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53 minutes ago, balo said:

The Spanish flu was  widespread 90 years ago , people still remember it today but they are not afraid of it because the virus disappeared a few years later. 

Same will happen to COVID-19, we will remember it but it will not affect us 10 years from now!  

A variation of the Spanish flu is still with us today

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Not like a regular flu at all. They want masks and distancing to be permanent. None of that happened for regular flu or any other diseases, far as I know. I'm happy to go back to life as pre coro

eventually, everyone will copy sweden and move on as it was a year ago, but its bitter and humiliating for politicians around the world to admit they committed high treason on their own coun

Not to mention that they have destroyed their countries' already fragile economies, that will need years to recover, if ever...

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2 hours ago, polpott said:

You get enough vitamin D from normal amounts of sunlight and a normal diet. Its been proved that, for most people,vitamin D supplements add nothing to you for Covid protection. Some people in the UK have been prosecuted for advertising vitamin D supplements as a prevention for Covid.

I agree that supplements are pretty useless but natural sources of vitamins are more readily absorbed, but it is known that vitamin D varies quite substantially in people and the role it plays in the immune response is not well understood and I would also add that Somtam has not been proven to be ineffective against Covid and nor has the foul smelling "old fish" sauce been discounted as a natural defence against Covid and statistically speaking just about everyone in Isaan and Lao lives on the stuff and as I mentioned it's a strange correlation between the numbers of reported deaths of Covid and Somtam and fish sauce consuming populations,but then it might just be the way they test very little,but then you have Japan which tests a lot yet have low numbers but eat lots of fish sauce and fish.Indonesia has more than 3 times the population of the UK but less than 1/3 of the number of deaths.Something fishy is going on with this virus  business.Interested to see any proof vitamin D supplements offer no protection for "most" people which seems to suggest that it does offer protection for "some" people and does the proof indicate which people do get protection from vitamin D supplements?

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6 hours ago, polpott said:

Again untrue. It caused major fear and panic. Plenty of info on the internet.

 

Still very different from today's world where everyone knows exactly whats going on on the other side of the world.   

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22 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

New Zealand has had a highly successful lockdown. They have had a little flare up of 25 cases today which they should be able to target through tracing and get the numbers back down. If they had no lockdown who knows where they'd be. Likely a lot worse than 27 deaths. 

New Zealand is an island country,  with low population compared to crowded European cities etc, and most people supported a tough lockdown so it worked.

I guess you don't actually know what is going on in NZ except what the Ardern loving media tells you.

If they couldn't stop the virus by closing the airport I'd be very surprised, but unfortunately, despite having over 6 months to sort out quarantine they blew it with people still absconding.

 

Tracing- lol. Despite having 6 months to sort it they did nothing except an app, whatever that is, that is only for people with those expensive phones. The rest of us had to sign in on paper, and since level 1 started I'd be surprised if more than a few sign the bit of paper so, so much for the 25 cases "today".

 

most people supported a tough lockdown so it worked.

:whistling:

Even the minister of health didn't conform to the lockdown rules. He wasn't alone.

 

Problem NZ has now, is that there are about 5 million people that have no immunity, and soon as they have people coming in without 2 week quarantine what do you think is going to happen?

 

 

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8 hours ago, PatrickC said:

I heard on BBC News that if Covid had killed as bigger portion of the population as Spanish flu now, 230 million would be dead, not 1 million.

 

How are lockdowns possibly justified again?

 

This is a serious illness but we're not talking end of species - not even close. Time to move on, open everything up, and what will be will be.

 

We need to ignore the hysteria on twitter.

Read this and become educated.  You're totally missing the point.  But yes, 1 million dead now is not a big deal.  I'm sure the relatives of those who've passed would agree with you.😝

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/21523259/wisconsin-covid-coronavirus-cases-tony-evers-trump-democrats-republicans?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Sentences 102320&utm_content=Sentences 102320+CID_45516406c804bf721d7603de546766c9&utm_source=cm_email&utm_term=How pandemic fatigue and polarization led to Wisconsins massive Covid-19 outbreak

 

How pandemic fatigue and polarization led to Wisconsin’s massive Covid-19 outbreak

Wisconsin’s coronavirus cases have skyrocketed. Here’s why.

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11 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/business/economy/economy-coronavirus-lockdown-iowa.html

 

 

Iowa Never Locked Down. Its Economy Is Struggling Anyway.

President Trump has blamed Democratic officials’ rules for impeding the recovery. But even where restrictions are few, business is far from normal.

 

Even if there is no lockdown, if the population does not feel safe when in public places, then the economy will suffer anyway. So the impression of competence in government response is crucial.

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12 hours ago, placnx said:

Even if there is no lockdown, if the population does not feel safe when in public places, then the economy will suffer anyway. So the impression of competence in government response is crucial.

Exactly. That's what many covid19 deniers harp on about.  Lockdowns are just one part of the solution.  Not the only one.  Until the virus is under control, things won't get back to normal.

 

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On 10/16/2020 at 5:07 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Not like a regular flu at all. They want masks and distancing to be permanent. None of that happened for regular flu or any other diseases, far as I know.

I'm happy to go back to life as pre corona and take my chances, even though I'm over 70 and not particularly healthy.

You're right, it is not like the flu. The flu most people get and they actually get sick and feel bad. 

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26 minutes ago, PatrickC said:

Lockdown supporters are generally liberal middle classes who can work from home and could not care less about the working classes who are the ones truly suffering from lockdowns. It is shameful.

Lockdown supporters are generally medical experts and those who accept science.  Those against it are covid deniers.

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On 10/23/2020 at 1:00 PM, Fat is a type of crazy said:

I risk getting boring with quoting New Zealand figures but as Jeffr2 pointed out..it is what it is. Being from Australia I am not up to date with every step in what happened, but to point out that a small number including the health minister, did the wrong thing, is not to take away from the fact that your Prime Minister showed strong leadership, and got the job done. The election results last week show the degree of her popularity. 

If you are suggesting herd immunity was a better outcome that shows a disregard for the lives of other New Zealanders.

You are open to most of  Australia now, which has few cases, so it shouldn't be an issue and I'm sure she'll open up to other countries when the time is right. Keeping your people safe, until a vaccine, is something New Zealanders and Australians can be proud of.

Sorry NZ is not open to any of Australia and has not been at any stage since March. Ardern has stated that there is no intention to open the border before a vaccine. A two travel bubble has been mooted, at the moment it is some one way, NZ can come to some Australian states. The problem for NZ is her stated long term strategy is elimination of the virus, Australia has opted for suppression, supposedly. Even though it might look the same, Australia says it will live with a few cases and suppress every outbreak. Australian state Premiers might not be totally on board with this, and thats a problem. NZ cant open the travel bubble and risk it according to Ardern. In Melbourne today was the long awaited day to reduce restrictions and open businesses. They had reached the long stated target of 5 cases per day average. No, the Premier says, still too dangerous. The political flak this week is going to be intense and so it should be. 

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