put it, in a small region of spacetime,

no conceivable experiment can distinguish swedens death toll from achieved herd immunity, this is what one would expect

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After Months of Minimal COVID-19 Containment, Sweden Appears to Be Considering a New Approach

 

Swedish authorities appear to be reconsidering their notoriously lax approach to COVID-19 containment, which has contributed to one of the world’s higher coronavirus death rates.
 

Starting Oct. 19, regional health authorities may direct citizens to avoid high-risk areas such as gyms, concerts, public transportation and shopping centers, the Telegraph reports. They may also encourage residents to avoid socializing with elderly or other high-risk individuals.
 

“It’s more of a lockdown situation—but a local lockdown,” Dr. Johan Nojd, who leads the infectious diseases department in the city of Uppsala, told the Telegraph.

 

https://time.com/5901352/sweden-local-lockdowns/

 

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As White House eyes 'herd immunity,' Sweden's no-mask approach is failing to contain COVID-19

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With infection rates now rising in Sweden — though not to the extremes of countries such as Spain, France, Belgium and the U.K. — the Swedish prime minister himself recently implored his countrymen to stop hugging and kissing their friends, and for youth to stop partying, all factors blamed for the uptick in cases to more than 600 a day, up from around 100 at summer’s end.
 

A country larger than California in size but with a mere 10 million residents, Sweden is the renegade country that’s turned into an internationally observed lab experiment in COVID-19 control. In the early days of the pandemic, the Swedish government was slammed for being reckless, even by Trump — refusing the lockdowns adopted by its Scandinavian neighbors and keeping most everything open, businesses, restaurants and schools (except for students older than 15, whose classes went online).

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With nearly 6,000 deaths — about half of those in its eldercare facilities, where 7 percent of residents have died — the Swedish mortality rate (58.12 per 100,000), adjusted for population, is five times as high as neighboring Denmark’s (11.83 per 100,000), nearly 12 times as high as Norway’s (5.23 per 100,000) and only a little better than the U.S.’s (67.28 per 100,000). The country’s coronavirus infection rate also remains far higher — twice that of Denmark and three times as high as Norway’s, both of which encourage mask use. 

 

 

https://news.yahoo.com/as-white-house-eyes-herd-immunity-swedens-nomask-approach-is-failing-to-contain-covid-19-151813672.html

 

 

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The Reuters data shows the pace of the pandemic continues to pick up. It took just 32 days to go from 30 million global cases to 40 million, compared with the 38 days it took to get from 20 to 30 million, the 44 days between 10 and 20 million, and the three months it took to reach 10 million cases from when the first cases were reported in Wuhan, China, in early January.

 

Record one-day increases in new infections were seen at the end of last week, with global coronavirus cases rising above 400,000 for the first time.

 

There were an average of around 347,000 cases each day over the past week, compared with 292,000 in the first week of October.

 

 

Yet the global daily deaths seems hover around 5,500 deaths for the past 6 months.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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